Originally posted by StiltmanFTWI only mentioned the tree and that girder he threw because people here are acting as if namor would never use a large object against logan in a fight, when he already has more than once(shows how much they know). But seriously, wolverine simply does not have the superhuman durability to withstand strong blows from namor. Now of course u guys will want to bring up high end feats where logan got hit by so and so, but just look at it this way:
Oh, he's KO'd Wolverine with a cheapshot who already took superhuman blows from him, Janus and got burned to the bare skeleton by Nitro.And Wolverine dodged said tree.
ur basically saying a guy who KOed the hulk and put beta ray bill down with blows doesnt possess the strength to KO wolverine.even though in their last fight he clearly easily incapacitated logan for some time(although he was still conscious)
Originally posted by namorsubby
I only mentioned the tree and that girder he threw because people here are acting as if namor would never use a large object against logan in a fight, when he already has more than once(shows how much they know). But seriously, wolverine simply does not have the superhuman durability to withstand strong blows from namor. Now of course u guys will want to bring up high end feats where logan got hit by so and so, but just look at it this way:ur basically saying a guy who KOed the hulk and put beta ray bill down with blows doesnt possess the strength to KO wolverine.even though in their last fight he clearly easily incapacitated logan for some time(although he was still conscious)
Lol I love the ridiculous one sidedness of this argument-type.
"All you guys wanna do is play off Wolverine's high end feats! Lets ignore those and use Namor's high end feats instead! Even in their last fight he clearly incapacitated Wolverine for a whopping 2 seconds, and even though he failed to actually knock Wolveirne out which is what I'm arguing it's clearly proof that he CAN! 😠 "
Yeah okay... 🙄
Well, not to say I'm not exactly used to your foolishness by now but lets clear some crap up shall we?
Namor CAN use objects to fight against Wolverine, BUT it's unlikely that this type of strategy will tip the scales in his favor. Wolverine's already dodged Namor using said type of weapons and tanked it on another. It's not exactly compelling evidence that it's a sure bet victory for Namor once he gets his hands on a tree trunk.
Wolverine and his superhuman durability... yeah Wolverine barely has superhuman durability at all (sans natural skeleton/claws) but that's hardly relevant as it's not superhuman durability that allows Wolverine to take class 100 blows, it's the durability of his Adamantiumized skeleton along with his healing factor and there's really not much point in arguing against those two factors as a useful tool for turning class 100 shots unless you actually WANT to look like a complete ass-hat who doesn't know what he's talking about.
Wolverine can tank class 100 shots, he's been doing it since before a healing factor or Adamantium bones were a part of his character. He can tank Namor's punches.
The difference between Namor KOing Hulk, or BBB and Wolverine tanking class 100 shots is thus: One is a character attribute that's been established over 100 times in a majority of one's career and hardly stands as a "high end feat" but instead the norm, the other has happened several times in a longer spanning career with multiple counter evidence to clearly deem it as luck, PIS, or well.... unlikely at best.
And, frankly, if the best you can pull up in Namor's favor, where it concerns Wolverine... is having an amped Namor knock Wolverine down for 1 or 2 panels while Wolverine's still smiling, beginning to or in the process of: getting up, and talking whole paragraphs of trash.....?......
Well then I think Wolverine's probably gonna be okay... ESPECIALLY since, this fight isn't going to be stopped by professor X, and Namor's had at least two other fights where he's successfully knocked Logan down only to end up skewered and in need of rescue by his allies.
Bottem line:
- Wolverine CAN and is likely to tank whatever blows Namor manages to hit him with (typical representation).
- Wolverine CAN and is likely to land more hits more often than Namor.
- Namor CAN'T or isn't at all likely to tank those hits without going down for a tko count AT LEAST. At best, he gets hit with one jab to the face and he's done for completely.
- Wolverine can sustain damage mid-fight without having to retreat to heal, Namor cannot.
- Wolverine's likely faster than Namor going by panel narrative.
- Going by Namor's own opinion he can't beat a non-mind controlled Wolverine in a fair fight.
Namor can not and will not be likely to win this fight in a melee exchange. It's possible that he can use the environment to his advantage but that's really a toss up game of who wins out between Namor's strength and Wolverine's stealth and all falls down to personal preference really. Can a hunter trap a lion if the lion knows it's a trap? I dunno. Too many variables to consider anything with certainty.
