Originally posted by OneDumbG0
So if we agree on the outcome, how am I the one being accused of hypocritical bias and nonsense? We actually agree on the results:jinzin: "Namor beats Wolverine."
Me: "Namor beats Wolverine."
jinzin: "Shut up. You're biased."
Me: 🤨
Man, you really suck at this whole "context" thing huh?
You think Namor wins more than you did because he's wearing a suit that he's worn 3 times all of which he's been hurt to the point of either a KO a TKO, or a retreat to water.
You implied the suit alone negated the idea that Namor would go down to bloodloss as Srank stated in spite of 3 pieces of evidence that support it.
You made an argument for Wolverine going down to bullets because it was "on panel evidence" which you made a big deal about.
Yet on the other hand, when there's evidence of mulitudes of Wolverine fights not getting shot in the brain, those don't matter as everyone's going to shoot him in the brain ACCORDING TO YOU. The majority of evidence says that Namor can't win without plot devices and you imply that he can.
Ignoring the majority of on panel evidence for the minority of on panel evidence that you prefer, is bias. Upholding that your evidence is more accurate because it's "on panel", is hypocritical. And, arguing that "almost every does shoot him in the brain" when he's had hundreds of comicbook fights against guns where that hasn't happened while ignoring the context of the three times it has is nonesensical.
Well, at least no one can say you don't live up to the name. 😉
Originally posted by jinzin
I have, plenty of times to be quite honest. I don't think he's unbeatable by any means, but most people limited to melee aren't taking him down.Yes I do find it unacceptable to give Namor the majority or I wouldn't attest to otherwise would I?
Well, no I suppose that's not quite accurate.
Let me clarify, as I'm sure you've probably just not been here long enough to recognize my position in this particular thread.
In a normal KMC fight, I find it unacceptable for Namor to beat Logan.
In THIS fight I think Namor can pull off the majority, but ONLY because of circumstantial plot device crap like bodies of water, and the ability to lift portions of to entire building structures and drop them.What I argue against is mainly, the notion that IF Namor beats Logan, it's not because of his melee skills.
Hulk gives Wolverine "decent beatings" because the Hulk has a liquid metal like healing factor that runs on infinity. Nothing Wolverine can do to Hulk can stop him permanently. Same can't be said for Namor. If it wasn't for Hulk's healing factor, he would lose almost all his fights with Wolverine if not all of them so that's not a strong point of comparison.
He's not quicker nor more agile than Wolverine so you're wrong about his ability to avoid the claws, and he's been struck by Wolverine in fact in every one of their encounters except one in which Wolverine flat out stated to pull his claws away to take it easy on Namor. Namor's strong enough to put Wolverine down with a number of shots, Wolverine only really needs one.
In a straight melee fight Namor's not going to take the majority period, with plot devices, that's another story.
great post. The only way people would understand it is if they understand what type of character wolverine is. Wolverine powers are developed to fight basically BRICKS. Spiderman is another example of this. If a brick was to face any of these two they would basically get overwhelmed due to the sheer speed, and agility that these two possess. To top it off wolverine also has a healing factor and adamantium bones that would basically aid him if he was to get hit by a brick (which namor is).
Without a plot device namor dont have any kind of way of getting a majority over wolverine. Its hard to beat a character that has the ability to one shot you.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ What? We both agree on the outcome of the fight that Namor wins, but somehow I'm terribly biased?That doesn't make sense. 😬
Thats not the reason why Im saying that, I said that because in almost every wolverine debate youre always going against him when he has owned them in comics. He has beaten spiderman on numerous of occasions, almost every occasion. He has overwhelmed and almost killed cap in all of there battles and he has out right humiliated namor and thing but you still say that they could get the majority.
If there is on panel proof of something happening more then once then when will it get in your head that thats enough proof to back an argument. 1st we have namor admitting that he cant beat wolverine, we have namor on 3 occasions almost getting killed by wolverine but yet he can physically still beat wolverine on panel. Well I guess all the fights spiderman been in with rhino and him winning should be thrown out the window.
I never said there was an argument that Wolverine couldn't fight Namor at all. Indeed I was wavering between 6/10 and 7/10 for Namor until I found out he wears a suit that hydrates him. And despite your use of past fights, the fact is, they are not the Bible. Because even jinzin recognizes that Namor beats Wolverine. And I'm guessing that you do too. So are you going to insult yourself or jinzin and admit you or jinzin suck since you're using your common sense over what's been depicted in past fights?
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I never said there was an argument that Wolverine couldn't fight Namor at all. Indeed I was wavering between 6/10 and 7/10 for Namor until I found out he wears a suit that hydrates him. And despite your use of past fights, the fact is, they are not the Bible. Because even jinzin recognizes that Namor beats Wolverine. And I'm guessing that you do too. So are you going to insult yourself or jinzin and admit you or jinzin suck since you're using your common sense over what's been depicted in past fights?
Im not using the fact that namor would beat him physically, it would have to be some kind of plot device that namor would have to use to get a win over wolverine, water, etc.............
Without a plot device namor would do good but he would fall more time then not. And yes, you are correct, the comics isnt a bible but when something has happened so many times in comics (Example, superman beating darkseid), then thats when it becomes bible.
Originally posted by carver9
Im not using the fact that namor would beat him physically, it would have to be some kind of plot device that namor would have to use to get a win over wolverine, water, etc.............Without a plot device namor would do good but he would fall more time then not. And yes, you are correct, the comics isnt a bible but when something has happened so many times in comics (Example, superman beating darkseid), then thats when it becomes bible.
I wouldn't count 3 or 4 fights as 'many'.
Yes, without a plot device Namor would be weaker, but still has a 50/50 chance to beat Logan.
