Namor, The Sub-Mariner vs Wolverine

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Namor isn't exactly cannon fodder. And as you and jinzin have argued, people with healing factors can get careless and let themselves get hit. Namor wouldn't be fighting with that level of inflated confidence. He knows Wolverine's claws can cut him, so he'd be more careful, because he's smarter.

I also highly doubt an artery shot would kill Namor in seconds. Considering his stamina, pain tolerance and ability to heal in water, I think Namor would avoid instant death. And while lopping off an arm or a leg would certainly hurt, just because Wolverine theoretically could, doesn't equate to it being more likely than not. Personally, I believe that it is more likely that Namor would knock out Wolverine with class 100+ punches before Wolverine managed to slice off his arm or leg.

In terms of sheer boxing skill I don't think it's even close to reasonable to assume that Namor woulr land enough hits to KO Logan before Logan would land a kill shot to Namor's head back.

Wolverine's the better fighter, more experienced (we're not talking just years, but sheer versatility in training, as his training hasn't been oriented just around fighting, or strategic negotiation, but specifically around killing as well) and has a longer reach.

Now, Namor's already admitted that he can't beat Logan, I see no reason to disagree and neither does Logan.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Namor isn't exactly a fly perched on a man's nose. You argue as if Namor's standing still in this fight. You forget that Namor is fighting to the best of his abilities as well? A man can also easily die from being stabbed in the gut like Wolverine did to Namor in the 'Civil War' tie-in. But Namor simply got back up without any benefit of healing in water. It's more arguable that even despite the difficulty of landing such a shot on a fighting Namor, his half-human, half-Atlantean mutant physiology would probably prevent such an ignoble death.

Wolverine stabbed Namor near the clavicles and yes Namor was wearing his hydro-suit so he was benefited.

Originally posted by jinzin

Now, Namor's already admitted that he can't beat Logan, I see no reason to disagree and neither does Logan.

And do you have scans of all of their fights? I've seen most of them but it's been awhile.

Originally posted by jinzin
Wolverine stabbed Namor near the clavicles and yes Namor was wearing his hydro-suit so he was benefited.

did some one jsut try and argue that namor is closes to wolverine level of skill? Becauses thats just foolishness

^ Not a single person has made that claim, troll. Oh right. You can't read this and I made you promise to never read my posts again. So neener neener neener.

Back on topic.

Hydro-suit? 🤨

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Not a single person has made that claim, troll. Oh right. You can't read this and I made you promise to never read my posts again. So neener neener neener.

Back on topic.

Hydro-suit? 🤨

Thank you, thank you. I'm here all week. Just wait til I start busting out yo momma jokes! 😛

Originally posted by Dr.Crankenstein
I'm chiming in kinda late here. But you have a scan of this?

And do you have scans of all of their fights? I've seen most of them but it's been awhile.

lol, Yes look in the Wolverine Respect thread under brick fights.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Hydro-suit? 🤨

Yes. The black suit that Namor wears is a suit that hydrates Namor keeping his physicality closer to peak performance. DC himself has explained that one away.

Ok. So then if his usual costume is this fantastical "hydro-suit." Then he'd get it for this fight. And therefore, you have now completely convinced me that Namor takes this 7/10 easily, if not more. No more 6/10 see-sawing. I'm sure that's not what you intended. But hey, if that normal black suit hydrates him, then Logan is even more f'ed.

Namor 7/10.

His usual costume is a speedo, he wears his hydro suit about half the time.

nd fantastical huh? 😐

I see, so no Darkcrawler lies about Namor does he?

😂
comical...

I don't see how Logan is "even more F'ed" when Namor's got his ass kicked while wearing 2 out of the 3 times he's worn it against Wolverine... but considering how much you dislike Logan I suppose it's not surprising.

I don't dislike Wolverine. Just because I think Cap slightly edges him out and Spidey stalemates or slightly edges him out means I dislike Wolverine? Okie. Whatever you say. I give him more credit then most people do. Just because I question the attenuations you guys make with Wolverine doesn't mean I dislike the character.

And Namor is now usually in this "hydro-suit." Not just half the time. In his last dozen+ or so appearances, he's been wearing it all the time. In 'Civil War,' and it's tie-ins, in his recent limited series, in the short-lived 'Invaders' series, in current 'Illuminati' scenes, in his guest appearances in 'The Order,' etc. And this is current versions. So you pretty much just screwed over srankmissingnin's 9-second artery death argument. Thanks for telling me about this "hydro-suit" though. I never considered it a factor in his fights and will have to reassess his chances in a fight from now on.

