What "powerful" jedi or sith's shields has Bane broken through?
Qordis, Farfalla (jedi grandmaster) and Raskta. Admittedly only the first two are impressive, but still, the ease of which he did so to the numero uno jedi of the period and one of the top sith, in charge of the top academy speaks of the volume of his ability.
Besides, Vader has broken through the shields of the force sensitive clones, created from one of the emperor's hands.
Ohhhh wow! Excuse me while I feint with awe!! Vader's a beast!!
Vader also imploded the entire body of Mon Mothma's son.
And Bane destroyed the Rakatan temple, could liquidise bone with his FP's and turn his opponents to ash with his FL.
Did Bane actually vaporize metal as in turned it into a gas with tk? because i am having a hard time imagining that (not because it's Bane but because it's a push that heated metal enough to convert it into gas)
Well mabye I was exaggerating when I said 'vaporise', but it was the only word that I could think of that fit. He turns several technobeasts, comprised mainly of metal and bone into shards or small somethings. Damn, I need the post.... i'll have it for tommorow unless someone else will post it.
Again, Vader has force gripped Xizor, who was lightyears away. That shows a very great command of the force. One can even argue that this was the technique Palpatine was talking about in his book of anger, "Being able to crush cartlage from afar." That requires a very great command of the force.
This is why said that they were close in terms of TK. Clearly Vader shows some great displays just like Bane, but I would put Bane's showings in actual combat above Vaders in terms of lethality. To be sure, I doubt that Vader can slice through Bane's Fshield enough to use force choke and with the orbalisks a FP won't do much. Opposingly, Bane's lightning would scare Vader sh*tless. And I know that he tanked Starkillers lightning, but Bane's lightning is quite a bit higher than SK's, in that it actually can vaporise his opponents.
Vader took blast after blast of Palpatine's lightning, and still managed to throw his down the reactor shaft. Palpatine's lightning is more powerful than Bane's, so i doubt Bane will easily take Vader out with lightning. Besides Vader still has his lightsaber.
Vader has done everything Bane has with TK and more. Vader has tore down a fortress, killed stor troopers with FP's, easily force crushed others with lightning, tore down a bridge, caught a heavy pillar in mid and redirected it, create powerful TK storms, and more. Can you tell me a time where Bane has ever force gripped someone lightyears away, or force choke someone who was not even in the same room; to me that alone raises Vader many levels in TK.
Vader took blast after blast of Palpatine's lightning, and still managed to throw his down the reactor shaft. Palpatine's lightning is more powerful than Bane's, so i doubt Bane will easily take Vader out with lightning.
Palpatine wasn't using his full power FL's. He was torturing Luke becuase he's a **** and wanted to have some fun and teach Luke that it isn't wise to throw away your lightsaber in front to a pissed Sith Lord. Sidious' full strength FL was enough to turn people to ash (just as Bane's is) so it's obvious he wasn't going all-out. And the lightning killed him anyway.
Besides Vader still has his lightsaber
Bane's lightning is described to have 'a dozen arcs' of electricity or something like that. Is Vader gonna catch them all on that slim blade?
Vader has tore down a fortress,
That was Luke. And if not please post the source.
killed stor troopers with FP's,
Bane can liquidise bone with his. That > killing some random guys.
easily force crushed others with lightning,
This doesn't make sense.
tore down a bridge, caught a heavy pillar in mid and redirected it,
Bane smashed the rakatan temple to the ground.
create powerful TK storms,
This is impressive in combat and mastery, but not in raw power. And it's not going to stop the much faster Bane from zapping him or beating him in saber's.
Can you tell me a time where Bane has ever force gripped someone lightyears away, or force choke someone who was not even in the same room; to me that alone raises Vader many levels in TK.
Again, this is impressive and speak's of raw power and mastery etc. the only problem is that Bane isn't lightyears away, he's right in front of him and he has the power and the source's to say that he could probably block at least the first attack and them move in to get the win.
glad to see we agree, he's defitnetly one of the best tk users ever.
Agreed. But one skill isn't enough to get the win here.
Originally posted by Ultimate VaderNo he isn't. Based on feats, that honor would go to Nihilus, with Yoda, Luke, and Galen taking the next three spots.
