Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Do you know what "pressure" means? It's when the water is weighing down on you. Ever swam really deep and noticed how hard it is to move?Well, Namor lifted that 2000 ton destroyer in Atlantis which is about one-two miles from the sea-level, give or take, let's say one mile. The pressure there would be 2 290 psi, which would translate to 1,610 tons extra weight on that destroyer, coming at all sides. So, in theory, Namor lifted more then 2000 tons.
Pressure affects an object from all sides. Not just downwards. Things don't weigh more the deeper you go. 😉
Originally posted by Melnorme
Pressure affects an object from all sides. Not just downwards. Things don't weigh more the deeper you go. 😉
Oh. I guess I was wrong then. 😮
But in theory, wouldn't you need to be somehow stronger to be able to operate in deep pressures, so wouldn't it mean that there is more above concetrated on you when you go deeper?
What if you would lift something in the bottom of Mariana's Trench? Let's assume that you could survive at there and be as strong as you are on ground. Could you lift it with the same ability?
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Oh. I guess I was wrong then. 😮But in theory, wouldn't you need to be somehow stronger to be able to operate in deep pressures, so wouldn't it mean that there is more above concetrated on you when you go deeper?
What if you would lift something in the bottom of Mariana's Trench? Let's assume that you could survive at there and be as strong as you are on ground. Could you lift it with the same ability?
nope
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Oh. I guess I was wrong then. 😮But in theory, wouldn't you need to be somehow stronger to be able to operate in deep pressures, so wouldn't it mean that there is more above concetrated on you when you go deeper?
What if you would lift something in the bottom of Mariana's Trench? Let's assume that you could survive at there and be as strong as you are on ground. Could you lift it with the same ability?
You do have more resistance, because the material you are moving through is denser. But I don't think this translates to more weight per se. It would be harder to move something around, just as it's easier for planes to go faster at higher altitudes than at sea level. So, in a way, you are right. It would probably be a trickier feat than "merely" picking up a destroyer out of water.
QUOTE=5608318]Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Still grasping into that piece of badly written comic, jinzin? ❌ [/QUOTE]
still ignoring solid evidence that obliterates your argument?
Originally posted by DarkCrawlersubjective reasons from someone very partial to namor.. which have all been reasonably argued back...
That's all you have? Even though I have given reasons why it is badly-written?
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
After all these pages, you still say "he already defeated him once in a comic, so why are we debating!".
strawman.. not my argument.. I just don't think 2 good showings vs. namor and one victory should be ignored as easily as you're doing right now.. it's a copout...
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Well...Captain Cold has defeated Flash...why are people debating...
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Why do I need to post this over and over?"Plot Induced Stupidity, or PIS, is when characters don't use their abilities or skills to the fullest extent as shown before, even within their personality ranges, for the sake of the story plotline. It makes lesser powered characters an actual challenge against higher powered characters in the comics. Examples of PIS include Flash stories lasting longer than three panels, or Toy Man as a threat to Superman."
why do I?
When someone argues that they have seen evidence of something but that the evidence doesn't count because that character "shouldn't be able to do that" they need to re-think the premise of thier conclusion. A characters abilities are based on what he or she demonstrates he or she can do, not on what someone thought they could do at one time.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Namor hits Wolverine two times. All that happens to Wolverine is his head being thrown back a little.Namor's punches have moved the likes of: Silver Surfer, Hulk, battleships, fighter jets, cars, trucks...but they did not move Wolverine.
Conclusion: [b]Namor was not hitting Wolverine nowhere close to full power, thus: NOT USING HIS POWERS TO FULL EXTENT.
." [/B]
-namor hits downwards on an adamntium skull that hurts the hands of brick fighters, on wolverine in a grounded stance...
-your argument's already been refuted by srank on this one
-and finally holding back was later disproved by namor's resort to a plot device for the win...