Originally posted by jinzinWrong.
Lol I love the ridiculous one sidedness of this argument-type."All you guys wanna do is play off Wolverine's high end feats! Lets ignore those and use Namor's high end feats instead! Even in their last fight he clearly incapacitated Wolverine for a whopping 2 seconds, and even though he failed to actually knock Wolveirne out which is what I'm arguing it's clearly proof that he CAN! 😠 "
Yeah okay... 🙄
Well, not to say I'm not exactly used to your foolishness by now but lets clear some crap up shall we?Namor CAN use objects to fight against Wolverine, BUT it's unlikely that this type of strategy will tip the scales in his favor. Wolverine's already dodged Namor using said type of weapons and tanked it on another. It's not exactly compelling evidence that it's a sure bet victory for Namor once he gets his hands on a tree trunk.
Wolverine and his superhuman durability... yeah Wolverine barely has superhuman durability at all (sans natural skeleton/claws) but that's hardly relevant as it's not superhuman durability that allows Wolverine to take class 100 blows, it's the durability of his Adamantiumized skeleton along with his healing factor and there's really not much point in arguing against those two factors as a useful tool for turning class 100 shots unless you actually WANT to look like a complete ass-hat who doesn't know what he's talking about.
Wolverine can tank class 100 shots, he's been doing it since before a healing factor or Adamantium bones were a part of his character. He can tank Namor's punches.
The difference between Namor KOing Hulk, or BBB and Wolverine tanking class 100 shots is thus: One is a character attribute that's been established over 100 times in a majority of one's career and hardly stands as a "high end feat" but instead the norm, the other has happened several times in a longer spanning career with multiple counter evidence to clearly deem it as luck, PIS, or well.... unlikely at best.
And, frankly, if the best you can pull up in Namor's favor, where it concerns Wolverine... is having an amped Namor knock Wolverine down for 1 or 2 panels while Wolverine's still smiling, beginning to or in the process of: getting up, and talking whole paragraphs of trash.....?......
Well then I think Wolverine's probably gonna be okay... ESPECIALLY since, this fight isn't going to be stopped by professor X, and Namor's had at least two other fights where he's successfully knocked Logan down only to end up skewered and in need of rescue by his allies.
Bottem line:
- Wolverine CAN and is likely to tank whatever blows Namor manages to hit him with (typical representation).
- Wolverine CAN and is likely to land more hits more often than Namor.
- Namor CAN'T or isn't at all likely to tank those hits without going down for a tko count AT LEAST. At best, he gets hit with one jab to the face and he's done for completely.
- Wolverine can sustain damage mid-fight without having to retreat to heal, Namor cannot.
- Wolverine's likely faster than Namor going by panel narrative.
- Going by Namor's own opinion he can't beat a non-mind controlled Wolverine in a fair fight.Namor can not and will not be likely to win this fight in a melee exchange. It's possible that he can use the environment to his advantage but that's really a toss up game of who wins out between Namor's strength and Wolverine's stealth and all falls down to personal preference really. Can a hunter trap a lion if the lion knows it's a trap? I dunno. Too many variables to consider anything with certainty.
Originally posted by jinzin
Lol I love the ridiculous one sidedness of this argument-type."All you guys wanna do is play off Wolverine's high end feats! Lets ignore those and use Namor's high end feats instead! Even in their last fight he clearly incapacitated Wolverine for a whopping 2 seconds, and even though he failed to actually knock Wolveirne out which is what I'm arguing it's clearly proof that he CAN! 😠 "
Yeah okay... 🙄
Well, not to say I'm not exactly used to your foolishness by now but lets clear some crap up shall we?Namor CAN use objects to fight against Wolverine, BUT it's unlikely that this type of strategy will tip the scales in his favor. Wolverine's already dodged Namor using said type of weapons and tanked it on another. It's not exactly compelling evidence that it's a sure bet victory for Namor once he gets his hands on a tree trunk.
