Originally posted by jrodslam
Every time Wolverine fights a person who is stronger, faster etc than him and loses, its PIS/CIS. Sad thing is, almost EVERYTIME Wolverine fights someone who is faster/stronger, they wind up fighting almost like a complete idiot or not to their full abilities. We cant blame the characters, its the writers. Its easy for the fans to say "Wolverine wins cause hes got a healing factor, blah blah." And because thats what happens in most of his fights, it looks as if thats actually the case. However, the punishment Wolverine takes should overload his healing factor about 90% of the time.Flash is obviously the fastest hero on foot, yet hes always getting tagged by his rogues. Now because that always happens, would it be a accurate statement to say "Flash isnt that fast, cause someones always hitting him." or "Flash can be beat by this person, because this guy has hit him before."? Almost every fight with Flash is PIS/CIS, yet most of us know that written to the fullest of abilities, hed beat just about anyone. Yet it doesnt happen.
Written to their fullest abilities that arent PIS/CIS, Wolverine shuold lose to powerhouses such as Hulk and Namor all the time. How can a healing factor work so fast and efficient when getting hit by 100cl characters? Sabertooth, Deadpool and Hulk all have better healing factors than Wolverine. Everytime he gets multiple hits from these 100cl people, it should overload his "healing factor" and ko him.
Surprisingly, being punched or hit with objects from 100cl characters doesnt ko him, yet bullets do. Go figure. 🙁
Namor wins.
that's the poitn i was trying to make earlier. pis/cis is attributed to a character when a character is shown doing something he/she doesn't do CONSISTENTLY. if it IS consistent, than it can't be cis/pis, as much as it doesn't make sense. flash IS missed by a LOT of opponents, and usually there is some sort of PLOT device. wolvie doesn't usally have plot devices. he just . . . takes a beating. cis? how, when he does this consistently against high cl opponents? hulk. abomination. roughhouse. wendigo. wrecker.
i am NOT saying i agree with the depiction, just that it is hard to argue with jin et al., because in essence they are RIGHT -- wolvie's feats ARE consistent, and i just don't see how you can label a consistent feat as cis. you can label it as ridiculous. you can say you don't like the way it is shown and should be changed. but it can't -- by definition -- be cis.
Originally posted by Melnorme
Well, do you think Wolverine can take a nuke that falls directly on him?
no I don't ....
I don't think he can regenrate from a single cell..
nor do I think he should survive in space
or in the sun..
or revive from decapitation..
or regenerate after all the skin's been blown off his sekeleton.. but hey whatyaknow.. he's done all these things.. 😕
that's not the point though... the question is what's acceptable in terms of consistency... wolverine's cut hulk many many many times.... hulk knows wolverine can cut him, hulk says wolverine can cut him. if you're going to ignore that then you're ignoring a consistent feat which has no reasoning to be deemed pis other than the fact that people don't like it happening...
and i don't think anyone is saying he is beyond being ko'd. thing has done it (that BONK on top of the head was one of the best things ever!!) and guardian has ko'd him. it just isn't that easy, and when ben did it logan was mildly staggered, and guardian did it because he had shields logan couldn't penetrate.
was that a . . . moose . . . 😑
oh, and the point of the scans -- if cap can put up a fight and has no real way of harming him, wolvie can do the same to be sure. wolvie can certainly take more physical abuse than cap, + he has his claws which can do a great deal of harm to namor.
<<if you're going to ignore that then you're ignoring a consistent feat which has no reasoning to be deemed pis other than the fact that people don't like it happening...>>
yep
🙁
Originally posted by Melnorme
Yes, he was.You still haven't answered my question.
really? you have the next scan? and was that definitely an animal? (I seem to recall a shapeshifter in that arc)
in either case that's the less consistent feat.. now why is it that the feats that make wolvie look bad are the ones acceptable to be used? hmmmm.... doesn't have anything to do with anti-bias does it? 😉
anywho.... yes I did answer your question... there you go unable to follow the trains again.. here:
Originally posted by jinzin
no I don't ....I don't think he can regenrate from a single cell..
nor do I think he should survive in space
or in the sun..
or revive from decapitation..
or regenerate after all the skin's been blown off his sekeleton.. but hey whatyaknow.. he's done all these things.. 😕
that's not the point though... the question is what's acceptable in terms of consistency... wolverine's cut hulk many many many times.... hulk knows wolverine can cut him, hulk says wolverine can cut him. if you're going to ignore that then you're ignoring a consistent feat which has no reasoning to be deemed pis other than the fact that people don't like it happening...