Emma Frost v.s. Storm

Look ex cloak the rest of it proves storm was able to fight emma off and kick ass. If storm was knock out plus fall from the sky and was able to get right back up before emma and stop her before Emma reach her complete diamond form then there is no way in hell that Emma can win any match against Storm. You keep saying tp is faster but it sure as hell isn't working in this match so it doesn't matter and you say if emma had reached her diamond form the match would havve been over but as you see it takes emma longer time to change into her diamond form then it takes storm to react. Plus if she did reach her diamond form emma could have chopped her in the skull because either A. storm would have blow her away or B. she would have done the spinn like a tornado thing to move back or C. She would have just flew out of the way I don't think it would take storm longer to move out the way since she can use her winds to fly at subsonic speeds.

Originally posted by RisingStorm
That's the point. SHe changed herself because she can't fight Storm if she's on her human form.

And Storm can electocute anyone, even on their phased form (like Shadowcat, Shaw) how much can a solid object withstand? It;s not like she has super healing factor, and oh yeah, super reaction time...

Firstly her telepathy has been shown to work in her Diamond Form now and that power is activated by a thought.
When Emma Psi-blasted Storm for the first time in their most recent fight and knocked Storm out of the sky, she states that she's going to change into Diamond Form and then back to human form and continue with her Psi-Assault. So I don't know where you got that idea from that she can't take on Storm in her human form. However she didn't do that, after pile driving Storm into the snow, Emma decided to alter Storms behaviour.
This is obviously a badly written fight, again had Emma karate chopped Storms skull instead of pile drived her into the snow, the match would have been over before they hit the ground.

BTW Diamond is a very, very good conductor of heat and a very poor conductor of electricity. Plus Emma feels no pain in her diamond form and is immune from fatigue, hunger and thirst.

And since when has Shaw phased? And when did Storm electrocute Kitty in her phased form?

She's been doing this all her life, and she can cause lightning with barely a thought, and targeting is just half of a heartbeat to her. Targetting is just an option to her. She demonstrated to blow up like an electrical field or something to kill off a bunch of Sentinels, she can release a tempest that won't require her to target anyone, bang! Emma is hit. Bye.

You're exaggerating Storms lightning. On panel it takes a little more time to produce lightning. Telepathy on panel has been shown to work a notch faster. Not to mention that Emma has never been knocked out by an angry Storms lightning.

Emma can also change into her diamond form with a thought.

Emma won because of expertise on her powers. LIke how Storm beat her because of the wise use of her God-given abilities. This is not a battle of raw power, this is a battle with strategy. Come on, why do you think Storm has been winning all this time? Like it or not, 5 instances can back up Storm's victory, and people still insist this? Come on...

5 instances? I recall 3 unless you're including Emma's cheap win in X4. Emma won one, Storm won one and they stalemated in their most recent fight.

And it's not like Rachel's all solid. She's powerful, yes, but no where near her potential yet. Emma's been doing it all her life, just like Storm. And they faced off several times. And Storm won most of the time.

They've fought 3 times and it's a tie. Unless you're counting X4.

*sigh* AGAIN. You people make it look like telepathy attack is going to be easy while facing Storm on a first try, she has electrical interference on her brain. That's going to take time. Her lightning isn't though.

It will take the same amount of time to take out Storm aas it does in the comics which is not long. Especially when Storm has been unable to summon an attack while she's been Psi-fried.

Originally posted by ddsmrt
Look ex cloak the rest of it proves storm was able to fight emma off and kick ass. If storm was knock out plus fall from the sky and was able to get right back up before emma and stop her before Emma reach her complete diamond form then there is no way in hell that Emma can win any match against Storm. You keep saying tp is faster but it sure as hell isn't working in this match so it doesn't matter and you say if emma had reached her diamond form the match would havve been over but as you see it takes emma longer time to change into her diamond form then it takes storm to react. Plus if she did reach her diamond form emma could have chopped her in the skull because either A. storm would have blow her away or B. she would have done the spinn like a tornado thing to move back or C. She would have just flew out of the way I don't think it would take storm longer to move out the way since she can use her winds to fly at subsonic speeds.

Emma did access her diamond form in that battle and she did pile drive Storm into the snow with her diamond form. So I don't know what you're trying to get at. Storm was unable to access her powers when Emma fried her that's why she fell from the sky. Again had Emma slapped her on the back of the head instead of piledriving her into snow the match would have been over.
And Storm wouldn't have been able to do those thinks because she was unable to access her powers, that's why she fell.

Again if you want Emma can go into Diamond Form, and then take down Storm with a Psi-blast or Psi-Force Bolt as shown in the comics.

Additional dialogue courtesy of Scream.

Let's take a moment to assess this fight if you will. Emma attacks Storm with a psi-blast, Storm can't utilise her powers they both fall from the sky. At this point Emma has two options to easily win.

A) Remain in diamond form and whack her over the head.
B) Return to human form and continue psi-blasting, or do a variety of telepathic effects which active resistance can serve no impediment.

