Originally posted by jinzinIs it last year? Nope. When you or Capt ask me to stop do I? Yes.
OMG... dude I'm not making something from nothing, you don't hastle Wolverine fans for like a year straight with out of context scans just to get them riled and then call that nothing.
Originally posted by jinzinNo I'm not. All I did was post scans, you said I didn't convince you and I posted back I wasn't trying to convince anybody. That's when you started accusing me of....
You posted those scans in the respect thread and then here, and all I did was post my reaction to them. I didn't attack you for it so stop acting like I did. All I did was state my observation from the scans you posted. You're the one here making something out of nothing..
Originally posted by jinzin.....There, that's it.
You posted them in the Namor respect thread, and now here. it would seem that you were trying to show SOMETHING with them, and it's not as if you haven't supported Namor in this debate before.
Now I have motives because I believe Namor has a better chance than Logan via KMC rules. 🙄
Originally posted by jinzinAgain with the accusations. Now I have a history? crylaugh I posted scans of a recent fight. I didn't didn't type one word in the post. Dude, these are fictional characters open to interpretation. This isn't Religion or Politics.
Yes Wolverine did have a serious disadvantage in this fight, I don't have a problem with this other than the sheer stupidity that Wolverine's displaying here. But don't sit there and act like you don't have a history with this kind of crap.
Originally posted by jinzin
😐In Wolverine's first dozen appearances he
Fought Hulk to a virtual standstill
Koed Wendigo.
KO kierrok (who no sold the whole X-men)
Was laughing off Colossus full' force punch.
And took two blasts from Firelord without being singed.😐
Who is this "classic" Wolverine that everyone remembers so fondly?
Wolverine's unstated immunity to hydrostatic shock is just part of the suspension of disbelief that goes along with enjoying comic books, like when somebody lifts a truck instead of ripping pieces off a a truck. I accept it the same way that I accept Cap not being knocked unconscious just by the shockwave of some hellacious blow that his shield absorbs.
The Wolverine I recall fondly was a badass, but not unstoppable. He was more like John McLane than the Terminator. He's fight ninjas by the dozens rather than the hundreds, and he certainly couldn't regenerate from charred bones.
I'd say Uncanny from about the time Kitty joined the team through the Australia period are about spot on for Wolvie (and the X-men generally). That was Claremont's creative peak on that series, he'd matured as a writer by that point, but not burned out yet.
(The irony of your using standing up to Firelord as an example of a character's power on this board is particularly choice by the way.)
Originally posted by Creshosk
Prove it. *folds arms* Want me to cite the rule which requires you to prove your claim?
Unfortunately the only "scans" I have from that particular evening are xerox copies of Bob Harras's hehind. At least i think it's his. If not, then somebody else has a "Bob Harras Rulezz!" tatoo.
Originally posted by Badabing
Is it last year? Nope. When you or Capt ask me to stop do I? Yes.
Originally posted by Badabing
No I'm not. All I did was post scans, you said I didn't convince you and I posted back I wasn't trying to convince anybody. That's when you started accusing me of.........There, that's it.
No I made no reference of you I said that the scans didn't convince me.. You weren't mentioned at all,
THEN you posted this:
Originally posted by Badabing
🤨I didn't editorialize the scans, so nobody is trying to prove anything. I'm confident people can draw their own opinions. It's the most recent fight and pertinent to this thread.
Which makes me out to be criticizing you for "editorializing" the scans..which I didn't do.
And. Which makes me out to be accusing YOU of trying to prove something.. which I also didnt do.
But since I didn't attack you and you thought that I was I made a historical reference to show why that wouldn't be without merit if I was.. which I wasn't anyways.
Originally posted by Badabing
Now I have motives because I believe Namor has a better chance than Logan via KMC rules. 🙄
🤨
Again it's a point of reference to show merit in anyone thinking that you DID have motives..
You've done this sort of thing before.
You think Namor would win.
It's not unfeasable that you had an agenda.
Originally posted by Badabing
Again with the accusations. Now I have a history? crylaugh
Yes you do.. a year long history with an ass load of examples for reference including the other Wolverine vs. Namor thread. 😬
Originally posted by Badabing
I posted scans of a recent fight. I didn't didn't type one word in the post.
And I didn't make ONE mention of you in my initial response to that post did I? But that didn't stop you from drawing upon your own conclusions.. did it?
Originally posted by Badabing
Dude, these are fictional characters open to interpretation. This isn't Religion or Politics.