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Wolverine slashes Namor and it seems to cause incredible pain to him.Namor has amazing pain resistance. He has carried Toro, who was going to supernova, to the water to save his life, [b]even though he has special weakness to heat
. He has continued fighting with gaping sword hole on his chest. He carried his friend to Atlantis and refused to fall down until his friend was safe. One slash should not have hurt THAT much. And he has even taken slashes from Wolverine before, and didn't seem to be hurt at all. [/B]
actually the slash wasn't that severe... it was the slash, the stab, and the gutting that seemed to do the trick 😉
none of your examples are quite on that level and the amount of adrenaline changes a person's pain threshold..
the "one slash" from the previous fight appears to be a glancing blow..
hell daredevil's stood up to that.. dd must NECESSARILY be as durable as namor.. 🙄
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Namor should have been able to dodge that slash. He has dodged things that are ten times as fast. He has dodged slashes from Wolverine before. He just stands there as Wolverine slashes him.
wasn't just standing there.. he was getting hit midfight.. that's what happens in fights.. people TRADE blows... 🤨
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Namor seems to struggle with HALF A TON PIECE OF STEEL. He says "unhh" when lifting that. Namor was lifting things like that as an kid. He has shoved an battleship to safety, lifted ships that weigh over hundred thousand tons, thrown and tank that weighs fifty tons miles in the air...and swinging one piece of steel is hard to him. 🤨
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Namor tries to talk peacefully with an man [b]who just murdered his friend and advisor! What the hell?! The REAL Avenging Son would be just flurry of fists at Wolverine right now. He would not give an murderer a chance to breath, he would just hammer away until his enemy would dead/near to death. The murderer of his wife was nearly a bloodied mass on the floor if Susan Storm had not stopped Namor, and the murderer was a woman. I wonder why Namor would pity an short, hairy man so much that he wouldn't kill him in the first minute?
first off, you're comparing an advisor he didn't like in the first place.... to his wife?
second off..
he wasn't taking pity.. just trying to figure out what was going on with wolverine (who he recognizes as a hero).
the rest of the fight didn't have him standing around as you so claim so why keep saying it?
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Namor is still talking to Wolverine. He lands down on the ground and puts his fists on uncertain position that almost screams: "I don't know a shit about fighting, even though I am nearly a hundred year old!".
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Namor stands in one place, even though Wolverine is going at the oil tank first, which would have given him lot of time to dodge. No. He stands in one place, and even removes his fist from to way to give Wolverine a clear chance to stab him. 😂
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Seven instances of Namor acting unlike he usually acts on comics...hmm...bad writing truly is a fitting word here.
Originally posted by DarkCrawleryou should probably look back to your post that I quoted you on to find that... 😉
And when have I said that Namor is never written correctly? 🤨
now seriously... I don't know what the hell your on this rant for.. I've already said.. given the scenario.. and given the plot devices available... namor wins more than he loses... so why are you so quick to argue with me again? getting lonely or something?
I simply don't agree with how easily you cast off the incident because you deem it to be pis when it can (and has frankly) be argued either way...
for instance.. I didn't think dd could beat wolverine before... in light of plentiful evidence.. I am now in doubt.. I don't agree with either example of dd being victorious.. but I don't brush them off because I disagree.... honestly now. it just seems like your arguing at this point for the sake of it
All I'm saying that someone not going flying isn't Pis byt that toekn any number of bricks who've fought Namor shoulld have sent him miles away with every blow and vice versa. Comic book physics don't seem to work that way.
What deosn't make sense is Wolverine not feeling a blow from Namor when he has certainly felt less.
You don't use physics the way the do in the real world, you assume that the rules of physics apply where they have not been specifically negated by consistent comic book physics. I.E people don't go flying every hit even though they should, I.E Namor smimming speed doens't translate to super speed cause they are two different abilites.
For the record I think Namor dfeats him by sacrificing a few slashes to get a bear hug then Headbutting him unconcious. True Logan's metal skull will make him a little dizzy but an average of Wolverine's durability would indicate that it is suffecient to Knock him out.
Originally posted by Warmonger
All I'm saying that someone not going flying isn't Pis byt that toekn any number of bricks who've fought Namor shoulld have sent him miles away with every blow and vice versa. Comic book physics don't seem to work that way.What deosn't make sense is Wolverine not feeling a blow from Namor when he has certainly felt less.
You don't use physics the way the do in the real world, you assume that the rules of physics apply where they have not been specifically negated by consistent comic book physics. I.E people don't go flying every hit even though they should, I.E Namor smimming speed doens't translate to super speed cause they are two different abilites.