And the mere fact that as the fight pursues, Logan will have to sweat.
Sweat is liquid, enough to fuel Namor into bloodlust.
He only needs a drop to fully energize himself.
And let's not forget that Namor absorbed a direct headshot from Thor's Mjolnir, after which he only got stunned for a few moments.
For Pete's sake, that was Mjolnir, not just adamantium claws!
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I never said there was an argument that Wolverine couldn't fight Namor at all. Indeed I was wavering between 6/10 and 7/10 for Namor until I found out he wears a suit that hydrates him. And despite your use of past fights, the fact is, they are not the Bible. Because even jinzin recognizes that Namor beats Wolverine. And I'm guessing that you do too. So are you going to insult yourself or jinzin and admit you or jinzin suck since you're using your common sense over what's been depicted in past fights?
CONTEXT
you should try to apply it sometime. 🙂
Originally posted by occultdestroyer
I wouldn't count 3 or 4 fights as 'many'.Yes, without a plot device Namor would be weaker, but still has a 50/50 chance to beat Logan.
And the mere fact that as the fight pursues, Logan will have to sweat.
Sweat is liquid, enough to fuel Namor into bloodlust.
He only needs a drop to fully energize himself.And let's not forget that Namor absorbed a direct headshot from Thor's Mjolnir, after which he only got stunned for a few moments.
For Pete's sake, that was Mjolnir, not just adamantium claws!
No he doesn't.
Namor is like many other bricks when it comes to durability. He can take brick shots, but he's not above getting stabbed. And outside of the water he goes down.
Originally posted by occultdestroyer
I wouldn't count 3 or 4 fights as 'many'.Yes, without a plot device Namor would be weaker, but still has a 50/50 chance to beat Logan.
And the mere fact that as the fight pursues, Logan will have to sweat.
Sweat is liquid, enough to fuel Namor into bloodlust.
He only needs a drop to fully energize himself.And let's not forget that Namor absorbed a direct headshot from Thor's Mjolnir, after which he only got stunned for a few moments.
For Pete's sake, that was Mjolnir, not just adamantium claws!
Answer this for me, what if you was namor and you were fighting in a empty environment that didnt have buildings/ water and you were pitted against against wolverine. Lets say that you didnt know much about this character (we know that namor know wolverine but Im just changing the scenerio just a tad). Your standing face to face with him but you are endowed with a little knowledge of this character and the knowledge that you have is that he is one of the greatest fighters on the planet possessed with claws that could cut through titanium like butter through a knife. While your standing there you see this character pop out foot long claws from each hand and he slash himself across the chest with a deep slash, the slash was so deep that you can see his bones but the bones is covered with adamantium. Seconds after he slashes himself the wound heals immediately. So 1 you have a character that has a enormous healing factor 2. He is one of if not the best fighter on the planet 3 he has claws that can cut through anything. That alone is enough to make namor think if he should face a opponent like this. Thats not adding on the fact that wolverine has superhuman speed and possess superhuman senses. The question is would you physically fight a person of this caliber?
My answer is hell naw, what about yours.
Originally posted by carver9
Answer this for me, what if you was namor and you were fighting in a empty environment that didnt have buildings/ water and you were pitted against against wolverine. Lets say that you didnt know much about this character (we know that namor know wolverine but Im just changing the scenerio just a tad). Your standing face to face with him but you are endowed with a little knowledge of this character and the knowledge that you have is that he is one of the greatest fighters on the planet possessed with claws that could cut through titanium like butter through a knife. While your standing there you see this character pop out foot long claws from each hand and he slash himself across the chest with a deep slash, the slash was so deep that you can see his bones but the bones is covered with adamantium. Seconds after he slashes himself the wound heals immediately. So 1 you have a character that has a enormous healing factor 2. He is one of if not the best fighter on the planet 3 he has claws that can cut through anything. That alone is enough to make namor think if he should face a opponent like this. Thats not adding on the fact that wolverine has superhuman speed and possess superhuman senses. The question is would you physically fight a person of this caliber?My answer is hell naw, what about yours.
If I were Namor, I don't care who this character is or how strong he is, how fast he is, etc. He can slash himself all he wants, heal himself, I don't give a damn.
I can take him. Heck, what makes you think adamantium claws are stronger than Mjolnir?? LOL!
So the answer is yes. I don't think adamantium claws are stronger than Mjolnir.
Originally posted by occultdestroyer
If I were Namor, I don't care who this character is or how strong he is, how fast he is, etc. He can slash himself all he wants, heal himself, I don't give a damn.
I can take him. Heck, what makes you think adamantium claws are stronger than Mjolnir?? LOL!So the answer is yes. I don't think adamantium claws are stronger than Mjolnir.
Then you're not a very intelligent poster as the damage that a mjolnir hammer throw does differs greatly from what Wolverine's Adamantium claws can do.
Let me ask you this? What irrational and fully delusional aspect about yourself is it that makes you think Namor taking a Mjolnir shot holds more precedence than Wolverine cutting and/or stabbing Namor in nearly every one of their encounters?
Originally posted by jinzin
Then you're not a very intelligent poster as the damage that a mjolnir hammer throw does differs greatly from what Wolverine's Adamantium claws can do.Let me ask you this? What irrational and fully delusional aspect about yourself is it that makes you think Namor taking a Mjolnir shot holds more precedence than Wolverine cutting and/or stabbing Namor in nearly every one of their encounters?
Are you kidding? You have no idea how strong Mjolnir is.
It can open dimensions and energy manipulation. And Thor uses it for 3 of his strongest attacks: God Blast, Anti-Force, and Odin-Force Strike.
Tell me what adamantium can do, besides cutting titanium.
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