Namor, The Sub-Mariner vs Wolverine

Originally posted by Mindset
Why?

The number of wins is tied.

Not really.

1. First fight Namor admits he would have lost if Wolverine wasn't mind controlled.
2. In another fight Wolverine was about kill him until US Agent showed up.
3. Wolverine manged to beat Namor after getting incinerated and fighting Janus. He got koed but Wolverine couldn't have been at his peak.
4. The fight at the X-mansion had both Wolverine and Namor holding back.

Originally posted by Mindset

Not that that has much to do with what I was talking about anyway...

Not really bothered id just thought id cut to the chase and talk about how Wolverine wins the majority.

How was Wolverine holding back? He stabbed him in the chest.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
why would a top tier fighter who kileld thousands of people miss stabbing the ehart if he was aiming for it............you know how dumb that sounds...........

yea and that were you lack of knowledge on wolverine character hurts you. It part of Logan personality. He does not care what you think. If you think he tried to kill you he not gunna deny it even if he was not trying to. For instances in oneof his very first apearences in uncanny x-men storm assumed when Logan said he was going hunting, that he was planing to kill the animal............and Logan never denied it........even though all he was planning to do with tag it.

so Logan not denying namor claims means absolutly nothing and you would know this if you fallowed wolverine comics.

.........they were both center of the chest if I recall..........

Logan missing only sound dumb to someone who thinks Logan is incapable of error, so you. It really doesn't matter how many times he has done something before, he could still miss.

Not really a lack of knowledge, just the ability to read and reason. Logan didn't deny the fact, there's more proof to show he was meaning to kill or seriously harm than not.

He didn'it hit Namor in the center of his chest.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Not really............

Yes, really.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Not really.

1. First fight Namor admits he would have lost if Wolverine wasn't mind controlled.
2. In another fight Wolverine was about kill him until US Agent showed up.
3. Wolverine manged to beat Namor after getting incinerated and fighting Janus. He got koed but Wolverine couldn't have been at his peak.
4. The fight at the X-mansion had both Wolverine and Namor holding back.

Not really bothered id just thought id cut to the chase and talk about how Wolverine wins the majority.

First fight stalemate.

Wolverine won the one with US Agent.

Wolverine did not beat Namor after being blown up by Nitro. How does someone who is knocked out win a fight? 🙄

Namor held back until he was stabbed in the chest, then he owned Logan, he won.

Originally posted by Mindset
First fight stalemate.

He was mindcontrolled and Namor stated that he would have lost if it wasn't for the mind control.

Originally posted by Mindset

Wolverine did not beat Namor after being blown up by Nitro. How does someone who is knocked out win a fight? 🙄

From what I remember Wolverine stabbed him and dropped Namor. Namor then Koed him afterwards. Its a win really for Wolverine because im assuming that being incinerated and fighting Janus is going to have made him weaker.

Originally posted by Mindset

Namor held back until he was stabbed in the chest, then he owned Logan, he won.

Yes but Wolverine was not going all out, he just wanted Namor to leave. Also there was a swimming pool there, there is no swimming pool in this thread.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
He was mindcontrolled and Namor stated that he would have lost if it wasn't for the mind control.

From what I remember Wolverine stabbed him and dropped Namor. Namor then Koed him afterwards. Its a win really for Wolverine because im assuming that being incinerated and fighting Janus is going to have made him weaker.

Yes but Wolverine was not going all out, he just wanted Namor to leave. Also there was a swimming pool there, there is no swimming pool in this thread.

Yes, but the fight was a stalemate.

Namor was stabbed, he still won.

Yes, he stabbed Namor in the chest and expected him to leave, that was just a slap on the wrist...Central Park has like 5 different bodies of water.

No swimming pool, but a entire lake instead. Ever been to Central Park? Its nice aside from the muggers and rapists. Anyway its kinda silly to say Wolverine wasnt trying to off Namor when he plunged his claws into his chest.
Also how is it a win for Wolverine when Namor knocked him out. Yeah Wolverine was weakend, but if anything you should mark that as durability feat but NOT a win. And yeah he dropped Namor early but if Namor simply KO'ed Wolverine with no resistance the fanboys would be rabid.

Originally posted by Mindset
Logan missing only sound dumb to someone who thinks Logan is incapable of error, so you. It really doesn't matter how many times he has done something before, he could still miss.

Not really a lack of knowledge, just the ability to read and reason. Logan didn't deny the fact, there's more proof to show he was meaning to kill or seriously harm than not.

He didn'it hit Namor in the center of his chest.

You don't have to think Wolverine's infalable to think that him missing a vital area as large, obvious, and vulnerable as the heart would be horrible character representation if that's what was being displayed. From all appearances, it would seem that Wolverine didn't even hit Namor in the peck, rather below it. Coming from a guy with the fighting ability, experience, and sheer knowledge of the human anatomy that Wolverine has, a guy who can pinpoint his claw through the middle of a flipped coin, the pin of an airborn handgrenade, the berral of a gun a millesecond after it's fired, and can nail three bullseyes with a dart without looking, simply missing the heart? It becomes a very.. VERY tough pill to swallow.

I however, don't think that Wolverine's intention was to do Namor "serious harm"... If it was, why then did he not run through Namor's face at the beginning when he unsheathed his claws?
He certainly was fast enough to do so, Namor hadn't even raised a suitable defense yet. If his intention became to seriously do Namor damage after being punched to the rooftop and he did... erm.. miss, why then did his follow-up punch remain with claws sheathed?
It's far more reasonable to assume that he simply had no intention to hurt Namor, and far more likely that he WAS just trying to get Namor to leave asap as he stated before the fight got started. 😬

Originally posted by Mindset
First fight stalemate.

