Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Hahaha."Emo and punk have no connections.".
Yeah, you definitely don't know your punk history. Right now, you've got it as wrong as you possibly could. I'm not going to spell it out for yet another person because if I do, you won't learn anything by yourself.
-AC
"emo and punk have 'hardly' any connections" idiot.
ill find an emo band and a punk band and then you'll know the difference.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Hahaha."Emo and punk have no connections.".
Yeah, you definitely don't know your punk history. Right now, you've got it as wrong as you possibly could. I'm not going to spell it out for yet another person because if I do, you won't learn anything by yourself.
-AC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdSj0hMtmNs
^emo band
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLahs7yCprQ
punk band ^...you can understand what their saying
The funny part is, As I Lay Dying are a metal band. Even IF we were going by the wrong definition of "emo", they still wouldn't apply.
Either way, no, you're still wrong. Keep up the research, you'll get there eventually. To think, people popped off at me for calling you a musically uneducated 16 year old, but that is actually what you are. Especially when it comes to punk, a genre you claim to know about. I'm not "thinking" or acting like anything, you're just incorrect.
Not being able to understand the vocals does not make a band "emo", in either the true sense or the fake sense of the term.
Nice multiple post, by the way.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
The funny part is, As I Lay Dying are a metal band. Even IF we were going by the wrong definition of "emo", they still wouldn't apply.Either way, no, you're still wrong. Keep up the research, you'll get there eventually. To think, people popped off at me for calling you a musically uneducated 16 year old, but that is actually what you are. Especially when it comes to punk, a genre you claim to know about. I'm not "thinking" or acting like anything, you're just incorrect.
Not being able to understand the vocals does not make a band "emo", in either the true sense or the fake sense of the term.
Nice multiple post, by the way.
-AC
i am a musically uneducated 16 year old, i didnt choose music as a gcse and i didnt really get really into music until i was 13. also every discussion with you is always about you knowing more than the other person at music. you have got to be the most pompous, big headed guy in these forums.
everyoe who goes to the local gigs call them emo gigs. you do not know anything about the music where i live so stop thinking you do
Originally posted by the welsh one
i am a musically uneducated 16 year old, i didnt choose music as a gcse and i didnt really get really into music until i was 13. also every discussion with you is always about you knowing more than the other person at music. you have got to be the most pompous, big headed guy in these forums.everyoe who goes to the local gigs call them emo gigs. you do not know anything about the music where i live so stop thinking you do
It's not ABOUT me knowing more, YOU are the one bringing that up. You came on here claiming you knew about punk, citing Blink 182 as one of your favourite punk bands, and now you're proving you know nothing of the history. If you hadn't come on here acting like the cock of the walk when you have zero substance to back it up, I perhaps would have said "If you look here, and here, you can get more info on its history, cos you're not quite right.". If you act childish, I'll treat you childish, I think that's fair.
It's not about someone knowing more, it's just about you being incorrect. Nothing personal at all.
I don't NEED to know what the music scene is where you live, because you've shown me what you consider to be emo, and if you truly knew your punk history you'd not be saying that bands like the one you just posted, are emo bands.
Again, nothing personal, you just need to brush up on the research. You're still young, we were all young once, but still, no excuse for ignorance.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
It's not ABOUT me knowing more, YOU are the one bringing that up. You came on here claiming you knew about punk, citing Blink 182 as one of your favourite punk bands, and now you're proving you know nothing of the history. If you hadn't come on here acting like the cock of the walk when you have zero substance to back it up, I perhaps would have said "If you look here, and here, you can get more info on its history, cos you're not quite right.". If you act childish, I'll treat you childish, I think that's fair.It's not about someone knowing more, it's just about you being incorrect. Nothing personal at all.
I don't NEED to know what the music scene is where you live, because you've shown me what you consider to be emo, and if you truly knew your punk history you'd not be saying that bands like the one you just posted, are emo bands.
Again, nothing personal, you just need to brush up on the research. You're still young, we were all young once, but still, no excuse for ignorance.
-AC
i did not come on here saying i knew everything about punk at all. i made a thread called punk, im a fan of punk music i think its sound is awesome, don't know a lot about the queers but i say im a fan of them. i came on this thread to say that rock in my area is dead, thats what this thread is for.
also what does the history of punk have to do with emo? some hardcore punk can be described emo-ish i guess.
ye hopefully as i get older ill know more about music but you dont know everything
Originally posted by the welsh one
also what does the history of punk have to do with emo? some hardcore punk can be described emo-ish i guess.ye hopefully as i get older ill know more about music but you dont know everything
No, you're still wrong really. I can tell that in between posts you go off and websearch things, then come back and act like you're the one saying it, but at least you're learning.