For the record I think Namor dfeats him by sacrificing a few slashes to get a bear hug then Headbutting him unconcious. True Logan's metal skull will make him a little dizzy but an average of Wolverine's durability would indicate that it is suffecient to Knock him out.
It would be relatively simple matter for Wolverine to dig his claws into Namor side and open him up from his waist to his neck in a bare hug...
Originally posted by Warmonger
In a bear hug the elbows are pinned to the waist. Considering the massive strength difference Wolverine is not breadking out or even flexing his fore arms. Unlike a traditional bearhug this one isn't intened to break his back just keep him from moving his arms.
He can still move his wrists and you know every thin below his elbow.
Originally posted by wolverine8888
most all 100 tons have those same feats
Um, how many "barely 100 ton" bricks do you know of that have KOed Hulk with one attack? Namor hit him so hard that he flew to a beach, landed, and reverted back to Banner. Namor lifted well over 100,000 tons worth of tanker. He demolished a freaking island while Magneto's big magnet thingy was pinning him to the ground. That's a LITTLE more than "barely 100". Need I remind you that Wolverine has a total of 2 strength feats? Wolverine is barely peak human. Anything that says otherwise is BS. 🙂
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
To be honest after 68 years of appearances the 2 dozen or so scans you have showed aren't even close to enough evidence to suggest that is Namor's average strength level.
Wolverine has 2 strength feats... Throwing a dumpster, weighing less than a ton, and holding an elevator for a few seconds. He's been a character for how long? Yup, anything above peak human is definitely PIS. Oh, and he's done bullet dodging how many times? maybe 5, 6? BS, he's been in thousands of comics. He can take shots from bricks? He can't have taken upper class 100 shots more than 50 times or so. That's probably less than 1% of his showings. All of it, pure bullcrap. Namor wins with a casual flick. 🙂
Oh, and when in a fluid, (gas or liquid) pressure is exerted from all sides. However, when in a liquid, pressure increases with depth, on all sides. So the top of an object has less pressure on it than the bottom. Hence, they feel lighter. Even at the bottom of the Marianas Trench.
Originally posted by Dizzle
Um, how many "barely 100 ton" bricks do you know of that have KOed Hulk with one attack? Namor hit him so hard that he flew to a beach, landed, and reverted back to Banner. Namor lifted well over 100,000 tons worth of tanker. He demolished a freaking island while Magneto's big magnet thingy was pinning him to the ground. That's a LITTLE more than "barely 100". Need I remind you that Wolverine has a total of 2 strength feats? Wolverine is barely peak human. Anything that says otherwise is BS. 🙂Wolverine has 2 strength feats... Throwing a dumpster, weighing less than a ton, and holding an elevator for a few seconds. He's been a character for how long? Yup, anything above peak human is definitely PIS. Oh, and he's done bullet dodging how many times? maybe 5, 6? BS, he's been in thousands of comics. He can take shots from bricks? He can't have taken upper class 100 shots more than 50 times or so. That's probably less than 1% of his showings. All of it, pure bullcrap. Namor wins with a casual flick. 🙂
Oh, and when in a fluid, (gas or liquid) pressure is exerted from all sides. However, when in a liquid, pressure increases with depth, on all sides. So the top of an object has less pressure on it than the bottom. Hence, they feel lighter. Even at the bottom of the Marianas Trench.
not really a fair assessment dizzle...
when does wolverine have to dodge bullets?
when does wolverine want to?
and how often does he even try?
how much does he succeed when he does try?
see the thing is, he doesn't need to dodge bullets.. so he doesn't... when he does, it's either for showing off, or because his healing factors already taxed or something's wrong with it.. but he does succeed when he tries.. and he does so on a consistent basis... you can't argue that him dodging bullets is pis because it's clearly not beyond his capability to do when he does try.. he just doesn't often have the need to be troubled by it...
as for taking class 100 shots.. you would have a point.. if all of his showings where fighting bricks... 😕
he fights bricks quite a bit and when he does he takes those shots and then some.. no sense in arguing it.. but because he doesn't fight bricks more than he has overall showing's it's pis? 🤨
sorry that argument simply doesn't work.