Is rock dead and/or dying?

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Not by choice, maybe.

Worked? For you, yes. Rush have "worked" for three decades, Killing Joke, Prince etc. The point is, no matter what longevity you have, popularity is what keeps you on the charts, usually. Prince has made music that is accessible also, therefore eligible not only for music "die hards", but people who don't really care and just want to dance. He has changed, by choice, with the times.

You couldn't play Ratt and be taken seriously. That music was not like Prince, Killing Joke, Rush etc, they were artists who came BEFORE the 80s and just happened to have prominence there. Hair metal and such was very much of its time. It wasn't meant to last.

Because Creed are popular, they have a sound that is current, that the people who control the mainstream charts NOW, are into. Ratt did the same back in the day, and it doesn't mean they were good. For some, 80s was the "worst" of all musical eras.

Your taste was best suited for that time, and unfortunately for you, the bands you like were of the moment.

-AC

Yeah... I really kinda wish I was 15 in 1984 instead of 2007 🙁 ... I love the technological advances, and the people I'm around (especially this one girl, but I'm not going into that), but my musical tastes are about 23 years old... I even have a semi mullet!

I know I must have not come when I should have when my favorite Prince song is ALSO from the 80s (When the Doves Cry)

Man I missed out...

Anyway, I think a small hair revival (without spandex, but keep the sound and music) would be good for rock, to mix it up a little. It doesn't have to and won't get as big as it was, but let it at least resurface as a respected genre, that doesn't get mocked... (I might make a poll about that, so stay tuned everyone)

Originally posted by Bat Dude
Yeah... I really kinda wish I was 15 in 1984 instead of 2007 🙁 ... I love the technological advances, and the people I'm around (especially this one girl, but I'm not going into that), but my musical tastes are about 23 years old... I even have a semi mullet!

I know I must have not come when I should have when my favorite Prince song is ALSO from the 80s (When the Doves Cry)

Man I missed out...

Anyway, I think a small hair revival (without spandex, but keep the sound and music) would be good for rock, to mix it up a little. It doesn't have to and won't get as big as it was, but let it at least resurface as a respected genre, that doesn't get mocked... (I might make a poll about that, so stay tuned everyone)

You do realise that this is next to impossible.

"Hair metal" was mocked during the time when it was most popular, it was a genre of its time, it really has no place now.

The music still exists, so go look for it.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You do realise that this is next to impossible.

"Hair metal" was mocked during the time when it was most popular, it was a genre of its time, it really has no place now.

The music still exists, so go look for it.

-AC

Well, not exactly...

I do agree that hair metal as it used to be has no place in today's world, but with some tweaks here and there to make it less of a formula and less of an appearance based genre, I think that the basic "uplifting, good times" music would actually help out in this seemingly hopeless time...

Yeah, but what I mean is new, original songs by new, original bands... New blood is always good for a genre (like how the European bands pretty much kept metal alive through the grunge years)... The only truly new "hair" stuff is glam rock band The Darkness (not really hair metal, but close)

Like I said, if I had the ability, I'd be making a band as we speak, but I just don't... So I'm really just putting an idea out there for anyone who wants it (which I assume is no one?)

Originally posted by Bat Dude
Well, not exactly...

I do agree that hair metal as it used to be has no place in today's world, but with some tweaks here and there to make it less of a formula and less of an appearance based genre, I think that the basic "uplifting, good times" music would actually help out in this seemingly hopeless time...

Yeah, those are called power ballads. No thank you.

This time isn't "hopeless", to me. I've had more or less 4/5 straight years of awesome music coming out.

Originally posted by Bat Dude
Yeah, but what I mean is new, original songs by new, original bands... New blood is always good for a genre (like how the European bands pretty much kept metal alive through the grunge years)... The only truly new "hair" stuff is glam rock band The Darkness (not really hair metal, but close)

Yeah, I knew about The Darkness before most people, even in my own country. That said, they were never glam rock or hair anything. They were a rock band having fun, that's all.

