Originally posted by Creshosk
Then try making one without using words, concepts or ideas incorrectly.
Tray having a discussion about ideas and rather than looking for opportunities for empty nit-picking retorts that contribute nothing meaningful to the discussion in an attempt to score some sort of imaginary debate-points. 😉
Compare #276 where's he's down wheezing and in pain asking help from a kid, to the scan up above where he's talking whole paragraphs of trash to Namor about how he's going to kick his ass once his organs re-knit. Granted, the former may have been a low-point, but it was far cooler (again, more Die Hard, less Terminator).
Originally posted by Laminator_XYou talk first about points and use ideas I don't agree with, and when I point out the flaws and thus the reasons why I don't agree with your ideas you take some sort of sophist attitude and tell me that I'm trying to score some sort of debate points...
Tray having a discussion about ideas and rather than looking for opportunities for empty nit-picking retorts that contribute nothing meaningful to the discussion in an attempt to score some sort of imaginary debate-points. 😉
Originally posted by Laminator_XSimply likeing a character for a period where they were less powerful than normal does not help you make any of these vaunted points that you were first tryiong to make and now not trying to make but merely having a discussion.
Compare #276 where's he's down wheezing and in pain asking help from a kid, to the scan up above where he's talking whole paragraphs of trash to Namor about how he's going to kick his ass once his organs re-knit. Granted, the former may have been a low-point, but it was far cooler (again, more Die Hard, less Terminator).
Make up your mind and stop back peddling. You've failed to make any points and then when this is pointed out you attempt to backpeddle by saying that you're only having a discussion. What are we supposed to do? Blindly agree with points that neither make any sense nor do we agree with in this "discussion" of yours?
Much better post.
It still conveys a black/white us/them attitude. Saying that you have a good point about Wolverine being weak in #276 isn't "back-pedaling," it's acknowledging that you said something valid.
As for "not making sense," if you still don't get why a one-liner about Vibranium misses the point I was making about the literary conventions of the super-hero genre, or why an upset victory is more interesting than a certain one; that's hardly my problem.
Back on subject, the only way I can see Wolvie beating the Sub-Mariner is if he plays it smart (Stealth, ambush, etc) while goading Namor into rash attacks. If he tries to go head to head he probably looses. Subby isn't just a brick. He's mega-strong & fast to boot. If Subby fights smart instead of arrogant, Wolvie looses.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
Here the thing. Namor can take less stabbs then Wolevrien can take punches so in a melee confrontation Logan should come out on top.Namor won't be landing more hits then wolverine will.
Namor also not as skilled and he will have to be dealing with attacks that can kill him with one strike.
This is very true. If they stay in close for too long, Wolverine will have the advantage. OTOH, if Wolvie gets knocked into the pavement and then Namor starts pounding him with a trash-truck over and over the outcome becomes very different. (If we allow that Wolverine is immortal for the sake of discussion, then surely an immobilize/KO will constitute a win, yes?)
Originally posted by Laminator_X
This is very true. If they stay in close for too long, Wolverine will have the advantage. OTOH, if Wolvie gets knocked into the pavement and then Namor starts pounding him with a trash-truck over and over the outcome becomes very different. (If we allow that Wolverine is immortal for the sake of discussion, then surely an immobilize/KO will constitute a win, yes?)
There nothing but namor and wolverine.
Namor will have to take it into close quarter combat which Logan has the clear advantage.
Back on Page 1 the battlefield was stated to be Central Park. I'm confused.
An arena setup certainly does help Logan's odds. With his greater speed and mobility, keeping distance helps Namor, while an in-close-tussle helps Logan.
The more I think about it, the more I think this comes down to which of these too hotheads manages to keep his cool and work the fight to his strengths rather than his opponent's.
Originally posted by Laminator_X
Back on Page 1 the battlefield was stated to be Central Park. I'm confused.An arena setup certainly does help Logan's odds. Keeping distance helps Namor, while an in-close-tussle helps Logan.
The more I think about it, the more I think this comes down to which of these too hotheads manages to keep his cool and work the fight to his strengths rather than his opponent's.
If he plays it long range he wins.
Originally posted by tjcoadyI posted the scans a few pages back. I thought Logan has a decent showing.
anyone read Sub-Mariner 3?spoiler....
Wolverine gets his ass kicked. He gets one decent blow against Namor (which he basically shrugs off) and then spends the rest of his time getting hurled through walls and telling Namor that as soon as his organs heal, he'll kill him.
To be clear, the first hit Logan got in on Namor, while a good one, was by stabbing Namor after taking his hand to help Logan out of the hole in the roof. (Accept a hand up and then stab him? Yeesh. Didn't he once say "Want mercy? Show a little first."😉 The second was a follow up.
It also showed that Namor was fast enough to uppercut Logan through the chimney when Wolvie's claws were already at his temples.
What I like in this, is that it rather than just rushing him, Logan uses dirty tricks knowledge of the terrain, and trying to goad Namor into a rage, via the insults and threats. He knows his best bet is to get Namor so enraged that he looses control of the situation and gives Logan another opening.
Namor clearly had the upper hand, but if Logan had gone for brain instead of chest (a-la the AoA What IF?) with his sucker-punch, he might have have pulled off a win.