Namor, The Sub-Mariner vs Wolverine

Originally posted by jinzin
first off... again namor picked up plot devices.. likeit or not.. that's like picking up a bat cause your fists can't get the job done..

5% power argument nullified...

😂

That's how you nullified it? Man...I guess that when I smash flies with a stick, I guess that I can't kill them with my hands...

Just because Namor picked up a tree and decided to smash Wolverine with it, doesn't mean that he can't do the same with his hands and legs...especially when he already kicked Wolverine down on earlier panel...plus he has exerted far more force then he already has in either of their fights...

You didn't nullify anything.

Originally posted by jinzin
second.. wolverine dodges things faster than namor as well.. so namor can't hit wolverine either.. not by your logic...
but we all know that even the lowest street levelers get hit by other street levels in spite of consistently doding TONS of things far faster than ANY street level can dish out...

Namor's hands move fast enough to make a sculpture in a second. They propel him with speeds of Mach 8-10. And when swimming, hands move twice as fast as rest of your body...Namor also has showed that he moves with the speed of thought...easily. Oh yeah, and he has speedblitzed people multiple times.

Namor's speed >>> Wolverine's speed.

Originally posted by jinzin
brick fights are often inconsistant.. your pics about what namor can send flying prove nothing if he can't send other things flying the other half of the time.. i.e. black panther...

Answer is simple = He didn't punch Black Panther with the same power then he has punched others. If he would have punched them with the same force, they would have been splatted. Namor doesn't want to kill Black Panther...

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
😂

That's how you nullified it? Man...I guess that when I smash flies with a stick, I guess that I can't kill them with my hands...

Just because Namor picked up a tree and decided to smash Wolverine with it, doesn't mean that he can't do the same with his hands and legs...especially when he already kicked Wolverine down on earlier panel...plus he has exerted far more force then he already has in either of their fights...

You didn't nullify anything.

and you're delusional... wolverine staggers back.. we never see him hit the ground from that kick.. though I could see how bias eyes would blind you from that fact..

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Namor's hands move fast enough to make a sculpture in a second. They propel him with speeds of Mach 8-10. And when swimming, hands move twice as fast as rest of your body...Namor also has showed that he moves with the speed of thought...easily. Oh yeah, and he has speedblitzed people multiple times.

Namor's speed >>> Wolverine's speed.

namors underwater feats don't matter here.. water is a lifegiver to namor.. his power is augmented geometrically in water.. we all know this...

this fight's not underwater...
wolverine moves at the spee of thought too.. so does iron fist.. what does that prove?
wolverine's also speedblitzed people.. you're proving nothing...
hand feat was irregular... in that same fasion.. wolverine BEAT namor....

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Answer is simple = He didn't punch Black Panther with the same power then he has punched others. If he would have punched them with the same force, they would have been splatted. Namor doesn't want to kill Black Panther...

with the force you keep talking about.. any speed/momentum that he hit BP with would send BP off for miles..it didn't.

Originally posted by jinzin
and when that fails and they end up losing their fingers?

I like how everyone here thinks it's oh so easy to grab somone's wrist who's bearing bladed weapons with them.. the hell?

I was being somewhat flip, and my apologies to anyone who took offense. But one of the basics in knife-fighting--especially if your opponent is armed and you're not--is to gain control of your opponent's weapon/weapon hand, and the wrists are a good place for that. Wolverine could counter by withdrawing his claws, but he would still be manhandled unless he was skillful enough to break free...but I don't think Namor would wait around for that.

This is not a fair fight.

Answer is simple = He didn't punch Black Panther with the same power then he has punched others. If he would have punched them with the same force, they would have been splatted. Namor doesn't want to kill Black Panther...

Originally posted by Mindship
I was being somewhat flip, and my apologies to anyone who took offense. But one of the basics in knife-fighting--especially if your opponent is armed and you're not--is to gain control of your opponent's weapon/weapon hand, and the wrists are a good place for that. Wolverine could counter by withdrawing his claws, but he would still be manhandled unless he was skillful enough to break free...but I don't think Namor would wait around for that.

This is not a fair fight.

they're both skilled like crazy.. which is why I don't buy that "he could grab logans' wrists".. crap.

Originally posted by Tshern
Panther also has vibranium...

true.. but for a guy who can knock over a battleship... I mean how much do you think that suit can displace when a guy like captain america puts him down? or iron fist? or wolverine?

Though I still think Wolverine has the advantage in fighting skills, because he probably has trained longer and has a wider array of martial arts in his disposal.

Originally posted by jinzin
namor had to resort to a plot device... nuff said... ***** all you want.. doesn't change the fact that namor grabbed a weapon.

He did not "had to resort to it" you are saying like he was unable to hurt Wolverine at all. When on earlier panel, he kicked him down like nothing.

Originally posted by jinzin
and you're delusional... wolverine staggers back.. we never see him hit the ground from that kick.. though I could see how bias eyes would blind you from that fact..

Let's see...he was getting on his legs on the next panel...looks like he was on ground...

Originally posted by jinzin
namors underwater feats don't matter here.. water is a lifegiver to namor.. his power is augmented geometrically in water.. we all know this...

this fight's not underwater...
wolverine moves at the spee of thought too.. so does iron fist.. what does that prove?
wolverine's also speedblitzed people.. you're proving nothing...
hand feat was irregular... in that same fasion.. wolverine BEAT namor....