What does she do? Try to alter Storm's mind and personality. Why? Claremont's jism boiled over? 😖 As noted by pr Claremont has always been enamoured with Storm. He was not going to let Emma beat her in a comic, and certainly not in Storm's own title.

P.S. I doubt Storm can electrocute Shadowcat when phased.

ExodusCloak and xmarksthespot pretty much said what i was going to in their posts, so i'm not going to repeat them, as it would be a tad wasteful... 😬

does anyone have proof that people with telepathy have superhuman reaction time? because that's what your basically insinuating. either way it's basically a double KO or storm wins. fight starts both react faster...though storm may react faster considering she has way more experience in fighting than emma...she's been doing it since she was 6 years old. storm sends lightning while emma sends a psi-bolt. emma is taken out by lightning...no questions asked...while it's debatable whether or not storm would ultimately be taken out. her electric field scrambles and messes with all telepathy and add that to her resistance...it's debatable. and don't bother bringing up emma's and storms first fight...and their most recent. both mental attacks were sneak attacks and storm didn't even know she was in a fight at the time. if you don't know your in a fight...how are you supposed to defend yourself? exactly...you can't. when storm knows that emma is going to attack her mind then well it's obvious that she'll be prepared and that's why it's debatable whether or not she;ll be taken out. so all in all fight ends with a double KO or storm winning.

Originally posted by stormfront13
does anyone have proof that people with telepathy have superhuman reaction time?

Originally posted by stormfront13
because that's what your basically insinuating. either way it's basically a double KO or storm wins.

Originally posted by stormfront13
fight starts both react faster...

Originally posted by stormfront13
though storm may react faster considering she has way more experience in fighting than emma...she's been doing it since she was 6 years old.

Originally posted by stormfront13
storm sends lightning while emma sends a psi-bolt.

Originally posted by stormfront13
emma is taken out by lightning...no questions asked...

Originally posted by stormfront13
while it's debatable whether or not storm would ultimately be taken out. her electric field scrambles and messes with all telepathy and add that to her resistance...it's debatable. and don't bother bringing up emma's and storms first fight...and their most recent. both mental attacks were sneak attacks and storm didn't even know she was in a fight at the time.

Originally posted by stormfront13
if you don't know your in a fight...how are you supposed to defend yourself? exactly...you can't.

Originally posted by stormfront13
when storm knows that emma is going to attack her mind then well it's obvious that she'll be prepared and that's why it's debatable whether or not she;ll be taken out. so all in all fight ends with a double KO or storm winning.

Originally posted by stormfront13
does anyone have proof that people with telepathy have superhuman reaction time? because that's what your basically insinuating. either way it's basically a double KO or storm wins. fight starts both react faster...though storm may react faster considering she has way more experience in fighting than emma...she's been doing it since she was 6 years old. storm sends lightning while emma sends a psi-bolt. emma is taken out by lightning...no questions asked...while it's debatable whether or not storm would ultimately be taken out. her electric field scrambles and messes with all telepathy and add that to her resistance...it's debatable. and don't bother bringing up emma's and storms first fight...and their most recent. both mental attacks were sneak attacks and storm didn't even know she was in a fight at the time. if you don't know your in a fight...how are you supposed to defend yourself? exactly...you can't. when storm knows that emma is going to attack her mind then well it's obvious that she'll be prepared and that's why it's debatable whether or not she;ll be taken out. so all in all fight ends with a double KO or storm winning.

I'm tired of repeating myself over and over. Not only did you neglect Emma's diamond form. But you neglected the fact that telepathy has been shown to cause effect faster on panel.
The electric field in Storms brain does not protect her from all forms of telepathy as shown on panel.
So nope Storm gets Psi-blasted and goes down as panel evidence has shown.

Frost.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
One doesn't need superhuman reaction times when one's attack is initiated and effected faster

your missing the point. emma reacts no faster than storm does which is what you keep insinuating. both fire off their attacks at the start of the fight. storm gets hit and has a very slim chance of staying conscious and emma gets hit and has no chance of staying conscious. that's why it's a double KO or storm staying conscious and having the win. it's more than likely going to be a double KO however. you see? storm has the slightest chance of not getting taken out and emma doesn't.

Storm had her powers when she was 6 despite pretty much all mutants gaining their powers in puberty?

you know what i meant. storm had been fighting without powers from the age of 6 to the age of twelve, and she was killing and defeating men triple her age, size, and strength. at the age of twelve, her powers emerged and she was fighting for life with her powers from that point on. this means that she has much more experience than emma at fighting which means she could possibly have faster reaction times.

The former occurs later than the latter.

proof?

If you don't have the powers to defend yourself how are you meant to defend yourself, oh you can't.

this statement would be true except the fact that storm does have the power to defend herself.

Not only did you neglect Emma's diamond form.

so what would you want her to do? take the time to turn to diamond allowing storm the time to put up a solid defense and make emma go to the defensive even more than her diamond form? or try and take storm out right away with a psi bolt?

