Originally posted by darthgoober
Wrong. Keeper is a Surfer from a different reality, but Uni-Lord was 616 Surfer.
What extra gadget did Unilord have as I have never read about him in a comic. The Keeper had the Quantum bands. If I want to cross Supes with another character I guess I could say Prime with the GL ring. Let's be honest the Keeper is not really the Surfer it's the Surfer plus Quasars abilities. Sundipped is still Superman unless we add Kismet to the mix which I wasn't.
Originally posted by Zebedee
What extra gadget did Unilord have as I have never read about him in a comic. The Keeper had the Quantum bands. If I want to cross Supes with another character I guess I could say Prime with the GL ring. Let's be honest the Keeper is not really the Surfer it's the Surfer plus Quasars abilities. Sundipped is still Superman unless we add Kismet to the mix which I wasn't.
As for Uni-Lord, that was when he absorbed enough energy to match another universe's version of Eternity and is as valid as sundipped Supes.
Originally posted by darthgoober
The Keeper is just as valid to 616 Surfer as versions like Pre-Crisis Superman are to current Supes. And Keeper was MUCH more than just Surfer+Quasar.As for Uni-Lord, that was when he absorbed enough energy to match another universe's version of Eternity and is as valid as sundipped Supes.
The keeper got a synergistic affect out of having the quantum bands that is true, but it was the addition of Quantum bands that made him the keeper.
Unilord I know nothing about, I never read the comics with him in.
Originally posted by Zebedee
The keeper got a synergistic affect out of having the quantum bands that is true, but it was the addition of Quantum bands that made him the keeper.
Originally posted by Zebedee
Unilord I know nothing about, I never read the comics with him in.
Originally posted by darthgoober
I never said any differently. I just said that if you're going to base your opinion off of versions of Supes for alternate realities, then the same consideration has to be taken for Surfer. If All Star Supes and the rest are viable evidence for Supes being more powerful, then Keeper is viable evidence for Surfer being more powerful.Well as I said, he matched power with an Eternity level being, which is significantly more power than Supes gets through sundipping.
The Keeper is really little difference to the sunergistic power Superman Prime(The Original) got from the GL ring with his Super will.
I cannot comment on Uni Lord. Was it continuity. I read a couple of times on the web no.
Originally posted by steverules
I don't remember surfer being beaten by Thor.
The first time SS lost to Thor, however, I say was wrong. First of all, Surfer was at a mere fraction of his original power. Secondly, he was fighting Thor on Thor's home turf; and lastly: there is a moment in the fight when Surfer could've finished Thor off but didn't. Instead, he paused to monologue, allowing Thor to crawl (that's right, crawl) back to retrieve his hammer.
Surfer against Superman would be a helluva fight (ie, where SS does Not exploit any of Supes' weaknesses). Going toe-to-toe, Surfer loses. But Surfer has overall power + versatility.
Surfer 5/10; 6/10 at best (with weakness exploitation: 9/10).
Well your forgetting the fact that supes is fast and stronger then surfer, surfer wouldnt be able to exploit any weakness considering his head would be punched off before he even has a chance to think. Not to mention supes could just sundip to the point where he wouldnt be effected by that green rock.
Originally posted by Zebedee
The Keeper is really little difference to the sunergistic power Superman Prime(The Original) got from the GL ring with his Super will.I cannot comment on Uni Lord. Was it continuity. I read a couple of times on the web no.
Basically, what this all comes down to is that there's NOTHING to suggest that standard Supes is more powerful than standard Surfer.
Originally posted by The Great Galen
Well your forgetting the fact that supes is fast and stronger then surfer, surfer wouldnt be able to exploit any weakness considering his head would be punched off before he even has a chance to think. Not to mention supes could just sundip to the point where he wouldnt be effected by that green rock.
Originally posted by darthgoober
I've seen nothing to suggest the Uni Lord saga isn't canon, which means that it's still just as valid as Supes sundipping in that both use energy absorption to increase their power levels far beyond their baseline.