You have gone from wanting Ratt and Dokken-esque bands on the radio to just wanting new blood, which will always exist. You just want it to cater to you, and you don't get that choice. New bands probably won't want to sound like Ratt, thankfully.

Originally posted by Bat Dude
Like I said, if I had the ability, I'd be making a band as we speak, but I just don't... So I'm really just putting an idea out there for anyone who wants it (which I assume is no one?)

One of the main reasons G'n'R are/were so loved is because they ended that shit, and even THAT style is dead now, mainstream-wise.

-AC

those bands were of their time so itd be great if a new sound came about

something completely original

Originally posted by Bat Dude
Like I said, if I had the ability, I'd be making a band as we speak, but I just don't... So I'm really just putting an idea out there for anyone who wants it (which I assume is no one?)

dude, thats exactly what im doing

me and a mate talked about the modern music scene not being as good as it once was and i decided to buy a guitar and iv been pratisin for about a month now

but hopefully next week my other mate will teach me some more stuff

and you should get a guitar or drums too! you say you have no musical talent, neither did i but im doing everything possible to be the guy that knows everything about music and become a good guitarist

ROCK 'N' ROLL!!!

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Read, probably.

It's just a discussion, chill.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Yeah, those are called power ballads. No thank you.

This time isn't "hopeless", to me. I've had more or less 4/5 straight years of awesome music coming out.

Yeah, I knew about The Darkness before most people, even in my own country. That said, they were never glam rock or hair anything. They were a rock band having fun, that's all.

You have gone from wanting Ratt and Dokken-esque bands on the radio to just wanting new blood, which will always exist. You just want it to cater to you, and you don't get that choice. New bands probably won't want to sound like Ratt, thankfully.

One of the main reasons G'n'R are/were so loved is because they ended that shit, and even THAT style is dead now, mainstream-wise.

-AC

Actually, power ballads aren't that bad, SOME, that is... They're even better when you've got a girl on your arm...

But that's not exactly what I meant... What I meant by "uplifting, good times" music is the rock anthems they used to make (examples: Round and Round, Shout at the Devil, etc.)...

Actually, more new hair metal blood on the radio... (It'd be nice, so I don't have to spend half my money on a CD just to listen to it)

I always considered GNR as a sorta subcategory of hair metal, called sleaze rock (same with L.A. Guns, Shotgun Messiah, etc.) So the only thing that was different was they had different influences and sounded a little differently, but everything else (basic concept, etc.) was very much the same...

And @ the welsh one, I can hardly afford CDs, how could I buy a guitar? The only way I'd be in a band is by being vocals... I'm ok at vocals, but put a guitar in front of me and I'd have absolutely no clue...

practise?

Originally posted by Bat Dude
Actually, power ballads aren't that bad, SOME, that is... They're even better when you've got a girl on your arm...

I always considered GNR as a sorta subcategory of hair metal,
.

there isnt anything wrong with power ballads when they are good. Power ballads have a stigma of being connected to hair bands or mainstream rock. This most certainly is not the case. Most all rock bands have a power ballad of some kind. Power ballads are not just love songs.

You are right, GnR most certainly was a hair band. They just happened to come on the scene during the end of glam rock. there is no two ways about it. GnR certainly fit the MO of an arena band. Thanks to Metallica a band could have long hair and not be considered a "hair band" as the frequently openly bashed glam rock

Originally posted by Bat Dude
Actually, power ballads aren't that bad, SOME, that is... They're even better when you've got a girl on your arm...

No thanks.

Originally posted by Bat Dude
But that's not exactly what I meant... What I meant by "uplifting, good times" music is the rock anthems they used to make (examples: Round and Round, Shout at the Devil, etc.)...

Like I told you, those were of the time. Things change. Before that era, there was obviously something that got replaced, it's called change, and the era YOU liked is one I'm quite glad to see gone.

Originally posted by Bat Dude
Actually, more new hair metal blood on the radio... (It'd be nice, so I don't have to spend half my money on a CD just to listen to it)

Nah, you're just lazy. Too lazy to look.