Emo comes from the term, emo-core, which comes from emotive hardcore, which was a direct offshoot of hardcore punk. A DIRECT offshoot, as far back as the 80s. It was very much a punk genre, so you can go ahead and retract the statement that said "There are nearly no connections.". True emo exists because of punk.
And no, nobody knows everything.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
No, you're still wrong really. I can tell that in between posts you go off and websearch things, then come back and act like you're the one saying it, but at least you're learning.Emo comes from the term, emo-core, which comes from emotive hardcore, which was a direct offshoot of hardcore punk. A DIRECT offshoot, as far back as the 80s. It was very much a punk genre, so you can go ahead and retract the statement that said "There are nearly no connections.". True emo exists because of punk.
And no, nobody knows everything.
-AC
i havent been going on the web, i had some food, talked to people on msn and went into other forums
whats the music scene like where you live? is rock dead?
Originally posted by wicker_man🍺 ✅ ✅
At the end of the day Rocks' fan-base (and its sheer loyalty and enthusiasm) will make it a genre that's not only alive and kicking (which means it AIN'T dying) but also one of the healthiest genres going - even if you don't see it on MTV or hear it on Radio One.
I'd much rather have the rock we have now, than having some rubbish Guns n Roses, reincarnate tripe. There are loads of innovative, brilliant rock bands out there, you just have to look. If you're waiting for this kind of rock to just pop up in the charts, then you have no reason to complain, because that shows no respect for the genre.
Originally posted by chillmeistergen... I said multiple times that I do look and I know many obscure rock bands that I like these days. However, there is little to no innovation. I'm not saying there isn't a lot of creativity. I am saying there is little originality.
I'd much rather have the rock we have now, than having some rubbish Guns n Roses, reincarnate tripe. There are loads of innovative, brilliant rock bands out there, you just have to look. If you're waiting for this kind of rock to just pop up in the charts, then you have no reason to complain, because that shows no respect for the genre.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You do realise that:A) People here haven't necessarily made that claim.
B) It's not as easy as naming band A and band B.
C) This is entirely based on your perception of rock and what constitutes freshness.
-AC
B) You'd think that if someone was actually inventing and innovating, someone would be able to name at least one of those.
C) Originality and innovation can measured fairly objectively. Whether or not it is good is subjective.
Originally posted by Nellinator
... I said multiple times that I do look and I know many obscure rock bands that I like these days. However, there is little to no innovation. I'm not saying there isn't a lot of creativity. I am saying there is little originality.
You most certainly don't know all obscure and upcoming bands. It really does depend where you look, I've found some of the best bands I've got in my library in the past year, and they're from the past 10 years.
Rock is not dying and that's a fact. If you actually went out there, as opposed to sitting behind your computers typing all this well frankly bollocks then you'd know it's alive and kicking with tonnes and tonnes of (new) bands ready to ram this pretentious crap back down your throats. I'd rather get out their and make judgements for myself on the music scene (which I do pretty much every other weekend) then listening to a bunch of hotheads use run-of-the-mill Internet banter.
Originally posted by chillmeistergenObviously I can't know them all, but I do know many, from many different styles of rock from many different areas. And once again I'll say that yes there are many good ones, but I have yet to see an example of true originality.
You most certainly don't know all obscure and upcoming bands. It really does depend where you look, I've found some of the best bands I've got in my library in the past year, and they're from the past 10 years.
Originally posted by wicker_manDo you understand what I mean by dying? It would seem not. You also make the assumption that I am not out checking out music scenes, which is also incorrect because I am. Furthermore, I will reiterate that I am not saying that there aren't good bands. You seem confident of your initial statement. Why is it that you haven't backed it up with evidence?
Rock is not dying and that's a fact. If you actually went out there, as opposed to sitting behind your computers typing all this well frankly bollocks then you'd know it's alive and kicking with tonnes and tonnes of (new) bands ready to ram this pretentious crap back down your throats. I'd rather get out their and make judgements for myself on the music scene (which I do pretty much every other weekend) then listening to a bunch of hotheads use run-of-the-mill Internet banter.