Physically I would disagree, but it's all about opinion.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Oh I have no problem admitting that Supes is STRONGER, but that's about it overall and Surfer's blast have shown more power than Supes HV and that more than makes up for the strength difference.
Not really as I stated power has a specific Scientific meaning. The power cosmic is more powerful than baseline Supes, The Surfer isn't. The Surfer may have more energy though.
Originally posted by Zebedee
Not really as I stated power has a specific Scientific meaning. The power cosmic is more powerful than baseline Supes, The Surfer isn't. The Surfer may have more energy though.
Re: I think Superman is more powerful than the Silver Surfer
Originally posted by Zebedee
I'm not saying he'd win in battle as he has some weaknesses the Surfer could exploit. I just think he has greater overall power.
Originally posted by darthgoober
What the Hell are you talking about? The Power Cosmic is PART of Surfer so why are you trying to separate them? If you're asking who's STRONGER than the answer is Supes. If you're asking who's more powerful OVERALL(which is what you said in your first post), then the answer is Surfer.
Actually it's debateable if the power cosmic is part of him. In the Hulk Troyjan War Arc, Traumas dad is able to as he calls it "open the door to the Surfer Channelling the Power Cosmic", and cause him to channel more than he can cope with. Now this seems to conflict with what you told me about Unilord so, who really knows.
Originally posted by Zebedee
Actually it's debateable if the power cosmic is part of him. In the Hulk Troyjan War Arc, Traumas dad is able to as he calls it "open the door to the Surfer Channelling the Power Cosmic", and cause him to channel more than he can cope with. Now this seems to conflict with what you told me about Unilord so, who really knows.
And I guess you didn't ask(so that part's my bad), but overall power IS what you where talking about in the first post. And Surfer is overall, the more powerful of the two characters.
Originally posted by darthgoober
How is it debatable whether or not the Power Cosmic is part of Surfer? That's like saying that it's debatable whether or not Supes solar energy reserves are part of him.And I guess you didn't ask(so that part's my bad), but overall power IS what you where talking about in the first post. And Surfer is overall, the more powerful of the two characters.
Supes stores it the Surfer may just channel it. If the power is not stored in him as the Troyjan War indicates. He is not as powerful as Supes in himself. The Power Cosmic is a greater energy Source.
Originally posted by Zebedee
Supes stores it the Surfer may just channel it. If the power is not stored in him as the Troyjan War indicates. He is not as powerful as Supes in himself. The Power Cosmic is a greater energy Source.
http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/8125/silversurfervol3012yp3.jpg
These two are most definitely peers in power, whether or not you think one is more powerful than the other. That much can't be denied.
However, slight edge to Superman if they were to fight considering the man is more battle oriented, and his top feats are against extremely powerful opponents in fights (with some exceptions). Surfer's top feats are usually done outside of battle (again, with some exceptions).
Surfer is unquestionably more versatile though.
Regardless, these two fighting each other would most definitely be an awesome spectacle.
Originally posted by darthgoober
The Power Cosmic IS stored within Surfer. He can channel more power from space and other outside sources if necessary, but the Power Cosmic is HIS...http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/8125/silversurfervol3012yp3.jpg
You see that's very similar to what he said to Armaggedon, Traumas dad. To which Armageddon said he didn't believe he was telling the truth and slapped him by openining his channel wide. Hulk 416 no I don't have a scan.
Originally posted by Zebedee
You see that's very similar to what he said to Armaggedon, Traumas dad. To which Armageddon said he didn't believe he was telling the truth and slapped him by openining his channel wide. Hulk 416 no I don't have a scan.
And the Power Cosmic is actually one of the basic building blocks of the Universe. NO ONE possess it in it's entirety, not even Galactus. But a significant portion is stored within the Silver Surfer. Taking that away for the purpose of this thread is no different than taking away the solar energy that's already stored in Supes system(effectively rendering him powerless) 😬 .