Namor 7/10.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I don't dislike Wolverine. Just because I think Cap slightly edges him out and Spidey stalemates or slightly edges him out means I dislike Wolverine? Okie. Whatever you say. I give him more credit then most people do. Just because I question the attenuations you guys make with Wolverine doesn't mean I dislike the character.

And Namor is now usually in this "hydro-suit." Not just half the time. In his last dozen+ or so appearances, he's been wearing it all the time. In 'Civil War,' and it's tie-ins, in his recent limited series, in the short-lived 'Invaders' series, in current 'Illuminati' scenes, in his guest appearances in 'The Order,' etc. And this is current versions. So you pretty much just screwed over srankmissingnin's 9-second artery death argument. Thanks for telling me about this "hydro-suit" though. I never considered it a factor in his fights and will have to reassess his chances in a fight from now on.

Namor 7/10.

Just like here.. In spite of Namor nearly failing against Wolverine 3 out of 3 times against Wolverine and having to retreat to Water in one of those occasions anyway, Namor does better on KMC than he does "on panel" as you put so much faith into whenever it's Wolverine getting KO'd or something... whatever.

Almost everyone does shoot him in the head to win! Blame the writers! Hard to shake that image whenever a character with suitable combat skills and firearms shows up against Wolverine in these vs. threads. It's like seeing the SHIELD helicarrier constantly crash and losing faith in SHIELD computer security systems.

Whatever, indeed.

Namor 7/10.

Almost everyone being Mystique, DP, and Scalphunter... In spite of the fact that the number of fights he's had against those character alone where that hasn't happened clearly overwhlems the three where they have... But hey if Wolverine's getting downed it must therefore represent what SHOULD happen right? 🙄

Like I said, your shit is a bunch of bias, hypocritical nonsense.

Lets be fair jin, Ive never seen you side against Wolverine before. If its absolute spite against him you just remain quiet.

Originally posted by redhotrash
Lets be fair jin, Ive never seen you side against Wolverine before. If its absolute spite against him you just remain quiet.

Yeah and I don't show up in spite threads that aren't against him either.

I've no problem admitting when Wolverine will/would/can lose and I've argued against Wolverine on a number of occasions.

The reason why I argue FOR him so often is because most arguments, against Wolverine are against a tide of evidence and/or common sense that's almost bewildering.

Well I cant recall you ever going against him. Anyhow would you really find it unacceptable in Namor took a majority here? The guy is smarter and a hell of a lot more skilled than the Hulk, who has given Wolverine some decent beatings in the past. Hes exceptionally strong, not above cheating, and has been fighting for at least 60+ years. I personally think hes quick and agile enough to avoid the claws, strong enough to put Wolverine down, and smart enough to make a brief retreat to water to recharge, if not take Wolverine there outright.

I have, plenty of times to be quite honest. I don't think he's unbeatable by any means, but most people limited to melee aren't taking him down.

Yes I do find it unacceptable to give Namor the majority or I wouldn't attest to otherwise would I?

Well, no I suppose that's not quite accurate.
Let me clarify, as I'm sure you've probably just not been here long enough to recognize my position in this particular thread.
In a normal KMC fight, I find it unacceptable for Namor to beat Logan.
In THIS fight I think Namor can pull off the majority, but ONLY because of circumstantial plot device crap like bodies of water, and the ability to lift portions of to entire building structures and drop them.

What I argue against is mainly, the notion that IF Namor beats Logan, it's not because of his melee skills.

Hulk gives Wolverine "decent beatings" because the Hulk has a liquid metal like healing factor that runs on infinity. Nothing Wolverine can do to Hulk can stop him permanently. Same can't be said for Namor. If it wasn't for Hulk's healing factor, he would lose almost all his fights with Wolverine if not all of them so that's not a strong point of comparison.

He's not quicker nor more agile than Wolverine so you're wrong about his ability to avoid the claws, and he's been struck by Wolverine in fact in every one of their encounters except one in which Wolverine flat out stated to pull his claws away to take it easy on Namor. Namor's strong enough to put Wolverine down with a number of shots, Wolverine only really needs one.

In a straight melee fight Namor's not going to take the majority period, with plot devices, that's another story.

Great. So you admit Wolverine loses against Namor in this fight. We're not that far apart in our opinions! See? 😄