It's a remarkably silly idea to want a re-emergence of a certain style just so you don't have to buy it. It's not practical and it is never, ever going to happen with so-called "hair metal". Thankfully.

Originally posted by Bat Dude
I always considered GNR as a sorta subcategory of hair metal, called sleaze rock (same with L.A. Guns, Shotgun Messiah, etc.) So the only thing that was different was they had different influences and sounded a little differently, but everything else (basic concept, etc.) was very much the same...

Sleaze rock is not a genre. They were a rock band, and my point was not arguing the genre they were, it was showing you that if you're waiting for a re-emergence of "hair metal", you'll wait 'til you die.

Originally posted by Bat Dude
And @ the welsh one, I can hardly afford CDs, how could I buy a guitar? The only way I'd be in a band is by being vocals... I'm ok at vocals, but put a guitar in front of me and I'd have absolutely no clue...

Why can't you afford CDs?

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
No thanks.

Like I told you, those were of the time. Things change. Before that era, there was obviously something that got replaced, it's called change, and the era YOU liked is one I'm quite glad to see gone.

Nah, you're just lazy. Too lazy to look.

It's a remarkably silly idea to want a re-emergence of a certain style just so you don't have to buy it. It's not practical and it is never, ever going to happen with so-called "hair metal". Thankfully.

Sleaze rock is not a genre. They were a rock band, and my point was not arguing the genre they were, it was showing you that if you're waiting for a re-emergence of "hair metal", you'll wait 'til you die.

Why can't you afford CDs?

-AC

Are you serious? Not even when you're with that certain girl? (Or guy, which ever you guys prefer) It's your life and your opinion, but imo, I think that situation calls for a little "Fly to the Angels"...

Yeah, but 70s rock survived... It didn't really get replaced... It's like, you still hear 70s bands on the radio, but the second you attempt to put an 80s band on the radio, you get shot down...

That's weird... Then why do some web sites categorize them as such? Strange...

I can't afford CDs because every year, I get a very limited amount of money to use how I want, and I mean limited... And once that's used up, I can't ask my parents for some, cuz I want to retain independence (high school years, you know how they are)... If I find bands I like, then the money I get is usually spent on a compilation albums, because you get all their "best" songs in one CD... So, I guess I worded it wrong, it's not that I can't afford CDs, it's just I can't afford all the ones I'd like...

(And more and more that "band" idea is sounding kooler and kooler... Should I attempt it?)

Originally posted by Bat Dude
Are you serious? Not even when you're with that certain girl? (Or guy, which ever you guys prefer) It's your life and your opinion, but imo, I think that situation calls for a little "Fly to the Angels"...

Hahaha, no.

Originally posted by Bat Dude
Yeah, but 70s rock survived... It didn't really get replaced... It's like, you still hear 70s bands on the radio, but the second you attempt to put an 80s band on the radio, you get shot down...

Yeah, but Led Zeppelin were not "of" the time, neither were Rush or Prince. There would still be much room for Zeppelin style of music if they were still around, not for Ratt, because that really was a trend with a limited lifespan, like "grunge" or hardcore punk. It had its moment, and that's all it had.

Originally posted by Bat Dude
That's weird... Then why do some web sites categorize them as such? Strange...

Lots of sites catagorise bands as something they aren't.

Originally posted by Bat Dude
I can't afford CDs because every year, I get a very limited amount of money to use how I want, and I mean limited... And once that's used up, I can't ask my parents for some, cuz I want to retain independence (high school years, you know how they are)... If I find bands I like, then the money I get is usually spent on a compilation albums, because you get all their "best" songs in one CD... So, I guess I worded it wrong, it's not that I can't afford CDs, it's just I can't afford all the ones I'd like...

Best Ofs are very, VERY rarely the best songs by that band or person. Man, you really are lazy. No offense.

Originally posted by Bat Dude
(And more and more that "band" idea is sounding kooler and kooler... Should I attempt it?)

Do what you like.

If you're playing for fame then spare us.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Hahaha, no.