In other words, Vader is possibly the most powerful telekinetic user in history of SWU.
He's -one- of the best, but he isn't even in contention for the top spot.
Originally posted by Darth Exodus
Palpatine wasn't using his full power FL's. He was torturing Luke becuase he's a **** and wanted to have some fun and teach Luke that it isn't wise to throw away your lightsaber in front to a pissed Sith Lord. Sidious' full strength FL was enough to turn people to ash (just as Bane's is) so it's obvious he wasn't going all-out. And the lightning killed him anyway.Bane's lightning is described to have 'a dozen arcs' of electricity or something like that. Is Vader gonna catch them all on that slim blade?
That was Luke. And if not please post the source.
Bane can liquidise bone with his. That > killing some random guys.
This doesn't make sense.
Bane smashed the rakatan temple to the ground.
This is impressive in combat and mastery, but not in raw power. And it's not going to stop the much faster Bane from zapping him or beating him in saber's.
Again, this is impressive and speak's of raw power and mastery etc. the only problem is that Bane isn't lightyears away, he's right in front of him and he has the power and the source's to say that he could probably block [b]at least
the first attack and them move in to get the win.Agreed. But one skill isn't enough to get the win here. [/B]
I don't know why i wrote lightning lol. In TFU Vader crushed a fortress on kashyyyk.
I was not talking about when Palpatine was frying Luke. His lightning, according to the ROTJ novel, intensified when he was trying to kill Vader. You could even see the outlining of Vader's skull, even underneath all that armor. He was torturing Luke, but trying to kill Vader. Dooku's lightning also had "dozens of arcs", but Anakin was able to catch it with his saber.
Kas'im managed to block Banes FP, so why couldn't Vader? As i said before, Vader has done everything Bane has done as far as TK, and more.
Originally posted by Darth Exodus
Palpatine wasn't using his full power FL's. He was torturing Luke becuase he's a **** and wanted to have some fun and teach Luke that it isn't wise to throw away your lightsaber in front to a pissed Sith Lord. Sidious' full strength FL was enough to turn people to ash (just as Bane's is) so it's obvious he wasn't going all-out. And the lightning killed him anyway.
Originally posted by Darth Exodus
Bane's lightning is described to have 'a dozen arcs' of electricity or something like that. Is Vader gonna catch them all on that slim blade?
All force lightning attacks have multiple arcs that are wider then a lightsaber but the lightning always bends towards the reciever or lightsaber. Palps lightning was suppose to go throught a much wider area but since he was targeting Luke it stayed on Luke.
Originally posted by Darth Exodus
Bane can liquidise bone with his. That > killing some random guys.
Are you talking about the force wave on Kas'im?
Originally posted by Darth Exodus
Bane smashed the rakatan temple to the ground.
Yes this was when he was trying to kill Kas'im but Kas'im force shield was stronger then the tk attack so why can't Vader just shield himself unless you are suggesting that Kas'Im is stronger then rape-Kar-Vastor-dead-Vader. Bane had to charge this tk attack and he was "drained by the sudden unleashing in the force" so if he fails once with this he is probably a goner. And hey Vader can shake the foundation of a building by just getting mad.
Originally posted by Darth Exodus
This is impressive in combat and mastery, but not in raw power. And it's not going to stop the much faster Bane from zapping him or beating him in saber's.
Wont win the battle for him but it will help him.
Agreed. But one skill isn't enough to get the win here. [/B][/QUOTE]
That actually wasn't meant for you 😉
Dooku's lightning also had "dozens of arcs", but Anakin was able to catch it with his saber.
Bane's lightning required that Raskta had to move her sabers in "figure eights" to catch all of it. Anakin held his lightsaber still. Bane >> Dooku at lightning, because he has (apparently) 12 times the number of 'arcs' of lightning generated at once.
Edit:
Are you talking about the force wave on Kas'im?
Very probably.
so, does how strong someone in the force is affect what the lightning does to them?
Consider: In Rots, Mace is struck with a full blast of sidious's lightning. He is not turned to ash, he's thrown out the window. Luke is struck by lightning, he isn't turned to ash. Perhaps being strong in the force somewhat protects you from force lightning (as in perhaps a non-force sensitive being struck by the lightning that struck mace WOULD HAVE been turned to ash?)