Wolverine and his superhuman durability... yeah Wolverine barely has superhuman durability at all (sans natural skeleton/claws) but that's hardly relevant as it's not superhuman durability that allows Wolverine to take class 100 blows, it's the durability of his Adamantiumized skeleton along with his healing factor and there's really not much point in arguing against those two factors as a useful tool for turning class 100 shots unless you actually WANT to look like a complete ass-hat who doesn't know what he's talking about.
Wolverine can tank class 100 shots, he's been doing it since before a healing factor or Adamantium bones were a part of his character. He can tank Namor's punches.
The difference between Namor KOing Hulk, or BBB and Wolverine tanking class 100 shots is thus: One is a character attribute that's been established over 100 times in a majority of one's career and hardly stands as a "high end feat" but instead the norm, the other has happened several times in a longer spanning career with multiple counter evidence to clearly deem it as luck, PIS, or well.... unlikely at best.
And, frankly, if the best you can pull up in Namor's favor, where it concerns Wolverine... is having an amped Namor knock Wolverine down for 1 or 2 panels while Wolverine's still smiling, beginning to or in the process of: getting up, and talking whole paragraphs of trash.....?......
Well then I think Wolverine's probably gonna be okay... ESPECIALLY since, this fight isn't going to be stopped by professor X, and Namor's had at least two other fights where he's successfully knocked Logan down only to end up skewered and in need of rescue by his allies.
Bottem line:
- Wolverine CAN and is likely to tank whatever blows Namor manages to hit him with (typical representation).
- Wolverine CAN and is likely to land more hits more often than Namor.
- Namor CAN'T or isn't at all likely to tank those hits without going down for a tko count AT LEAST. At best, he gets hit with one jab to the face and he's done for completely.
- Wolverine can sustain damage mid-fight without having to retreat to heal, Namor cannot.
- Wolverine's likely faster than Namor going by panel narrative.
- Going by Namor's own opinion he can't beat a non-mind controlled Wolverine in a fair fight.Namor can not and will not be likely to win this fight in a melee exchange. It's possible that he can use the environment to his advantage but that's really a toss up game of who wins out between Namor's strength and Wolverine's stealth and all falls down to personal preference really. Can a hunter trap a lion if the lion knows it's a trap? I dunno. Too many variables to consider anything with certainty.
This is KMC, we like to pretend that Wolverine's feats don't matter. Citing anything other then Wolverine being kicked in the face by a deer or punched in the throat by Daredevil will result in a warning. 😎
Originally posted by cdtm
Yeah, I meant to post in The New Jack Hustle, and it looks like this was open from who knows how long ago (I abuse Firefoxes ability to restore old sessions), so I posted in it by mistake...^_^ Sorry about that.
I actually do the same with the restore sessions thing.
And don't apologise; just pray for Dum Dum and Srank.
Originally posted by ColossusGrundy
Wolverine fans cling to hope in this one like Chicago Cubs fans............wont' ever happen.
Namor turns his brain to much with a few dozen shots to the head.
And while Namor is chaining together the dozens of haymakers he will need to put Wolverine down, Wolverine himself is doing what? Did Wolverine make an executive decision not to land the single shot it would take to drop Namor? Why? Get real buddy. Wolverine could be functionally retarded with only the ability to flail his arms wildly while Namor was hitting him, and as long as he had the same power set he would win. Unless Wolverine's battle plan is to stand there and let Namor punch him, without implementing any of his own attacks, Namor has no chance at winning, and since Wolverine isn't Ramapage Jackson, he will probably throw some punches.
Since differentiating between durability and a healing factor is far to difficult and confusing for a certain sub-section of posters, lets see if we can uncomplicated things a bit a use a blanket term for both powersets. Damage soak. Namor has much higher durability, Wolverine has a much higher degree of regeneration. Two different abilities, both working towards the same end, mainly how much damage the character can take, ie damage soak. The plain and simple of it is Wolverine's damage soak is higher than Namor's. Significantly higher. Not only is Wolverine's damage soak above Namor's but his damage output (Adamantium Claws > Super Strength punches) is higher as well... and unlike Namor, Wolverine's attacks actual completely bypass his enemies damage soak in this situation due to the intrinsic differences of high durability vs healing factor.
Wolverine has higher damage output, higher damage soak, and is faster / more skilled. It's not an incredibly complicated equation here. Wolverine wins. Easily. Very easily.