Namor, The Sub-Mariner vs Wolverine

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
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Like you see, his claws do not do much damage. Ane since Namor has the speed advantage, they will not hit him much.

I am ashamed of you, leonidas. 🙁

cry

me too . . .

in all honesty, i have the book where that scan is from. a couple things: first, i'd say namor actually dodged the bulk of that hit rather than appeared invulnerable to the claws. second, wolvie was being mind-controlled, so it's sort of null and void anyway. mind controlled guys never fight the same way.

one thing i heard mentioned earlier was namor electric attacks? 😕

i've never seen him use that power. if it is a reall power, and he is proficient with it, then he could certainly beat him. my whoe problem is that namor needs to go h2h to finish it, and wolvie would get some shots in despite namor's speed advantage. if he could hit him from range with electricity, that would be enough to tip things fully in namor's favor i think.

and don't forget dc, i still think namor wins most -- just not all . . .
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Originally posted by King KAM
anyone like me sig?

Nice , a little stretched but other then that fine ... who is it ?

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
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http://img389.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namorvswolv29zn.gif

Like you see, his claws do not do much damage. Ane since Namor has the speed advantage, they will not hit him much.

I am ashamed of you, leonidas. 🙁

seriously... daredevil's taken the same slash.. (yes it was a slash that namor got not a stab but a simple cut) and remained standing.. guess wolverine's claws don't work on him either 😕

he took the same type of slash in new invaders and was okay.. which he should be with his physiology... but wolverine's claws still work just fine... especially when stabbing.. like you know... when he stabbed namor... 🙂

Originally posted by jinzin
wolverine "laughs" at bullets.. that' not the point and you know it... what's harder to do? catch a torso sized missile that the human eye can egister.. or cutting a bullet with a diameter the size of your finger in half that the human eye can't register?

To my information it was a rocket dart. Have any proof where it says that it is as fast as a bullet?

Originally posted by jinzin
mcp #49..
marvel team up #117

"Mcp"?

Originally posted by jinzin
something that you'd need to prove first...

I've proven that he is fast enough to do that. Besides, was that feat about speed, or accuracy?

Originally posted by jinzin
I think it may have been classic... no mention of full speed... no mention thathe wasn't... but fair enough. that was later on.. wolverine nailed him in the throat using his skill that you think won't make much difference despite the fact that people using just skill have used that skill to make a difference and stand up to namor....

Fighting skills?

Originally posted by jinzin

for somebody who moves as fast as northstar it certainly didn't seem to help him much...

He got by suprise when Kitty phased...that fact that Kitty had time to phase said something about his speed...

Originally posted by jinzin
pretty much any time he's gone face to face with ogun... ogun's classified as a level 7 character.. it doesn't help him.

Show me a scan where Ogun fights at lightspeed and Wolverine dodges/defeats him.

Originally posted by jinzin
he won't have too... namor will be lucky to get half that many before he gets gutted...

One is enough...

Originally posted by jinzin
i have no problem admitting that.. but he's going to half to have the benefit of the doubt to do it without getting hurt.. wolverine's got more skill, and a longer reach... speed in terms of h2h is still debateable IMO. can namor keep sending logan away without being touched? I sincerely doubt it.

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Yeah, I would say so. Besides, Namor can catch and leap from meteor to meteor, his legs move quite fast.

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Meteor moving speed ranges .between Mach 32 and Mach 211...so he could just kick Wolverine away like nothing.

Originally posted by jinzin
yes.. his admantium skeleton and healing factor are substantial factors that help his durability levels.. for instance the slashes and stabs that he gave namor had namor almost admitting he would have been done for if us agent hadn't saved his ass... wolverine takes those kind of shots on a regular basis and is just fine...

He takes them, but he is not completely unaffected by them, like you seem to imply...

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Originally posted by jinzin
considering that they've helped other human fighters fight namor and it's helped them I fail to see how they won't help wolverine... 😕

It sure helped Cap:

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Namor goes easy on those that are weaker then he is.

Originally posted by jinzin
hey man he is your character him being an arrogant ass shouldn't come as much of a surprise...

Originally posted by DarkCrawler

And like I said, he is arrogant. But not stupid. If he dodges stuff in nearly every fight he is, why wouldn't he do the same with Wolverine?

If he is an arrogant ass, why didn't he let Warmachine just shoot at him with the machine gun:

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Why didn't he just let Captain America bump from him:

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Why didn't he decide to do the same with Spider-Man?