This is also a debate forum and I made an observation and an opinion based on the evidence presented which I am allowed to do.
Originally posted by Creshosk
You're speaking of a character that doesn't really exist. There' never been a real wolverine that has been put down for minutes simply from a stab wound or a gunshot wound. and I challenge you to find a version of Wolverine that has that doesn't have something extra effecting him.
When Deathbird ran him through with her big-honkin spear and your friend Jubes found him gasping on the floor and he tells her to pull it out. His following, "Much obliged, Jubilation" as he gets up to get back into the fight was one of his coollest moments ever.
The super-skrull has been around his entire carrer?
You missed the point of my comment entirely.
Your heavy handed bias is just oozing out of this post.
I'm not biased against Wolverine. Quite the opposite actually. I'm just sick of badly written stories about one of my favorite characters.
Originally posted by Laminator_X
Wolverine's unstated immunity to hydrostatic shock is just part of the suspension of disbelief that goes along with enjoying comic books, like when somebody lifts a truck instead of ripping pieces off a a truck. I accept it the same way that I accept Cap not being knocked unconscious just by the shockwave of some hellacious blow that his shield absorbs.The Wolverine I recall fondly was a badass, but not unstoppable. He was more like John McLane than the Terminator. He's fight ninjas by the dozens rather than the hundreds, and he certainly couldn't regenerate from charred bones.
Originally posted by Laminator_X
I'd say Uncanny from about the time Kitty joined the team through the Australia period are about spot on for Wolvie (and the X-men generally). That was Claremont's creative peak on that series, he'd matured as a writer by that point, but not burned out yet.
"Its funny that Wolverine's healing factor has been in a rut for the majority of his comic history eh? It was weakened after he fought off his Brood infection right up until Secert Wars and his fight with Lady D right after and the Maurders right after... were it was weakened again... right up until his capture and crusifacation by Pierce and the Mauraders... where it was weakened once again... right up until his Adamantium was removed by Magento. Wolverine has shit for luck."
Originally posted by Laminator_XLikewise, I find it ironic that Firelord vs. Spiderman is actually an example of Firelord vs. Spiderman when only a handful of people (mostly die-hard cosmic fans) have a problem with it. In any case you're missing the point... The Wolverine you're reffering to, like Cresh said, has never existed. He's always been uber.
(The irony of your using standing up to Firelord as an example of a character's power on this board is particularly choice by the way.)
Originally posted by Laminator_XYup, Uncanny #276. and he was just fine once the spear was removed. Doesn't qualify as "down for minutes from a simple stab wound" .
When Deathbird ran him through with her big-honkin spear and your friend Jubes found him gasping on the floor and he tells her to pull it out. His following, "Much obliged, Jubilation" as he gets up to get back into the fight was one of his coollest moments ever.
Originally posted by Laminator_XYou disagree with the way he's been portrayed his entire carrer, as you're compliaing about how he's been upgraded from a time that didn't exist.
You missed the point of my comment entirely.
In fact the incident in Uncanny 276 that you tried to use shows that he was not kept down from a simple stab wound.
Originally posted by Laminator_XWas 276 badly written? He's stabbed and as soon as the spear is removed he pops right back up.
I'm not biased against Wolverine. Quite the opposite actually. I'm just sick of bad ly written stories about one of my favorite characters.
Originally posted by Laminator_XThere would be no shockwave because his sheild is also composed of vibranium, it absorbs kinetic energy.
Wolverine's unstated immunity to hydrostatic shock is just part of the suspension of disbelief that goes along with enjoying comic books, like when somebody lifts a truck instead of ripping pieces off a a truck. I accept it the same way that I accept Cap not being knocked unconscious just by the shockwave of some hellacious blow that his shield absorbs.
Originally posted by jinzinSo, you just admitted I do stop. Thanks for validating me. 😉
Did I say it was last year? No, I'm using that as a point of reference for giving me validation in any thinking that you had an agenda in what you were doing past the point of just posting pics.
And yes you do stop for some time, that doesn't mean you'll stop for certain.
Originally posted by jinzinI posted the scans, hence the reference was directed at the scans I posted, ergo I was mentioned.
No I made no reference of you I said that the scans didn't convince me.. You weren't mentioned at all,
THEN you posted this:
Originally posted by jinzinYou're just making assumptions. Can you really be sure? I said nothing in the scan post. I'm sorry but you're wrong. 😬
Which makes me out to be criticizing you for "editorializing" the scans..which I didn't do.
And. Which makes me out to be accusing YOU of trying to prove something.. which I also didnt do.