Wolverine won the one with US Agent.

Wolverine did not beat Namor after being blown up by Nitro. How does someone who is knocked out win a fight? 🙄

Good question. You ARE of course ignoring the fact that Namor was TKO'd for roughly 20 to 30 seconds before he cheapshotted the weakened Logan no?

mmm

Originally posted by Mindset
He didn'it hit Namor in the center of his chest.

I'd also like to point out that hitting Namor in the center of the chest would have been more convincing for a kill shot as at least that houses the thymus a vital organ.

Originally posted by jinzin
You don't have to think Wolverine's infalable to think that him missing a vital area as large, obvious, and vulnerable as the heart would be horrible character representation if that's what was being displayed. From all appearances, it would seem that Wolverine didn't even hit Namor in the peck, rather below it. Coming from a guy with the fighting ability, experience, and sheer knowledge of the human anatomy that Wolverine has, a guy who can pinpoint his claw through the middle of a flipped coin, the pin of an airborn handgrenade, the berral of a gun a millesecond after it's fired, and can nail three bullseyes with a dart without looking, simply missing the heart? It becomes a very.. VERY tough pill to swallow.

I however, don't think that Wolverine's intention was to do Namor "serious harm"... If it was, why then did he not run through Namor's face at the beginning when he unsheathed his claws?
He certainly was fast enough to do so, Namor hadn't even raised a suitable defense yet. If his intention became to seriously do Namor damage after being punched to the rooftop and he did... erm.. miss, why then did his follow-up punch remain with claws sheathed?
It's far more reasonable to assume that he simply had no intention to hurt Namor, and far more likely that he WAS just trying to get Namor to leave asap as he stated before the fight got started. 😬

So his method of getting Namor to leave was to stab him in the chest? Either he was trying to seriously harm Namor or he is an idiot.

Originally posted by jinzin
Good question. You ARE of course ignoring the fact that Namor was TKO'd for roughly 20 to 30 seconds before he cheapshotted the weakened Logan no?

No, I'm not ignoring anything. Logan didn't win the fight, whether Namor was out momentarily really doesn't matter.

Originally posted by jinzin
I'd also like to point out that hitting Namor in the center of the chest would have been more convincing for a kill shot as at least that houses the thymus a vital organ.

Not really, where Logan hit could have punctured a lung, cut an artery, punctured the heart, cut the aorta...all of which could be fatal.

Originally posted by Mindset
So his method of getting Namor to leave was to stab him in the chest? Either he was trying to seriously harm Namor or he is an idiot.

If he was trying to seriously injure Namor I'll pose these questions again:

"why then did he not run through Namor's face at the beginning when he unsheathed his claws?
He certainly was fast enough to do so, Namor hadn't even raised a suitable defense yet. If his intention became to seriously do Namor damage after being punched to the rooftop and he did... erm.. miss, why then did his follow-up punch remain with claws sheathed?"

If you're going to continue to ignore that and be more inclined to repeat your position over and over than I think we can simply dismiss Wolverine "missing" as an astronomically low showing that holds next to no relevance to KMC fights.

Originally posted by Mindset
No, I'm not ignoring anything. Logan didn't win the fight, whether Namor was out momentarily really doesn't matter.

Originally posted by Mindset
Not really, where Logan hit could have punctured a lung, cut an artery, punctured the heart, cut the aorta...all of which could be fatal.

lol, uh no.. the heart's above where he struck, as is the lung, the aorta's in the center of the chest and it's bulk resides higher, there are no major arteries in that region either. 😐

Wolverine's shot would have landed either in the stomach, nicked the intestines, or hit a liver all of which are not vital.

Originally posted by jinzin
He used reason. Didn't work.
He used threats. Didn't work.
He used force.... The inclination of severety to get Namor to leave seems to be logical and not idiotic. 😐

If he was trying to seriously injure Namor I'll pose these questions again:

"why then did he not run through Namor's face at the beginning when he unsheathed his claws?
He certainly was fast enough to do so, Namor hadn't even raised a suitable defense yet. If his intention became to seriously do Namor damage after being punched to the rooftop and he did... erm.. miss, why then did his follow-up punch remain with claws sheathed?"

If you're going to continue to ignore that and be more inclined to repeat your position over and over than I think we can simply dismiss Wolverine "missing" as an astronomically low showing that holds next to no relevance to KMC fights.

Why doesn't Wolverine just run his claws through all his enemies faces?

The only way to get Namor to leave or stop fighting would have been to seriously hurt him. So if you are saying Wolverine just wanted Namor to leave then he would have had to hurt him to the point where he couldn't fight, which would have to be a significant amount of damage.

Maybe he wasn't aiming for the heart, maybe he was aiming for any number of other potentially lethal spots in the chest.

Idk why he followed up with a punch, I also don't know why he would stab him in the chest if his intention was to just get him to leave and he didn't want to hurt him.

Originally posted by jinzin
lol, uh no.. the heart's above where he struck, as is the lung, the aorta's in the center of the chest and it's bulk resides higher, there are no major arteries in that region either. 😐

Wolverine's shot would have landed either in the stomach, nicked the intestines, or hit a liver all of which are not vital.

Where Wolverine hit would include the upper Epigastric and Left Hypochondriac region, which houses part of the heart, lung, stomach, and liver. The abdominal aorta passes through both those regions. ( first time anatomy class was any use)