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Or Abomination?

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What about Sunfire:

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Why didn't he just let the sonic waves hit him?

http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/3664/namorfeat31lb.gif

Perhaps it would just have been better if the missiles had hit him?

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If he only had done the same with Iron Man...oh wait, he did (not my scan):

http://img284.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ironmanv1054184ru.jpg

It's a shame that Namor also dodged Hulk:

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So. Namor can dodge things. Why didn't he do the same with Wolverine? I have no friggin idea.

Originally posted by jinzin
you've done nothing more than show me that a human fighter can get his mits on namor.. considering wolverines "mits" that ain't a good thing 😕

Namor was not expecting his best friend to attack him...😕

Originally posted by jinzin
as for him kicking rogue out of the way... it was during the story where mariko was poisioned by viper and rogue offered to helm him find her assailants and a cure.... here....

Where does it say that he does that after the laser has been fired?

Nowhere.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler

"Mcp"?

Marvel Comics Presents...

Originally posted by jinzin
seriously... daredevil's taken the same slash.. (yes it was a slash that namor got not a stab but a simple cut) and remained standing.. guess wolverine's claws don't work on him either 😕

he took the same type of slash in new invaders and was okay.. which he should be with his physiology... but wolverine's claws still work just fine... especially when stabbing.. like you know... when he stabbed namor... 🙂

Oh yeah, the fight where the writer wrote Namor with IQ of an guy who fights first time in his life and does not know the meaning of the word: "dodge". 😉

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Marvel Comics Presents...

Ah.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
MCP - Marvel Comics Presents...

No , it's a new branch of wakandan resources

MC,Panthers. You get a free vibranium toy with every meal.

Originally posted by grey fox
No , it's a new branch of wakandan resources

MC,Panthers. You get a free vibranium toy with every meal.

They didn't let me in, because I wasn't colored 😮

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
To my information it was a rocket dart. Have any proof where it says that it is as fast as a bullet?

not the ame feat.. happend in anopther book ask 8888 about it he has the issue number...

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
"Mcp"?

marvel comics presents.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
I've proven that he is fast enough to do that. Besides, was that feat about speed, or accuracy?

have you?

and both... those fighting skills do come in handty despite what you'd like to believe..

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Fighting skills?

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
He got by suprise when Kitty phased...that fact that Kitty had time to phase said something about his speed...

that he's not faster than thought? 😕 yeah that's a good way to discredit his speed... 🙄 pffft...

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Show me a scan where Ogun fights at lightspeed and Wolverine dodges/defeats him.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
One is enough....

really? I mean hell several hasn't been enough in the past.. maybe he's gotten stronger over the last few months? 🙄

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=5393642

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Yeah, I would say so. Besides, Namor can catch and leap from meteor to meteor, his legs move quite fast.

which isn't something I'm disputing but speed with legs and speed in h2h are two different things.. as the wolverine vs. namor fights have proven...

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Meteor moving speed ranges .between Mach 32 and Mach 211...so he could just kick Wolverine away like nothing.

perhaps...

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
He takes them, but he is not completely unaffected by them, like you seem to imply....

savage hulk is stronger out of water than namor is... can you find pics of namor's punches affecting wolverine?

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Originally posted by DarkCrawler
"It sure helped Cap:

apparently so... again.. capjk posted links to an issue where cap downed namor with pressure points.. I'd say fighting ability helped plenty...

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
"Namor goes easy on those that are weaker then he is.

which would be a serious mistake on his part here..

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
"Being arrogant = unable to dodge? 🤨

or unwilling.. those are some nice pics.. now lets see some of him doing that to wolverine..

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Namor was not expecting his best friend to attack him...😕

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Where does it say that he does that after the laser has been fired?

Nowhere.

that was the point.. his senses were so accute he knew the laser was going to fire before it happened.. there's no explaination wolverine just chastizes rogue for not being careful...

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Oh yeah, the fight where the writer wrote Namor with IQ of an guy who fights first time in his life and does not know the meaning of the word: "dodge". 😉

"i don't like it, it didn't happen" 🙄

Originally posted by jinzin
"i don't like it, it didn't happen" 🙄

"If the character doesn't act like he has on every fight he has been, it is not valid."