Yeah, but Led Zeppelin were not "of" the time, neither were Rush or Prince. There would still be much room for Zeppelin style of music if they were still around, not for Ratt, because that really was a trend with a limited lifespan, like "grunge" or hardcore punk. It had its moment, and that's all it had.

Lots of sites catagorise bands as something they aren't.

Best Ofs are very, VERY rarely the best songs by that band or person. Man, you really are lazy. No offense.

Do what you like.

If you're playing for fame then spare us.

-AC

None taken... I get that a lot...

Well, the reason I'd be playing is because if no one else is gonna release new hair metal, I might as well... (It certainly won't be popular, so fame is out of the question anyway) A blend of hair metal and thrash metal (weird combo, I know), and you've got something I can enjoy playing and listening to...

Anyway... No, that's about it...

Originally posted by Bat Dude
None taken... I get that a lot...

Well, the reason I'd be playing is because if no one else is gonna release new hair metal, I might as well... (It certainly won't be popular, so fame is out of the question anyway) A blend of hair metal and thrash metal (weird combo, I know), and you've got something I can enjoy playing and listening to...

Anyway... No, that's about it...

It shouldn't ever be about releasing music. It should be about you doing what you want, how you want to. For no other reason.

Your goal is hinged on people liking you enough to make you successful, which isn't artistry, that's fame-chasing. Even then, who is to say that people will like you AND like Ratt?

The Darkness were a GREAT band, musically, there were nothing more than a straight rock band, musically, who had fun. THEY caught enough stick, so can you honestly imagine what it will be like if you are trying to bring back "hair metal"?

-AC

Originally posted by Bat Dude
None taken... I get that a lot...

Well, the reason I'd be playing is because if no one else is gonna release new hair metal, I might as well... (It certainly won't be popular, so fame is out of the question anyway) A blend of hair metal and thrash metal (weird combo, I know), and you've got something I can enjoy playing and listening to...

Anyway... No, that's about it...

ye rock n roll man!!!

i consider compiliation albums with the 'best' songs do usually have the best songs, but thats opinion again

new led zepplin combilation album ('mothership'😉 due 12th november

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
It shouldn't ever be about releasing music. It should be about you doing what you want, how you want to. For no other reason.

Your goal is hinged on people liking you enough to make you successful, which isn't artistry, that's fame-chasing. Even then, who is to say that people will like you AND like Ratt?

The Darkness were a GREAT band, musically, there were nothing more than a straight rock band, musically, who had fun. THEY caught enough stick, so can you honestly imagine what it will be like if you are trying to bring back "hair metal"?

-AC

Only successful enough to get play on a minor radio station.... So I can listen to it, finally... 😄

While that may be "fame-chasing" (to get enough support to make it on a minor station), it's still done with the hope of being decent at what I do, and making music I like ... (Cuz that's the most important thing, imo)

And I think if people liked Ratt, they'd appreciate what the band would be doing... (Or they might not, that's their decision)

The Darkness is pretty kool, but that one song "I Believe in a Thing Called Love" is just too annoying to listen to... (imo, their worst song)

Anyway... No, that's about it...

Rock will never die, specially with the stones touring and showing what is rock and roll.

Rock is alive, but low on fuel I'd say. There are decent bands with ok songs, but nothing epic going on right now.

Originally posted by Bat Dude
Only successful enough to get play on a minor radio station.... So I can listen to it, finally... 😄

That makes the least sense of anything you've said.

You want to MAKE music YOURSELF, so it will hopefully get onto the radio...where you can listen to it? You've not thought this through, have you?

Originally posted by Bat Dude
While that may be "fame-chasing" (to get enough support to make it on a minor station), it's still done with the hope of being decent at what I do, and [B]making music I like ... (Cuz that's the most important thing, imo)[/b]

Exactly, so make music you like and enjoy it. Your argument has gone from ridiculous to insane.

You complain that it should be on the radio (Music you like) so you don't have you pay, but now you're saying YOU want to make music YOU like, so it can get on the radio and you can listen to it...for free. Why not just record it and listen to it? Really, really silly.

-AC