But you neglected the fact that telepathy has been shown to cause effect faster on panel.

to shut down the mind of someone, the telepath must enter the brain and shut it down. both of those steps together take longer than the speed of thought.

The electric field in Storms brain does not protect her from all forms of telepathy as shown on panel.

no, actually it does. though storm first put it up to have the protection. in their most recent fight, storm was taken by surprise which means there was no electrical field.

Originally posted by stormfront13
your missing the point. emma reacts no faster than storm does which is what you keep insinuating. both fire off their attacks at the start of the fight. storm gets hit and has a very slim chance of staying conscious and emma gets hit and has no chance of staying conscious. that's why it's a double KO or storm staying conscious and having the win. it's more than likely going to be a double KO however. you see? storm has the slightest chance of not getting taken out and emma doesn't.

Originally posted by stormfront13
you know what i meant. storm had been fighting without powers from the age of 6 to the age of twelve, and she was killing and defeating men triple her age, size, and strength. at the age of twelve, her powers emerged and she was fighting for life with her powers from that point on. this means that she has much more experience than emma at fighting which means she could possibly have faster reaction times.

Originally posted by stormfront13
proof?

Originally posted by stormfront13
this statement would be true except the fact that storm does have the power to defend herself.

This is soo stupid.

We don't know how telepaths work. We never will.
It could be at the reaction of a thought, there are panels proving it is almost this fast.
On the other hand, there are pages of telepaths going through peoples minds.

If you could shut down someone at the speed of though, couldn't you read their being at the speed of thought?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
No I'm saying telepathy has a shorter latency and prevents Storm from using her powers. As shown on panel. Thus if both react equally Storm is screwed.

nope...storm can access her powers till the point where emma reaches in and prevents her from using them which by that time storm already would have done her attack so when emma uses a psi-bolt the lightning is already there to take her out.

She stabbed a man when she was a child. O, fear the mighty battle-hardened.

🙄 you obviously haven't read any of her mini-series when she was a child lol...

Emma learned the knowledge and skills in the use of telepathy of Astrid Bloom in a minute, and Astrid had been using her abilities since she was as young or younger than Storm. If she can learn all that in mere moments think how much she can and has learnt over her many years.

you do realize that telepaths can pass on knowlege like that in an instant don't you? meaning there is nhothing special about emma being ablke to understand things in mere seconds...that's just a thing that telepaths do. emma even did it to rachel.

If anything Emma is more experienced with her powers than Storm.

afraid it's the other way around...

Storm developed telepathy when?

you don't need telepathy to be resistant to telepathic attacks

Originally posted by stormfront13
nope...storm can access her powers till the point where emma reaches in and prevents her from using them which by that time storm already would have done her attack so when emma uses a psi-bolt the lightning is already there to take her out.

Originally posted by stormfront13
🙄 you obviously haven't read any of her mini-series when she was a child lol...

Originally posted by stormfront13
you do realize that telepaths can pass on knowlege like that in an instant don't you? meaning there is nhothing special about emma being ablke to understand things in mere seconds...that's just a thing that telepaths do. emma even did it to rachel.

Originally posted by stormfront13
afraid it's the other way around...

Originally posted by stormfront13
you don't need telepathy to be resistant to telepathic attacks

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Does she intend to fight Emma by hand, in which case she gets a facelift by way of diamond fist.

😆

You need telepathy to resist certain telepathic attacks.

i'd have thought that'd be common sense... 😕

Originally posted by stormfront13
[B]so what would you want her to do? take the time to turn to diamond allowing storm the time to put up a solid defense and make emma go to the defensive even more than her diamond form? or try and take storm out right away with a psi bolt?

Solid defence? Storm is not immune to telepathy. Telepathy in Diamond Form..

to shut down the mind of someone, the telepath must enter the brain and shut it down. both of those steps together take longer than the speed of thought.

You're forgetting that this tactic works both ways, it takes time to generate a bolt of lightning.
Think + Weather patterns have to move + speed of electron current in a dense medium. So like you said the action of generating the bolt of lightning is not instant.
Telepathy on panel has been shown on panel to work faster.

no, actually it does. though storm first put it up to have the protection. in their most recent fight, storm was taken by surprise which means there was no electrical field. [

You're assuming that and that has never been stated, the fact remains Storm has been taken out by psi blasts before.
She's resisted being ambushed by a Psionic Stab from the Morlocke telepath but she's never resisted Emma's Psi-Blast.

BTW Storm knew there was something wrong with Emma in X-treme. So it wasn't an ambush.

Who wins?

Emma convinces Ororo that she's a duck. Storm walks around flapping her arms saying:

*quack**quack**quack**quack**quack**quack**quack**quack*

Originally posted by #1110
Emma convinces Ororo that she's a duck. Storm walks around flapping her arms saying:

*quack**quack**quack**quack**quack**quack**quack**quack*

Originally posted by #1110
Emma convinces Ororo that she's a duck. Storm walks around flapping her arms saying:

*quack**quack**quack**quack**quack**quack**quack**quack*

Emma dies every single time.