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
"If the character doesn't act like he has on every fight he has been, it is not valid."

he's acted like that in every fight or incident involving wolverine or any other human level character.. it's valid

Originally posted by wolverine8888
no I correct draco. draco said it was nalpam but she clearly has no idea what nalpa, is. also it states it a nuke in the comic

Look, if you want people to take you seriously...just don't bring up the "Wolverine can take a nuke" thing. 🙄

Originally posted by Melnorme
Look, if you want people to take you seriously...just don't bring up the "Wolverine can take a nuke" thing. 🙄

Or cutting the Hulk. That don't look too good either.

Originally posted by jinzin
not the ame feat.. happend in anopther book ask 8888 about it he has the issue number...

I suppose you have seen the scan? Or the issue at least?

Originally posted by jinzin
marvel comics presents.

Yeah.

Originally posted by jinzin
have you?

and both... those fighting skills do come in handty despite what you'd like to believe..

I have. Don't say that you haven't read the pictures I have posted here.

You know, that would explain a lot...

Originally posted by jinzin
that he's not faster than thought? 😕 yeah that's a good way to discredit his speed... 🙄 pffft...

Shadowcat had time to react at his attack...Namor is faster in terms of thinking speed and moving speed then Shadowcat. If Shadowcat could react, how come Northstar couldn't?

For the sake of the plot...

Originally posted by jinzin
anytime he'sin astral form.. it's hard though as there's no reference to lightspeed specifically...

Does it state anything about lightspeed in the comic? Anything about fast speeds at all? It could me a handbook mistake, it wouldn't be nothing special.

Originally posted by jinzin
really? I mean hell several hasn't been enough in the past.. maybe he's gotten stronger over the last few months? 🙄

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One would be enough.

Originally posted by jinzin
kinda moot.. the fight isn't in the damn water... otherwise I'd be on your side...

I assume that Namor is straight from water, which means he would be as fast here as he would be on water. Faster, actually, multiple times, since there is no pressure on land.

Originally posted by jinzin
which isn't something I'm disputing but speed with legs and speed in h2h are two different things.. as the wolverine vs. namor fights have proven...

What they have proven?

The latest fight proved that the writer had not researched Namor comics att all...

Originally posted by jinzin
perhaps...

Most defenitely.

Originally posted by jinzin
savage hulk is stronger out of water than namor is... can you find pics of namor's punches affecting wolverine?

Namor is nearly as strong as Savage Hulk is. Fresh from water, he is strong enough to knock out Savage Hulk.

Originally posted by jinzin
apparently so... again.. capjk posted links to an issue where cap downed namor with pressure points.. I'd say fighting ability helped plenty...

Well show me it.

It would be kind of impossible for someone with human strenght to take out Namor with pressure points. Logically they should not affect him at all since everything in him is thousands of times more durable then normal humans...

Originally posted by jinzin
which would be a serious mistake on his part here..

No CIS. They fight to their full potential.

Originally posted by jinzin
or unwilling.. those are some nice pics.. now lets see some of him doing that to wolverine..

So showing him pics dodging things that are faster then Wolverine is not enough?

Originally posted by jinzin
really? looks like namor is coming from behind cap in that pic... what issue?

Namor v2 #57.

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Originally posted by jinzin
that was the point.. his senses were so accute he knew the laser was going to fire before it happened.. there's no explaination wolverine just chastizes rogue for not being careful...

So what does that to have to do with speed? He knows that the laser was about to be fired. He knows it before that.

Spider-Man is not faster then Flash, just because he knows what is going to happen...

And Namor dodges lasers while being weakened to near fainting and from close range:

http://img477.imageshack.us/img477/3143/namorspeedfeat296wp.gif

Originally posted by jinzin
he's acted like that in every fight or incident involving wolverine or any other human level character.. it's valid

But won't have anything in this fight. No PIS/CIS on forum fights.

And Namor has dodged things that were not fatal to him. Such as machine gun fire or bullets fired by humans.

So I don't see no reason why he wouldn't dodge something that could kill him.

Originally posted by MuffinmanMike
Or cutting the Hulk. That don't look too good either.

😂

so much for using feats as your standard of evidence... so then.. what ARE you using? 🤨

Every time Wolverine fights a person who is stronger, faster etc than him and loses, its PIS/CIS. Sad thing is, almost EVERYTIME Wolverine fights someone who is faster/stronger, they wind up fighting almost like a complete idiot or not to their full abilities. We cant blame the characters, its the writers. Its easy for the fans to say "Wolverine wins cause hes got a healing factor, blah blah." And because thats what happens in most of his fights, it looks as if thats actually the case. However, the punishment Wolverine takes should overload his healing factor about 90% of the time.