*Sigh* Water is Namor's natural habitat, not his lifegiver. And straight out from water Namor is as strong as underwater Namor, and Namor is straight out from this fight...

And like previously said, because of the pressure, he is FASTER on ground, especially when he is STRAIGHT FROM WATER.

Hand feat wasn't illregular at all. Nothing that hands moving with multiple mach speeds could not accomplish...

Originally posted by jinzin
with the force you keep talking about.. any speed/momentum that he hit BP with would send BP off for miles..it didn't.

Vibranium...plus Namor can actually restrain his power. Like he has done against Captain America, for example. And multiple other human beings.

LOOOOL this 74th page this should last about a half page wolverine has NO CHANCE!!

Not the only thread that has gone this far. Cap doesn't stand a chance against Wolverine and so forth, people are stubborn with their opinions...

Originally posted by Tshern
Not the only thread that has gone this far. Cap doesn't stand a chance against Wolverine and so forth, people are stubborn with their opinions...

Excatly. Only place where Cap exceeds Wolverine is agility. Agility alone doesn't make you win a battle...

Neither do fighting skills... 😉

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
He did not "had to resort to it" you are saying like he was unable to hurt Wolverine at all. When on earlier panel, he kicked him down like nothing.

Let's see...he was getting on his legs on the next panel...looks like he was on ground...

yes he did.. get over it...

wolverine's crouching.. he was that entire fight... fact is, we never see wolverine get kicked to the ground like your fanboy eyes want to make you believe.. we see him get staggered... that's it.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
*Sigh* Water is Namor's natural habitat, not his lifegiver. And straight out from water Namor is as strong as underwater Namor, and Namor is straight out from this fight...

and yet when he comments on his necessity for water while fighting tiger shark... 🙄

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
*And like previously said, because of the pressure, he is FASTER on ground, especially when he is STRAIGHT FROM WATER.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
*Hand feat wasn't illregular at all. Nothing that hands moving with multiple mach speeds could not accomplish...

oh how could I forget.. namor ALWAYS shows himself moving his hands at those speeds.. which is why no one EVER has dodged a namor punch 🙄

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
*Vibranium...plus Namor can actually restrain his power. Like he has done against Captain America, for example. And multiple other human beings.

You're right in both aspects. I'm not saying that Wolverine would win a majority or anything, just pointing out that Namor doesn't have all the advantages.

Originally posted by Tshern
Not the only thread that has gone this far. Cap doesn't stand a chance against Wolverine and so forth, people are stubborn with their opinions...

well it's hard not to be when WOLVERINE HAS EXACT EVIDENCE in his favor to support that he can beat namor.. namor on the other hand can't say the same for wolverine..

True dat, though I haven't seen those fights. It somehow sounds that Namor didn't go all out...

In an actual event... Namor would win this 10/10.

it's not like those weren't actual events.. 😕

Originally posted by Soleran
Or we can just mull through the days pitting a street level'r with claws up against Marvels strongest, smartest and most durable and garnering wins off physical feats alone...................LOL.

Yeah what I said right there!

I could give a hoot how much you want to represent Wolverine's fighting prowess against Namor..................bottom line is when Namor connects Wolverine takes a huge flying lesson and because he didn't that would be a huge PIS event unless of course Namor all of a sudden became as weak as I am strong when punching or kicking someone.

WEAK

Originally posted by jinzin
yes he did.. get over it...

No he didn't. His punches have been shown to be enough to hurt and even (in some cases) knock out the likes of Thing, Hulk, Nebulon, Beta Ray Bill, Thor, Hercules, Iron Man, Abomination, Super-Skrull, Attuma...all who are above Wolverine.

List of cases where he has hurt people above Wolverine in about every physical sense:

Pretty much countless.

And still you are claiming that he can't hurt Wolverine...and you base this on fights where Namor doesn't use 5% of the force he has shown before...basically you have two cases against my hundreds of scans. Not very good cards you have there.

He doesn't have to resort in plot devices to hurt Wolverine.

All he has to do, is actually punch him with more then a small fraction of the power he has exhibited in past.

Originally posted by jinzin
wolverine's crouching.. he was that entire fight... fact is, we never see wolverine get kicked to the ground like your fanboy eyes want to make you believe.. we see him get staggered... that's it.

It still looks like he is getting up from ground. Wolverine was still moving with two legs, even if he was on crouched position. On the second panel, he is cleary getting up...

Originally posted by jinzin
and yet when he comments on his necessity for water while fighting tiger shark... 🙄

but his strength increases/decreases geometrically without... so while he'll start out great how long would it last?

Long enough for the two seconds where he needs to punch Wolverine.

Originally posted by jinzin
oh how could I forget.. namor ALWAYS shows himself moving his hands at those speeds.. which is why no one EVER has dodged a namor punch 🙄

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I can recall about dozen instances where someone has dodged a Namor punch. Captain America has one out of the three fights they had have. Daredevil has none, if I recall right, he's commented how Namor "moved too fast" for him. Spider-Man has about four, but then again, he has Spider-Sense. Sea Leopard (one of his villains) was commented to be faster then him too.

So about ten or fifteen instances where someone has dodged his punches. Not bad for 67 years of career in comics, eh?

Originally posted by jinzin
this isn't a described capacility...

Him holding back his punches...? 🤨

Originally posted by jinzin
well it's hard not to be when WOLVERINE HAS EXACT EVIDENCE in his favor to support that he can beat namor.. namor on the other hand can't say the same for wolverine..

Does he have exact evidence against Namor who fights normally?