Originally posted by jinzinSo, you went through all of this to make a "Historical Reference" on my thoughts on the Wolverine vs Namor thread...😑 Dude, these are only comics.
But since I didn't attack you and you thought that I was I made a historical reference to show why that wouldn't be without merit if I was.. which I wasn't anyways.
Originally posted by jinzinNobody else is complaining or making assumptions but you. Again, these are only comics.
🤨Again it's a point of reference to show merit in anyone thinking that you DID have motives..
You've done this sort of thing before.
You think Namor would win.It's not unfeasable that you had an agenda.
I've done things as a joke with out of context scans. The scans I posted are accurate. Again, these are only comics.
You think Wolverine would win.
Originally posted by jinzinMore of my sordid past. crylaugh I'm sorry but dude.....These are only comics.
Yes you do.. a year long history with an ass load of examples for reference including the other Wolverine vs. Namor thread. 😬
Originally posted by jinzinI was responding to your post. My conclusions were based on that post and were benign. 😬
And I didn't make ONE mention of you in my initial response to that post did I? But that didn't stop you from drawing upon your own conclusions.. did it?
Originally posted by jinzinBut you made an observation about me and I told you it's wrong. Yet you still try to prove your point. It's that mind reading we talked about.
This is also a debate forum and I made an observation and an opinion based on the evidence presented which I am allowed to do.
KMC, please forgive me for posting relevant scans in the thread. I'm an Atlantean agent sent to besmirch anybody who thinks Wolverine would beat Namor. Jinzin uncovered my insidious plot. I apologize for my misdeeds.
Originally posted by BattlehammerIt's true, in fact Deathbird discovers what Namor already knew, Wolverine has an indomitable will:
276 wolverine had been weaken prior to the stabb. Hell deathbird even states that he is simple a shallow shell of his former self.......so good evidence there lamin........
Originally posted by jinzin
pffft HA!That's not what Namor thinks.
Edit:[The hell happened there?]
Originally posted by Badabing
KMC, please forgive me for posting relevant scans in the thread. I'm an Atlantean agent sent to besmirch anybody who thinks Wolverine would beat Namor. Jinzin uncovered my insidious plot. I apologize for my misdeeds.
So finaly you admit it!
I knew it, you were sent here by Prince Namor himself to destroy the good name of the hairy arsed verticaly challenged Canadian with da big claws!
I will not rest until you and your Atlantean double agent friends are driven from KMC forever!
Only comics you say! to some of us they are the only meaning we have to our lives! 😠
Originally posted by jinzinUncanny Annual 11? He was made godlike by the crystal, yes?
He did worse than that.. he regenerated from a drop of blood skeleton included. 😬
Are you aware that Wolverine's HF was basically on edge throughout damn near that entire period?
I took most of that for normal, really. He was certainly a more interesting and dramatic character to read about in that state.
Likewise, I find it ironic that Firelord vs. Spiderman is actually an example of Firelord vs. Spiderman when only a handful of people (mostly die-hard cosmic fans) have a problem with it.
I have the actual SvF issue, and like it for the outstanding upset victory. Sometimes the team in last place beats the team in first place, or the 100 to 1 horse wins the race. The point of SvF is that such events are not typical, and shouldn't be considered definitive examples of expected repeat-performance.
The fact that Spider-Man should have lost but pulled it off by pluck and spirit is what makes it a good story. If he were uber-powerful and schooled Heralds all the time there's be no dramatic tension.
Not incidentally, this is also why Mega-Wolvie annoys me.
Originally posted by Laminator_XBecause you don't like what he does all the time, thus proving it's not SMvFL by your definition of SMvFL?
I have the actual SvF issue, and like it for the outstanding upset victory. Sometimes the team in last place beats the team in first place, or the 100 to 1 horse wins the race. The point of SvF is that such events are not typical, and shouldn't be considered definitive examples of expected repeat-performance.The fact that Spider-Man should have lost but pulled it off by pluck and spirit is what makes it a good story. If he were uber-powerful and schooled Heralds all the time there's be no dramatic tension.
Not incidentally, this is also why Mega-Wolvie annoys me.
Originally posted by Herculesdurimshot
So finaly you admit it!I knew it, you were sent here by Prince Namor himself to destroy the good name of the hairy arsed verticaly challenged Canadian with da big claws!
I will not rest until you and your Atlantean double agent friends are driven from KMC forever!
Only comics you say! to some of us they are the only meaning we have to our lives! 😠
Just using any excuse to post that again.