Flash is obviously the fastest hero on foot, yet hes always getting tagged by his rogues. Now because that always happens, would it be a accurate statement to say "Flash isnt that fast, cause someones always hitting him." or "Flash can be beat by this person, because this guy has hit him before."? Almost every fight with Flash is PIS/CIS, yet most of us know that written to the fullest of abilities, hed beat just about anyone. Yet it doesnt happen.

Written to their fullest abilities that arent PIS/CIS, Wolverine shuold lose to powerhouses such as Hulk and Namor all the time. How can a healing factor work so fast and efficient when getting hit by 100cl characters? Sabertooth, Deadpool and Hulk all have better healing factors than Wolverine. Everytime he gets multiple hits from these 100cl people, it should overload his "healing factor" and ko him.

Surprisingly, being punched or hit with objects from 100cl characters doesnt ko him, yet bullets do. Go figure. 🙁

Namor wins.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
I suppose you have seen the scan? Or the issue at least?

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
I have. Don't say that you haven't read the pictures I have posted here.

of course I've read them.. thanks for the boast of confidence.. 🙄

as I said it's a feat that uses both speed and skill I'm not so sure this has been proven that namor could easily do the same...

I'm simply calling it into question. as you have done with so many of our proofs...

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Shadowcat had time to react at his attack...Namor is faster in terms of thinking speed and moving speed then Shadowcat. If Shadowcat could react, how come Northstar couldn't?

what draws you to this conclusion? he's have to move fast enough to leave an after image, or appear as if he was a teleporter to be capible of what you just described.. 🤨

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
For the sake of the plot...

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Does it state anything about lightspeed in the comic? Anything about fast speeds at all? It could me a handbook mistake, it wouldn't be nothing special.

i just told you... no...

a mistake... level 7 on anyone iwould be a pretty big mistake to make...

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
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One would be enough..

not only was that the third or forth blow wolverine took in that fight... but it was the goddamn SAVAGE hulk... that doesn't prove namor can do the same with one hit... AT ALL... 🤨

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
I assume that Namor is straight from water, which means he would be as fast here as he would be on water. Faster, actually, multiple times, since there is no pressure on land.

then we need some clarification.. I assumed not...

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
What they have proven?

aside from speed with legs and speed in h2h are two different things? 😕

that wolverine is fast enough to hit namor.. multiple times..

that wolverine's fighting skills do help...

that his claws are very dangerous to namor..

that he can take namor's shots and just keep coming like nothing happened....

that he can stalemate namor...

that namor has to resort to plot devices when fighting logan...

that he can beat namor and kill him....

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Most defenitely
perhaps...

[QUOTE=5583521]Originally posted by DarkCrawler
[B]Namor is nearly as strong as Savage Hulk is. Fresh from water, he is strong enough to knock out Savage Hulk.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Well show me it.

I'd love to.. however cptjk won't reply to my emails and I'm not shifting through 400 pages to find one reference to one incident... if anyone else knows what I'm talking about please post it...

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
It would be kind of impossible for someone with human strenght to take out Namor with pressure points. Logically they should not affect him at all since everything in him is thousands of times more durable then normal humans...

this I actually agree with you here... but it does attest that humans can touch him.. kinda like dd did... if that's the case than he isn't too fast for wolverine.. especially when he's already proven not to be...

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
No CIS. They fight to their full potential..

uh-oh.... 😕

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
So showing him pics dodging things that are faster then Wolverine is not enough?

no not really... not when you have several examples of direct comparison that prove it's not enough.. in that same regard.. people dodge bullets all the time.. bullets are faster than wolverine? no? yet those same people have loads of trouble dodging wolverine.. wonder why? cause it's not the same thing...

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Namor v2 #57.

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Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Spider-Man is not faster then Flash, just because he knows what is going to happen...

go back and look at what I said before.. I said he picked up on it before the laser fired... it's a feat that tells how advanced his sense are.. they will most definitely help him hit namor.. cutting through bullets an' all...

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
And Namor dodges lasers while being weakened to near fainting and from close range:

http://img477.imageshack.us/img477/3143/namorspeedfeat296wp.gif

good feat... does this superscede logan dodging lasers though? no not really