Originally posted by DarkCrawler
No he didn't. His punches have been shown to be enough to hurt and even (in some cases) knock out the likes of Thing, Hulk, Nebulon, Beta Ray Bill, Thor, Hercules, Iron Man, Abomination, Super-Skrull, Attuma...all who are above Wolverine.List of cases where he has hurt people above Wolverine in about every physical sense:
Pretty much countless.
And still you are claiming that he can't hurt Wolverine...and you base this on fights where Namor doesn't use 5% of the force he has shown before...basically you have two cases against my hundreds of scans. Not very good cards you have there.
He doesn't have to resort in plot devices to hurt Wolverine.
All he has to do, is actually punch him with more then a small fraction of the power he has exhibited in past.
who the hell said namor can't hurt wolvie?
NOBODY...
but the fact is.. namor had to resort to picking up plot devices.. to hit him with.. obviously he wasn't just using 5% of his power.. that rationale makes no sense whatsoever.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
It still looks like he is getting up from ground. Wolverine was still moving with two legs, even if he was on crouched position. On the second panel, he is cleary getting up...
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Long enough for the two seconds where he needs to punch Wolverine
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Originally posted by DarkCrawler
I can recall about dozen instances where someone has dodged a Namor punch. Captain America has one out of the three fights they had have. Daredevil has none, if I recall right, he's commented how Namor "moved too fast" for him. Spider-Man has about four, but then again, he has Spider-Sense. Sea Leopard (one of his villains) was commented to be faster then him too.So about ten or fifteen instances where someone has dodged his punches. Not bad for 67 years of career in comics, eh?
so he doesn't move his hands at those speeds consistantly during fights.... IRREGULAR... otherwise you'd never his hands moving in panals.. you'd just see blurs...
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Him holding back his punches...? 🤨
no him holding back his power...
you're trying to rationalize what's irrational.. it's comparible to saying oh well I didn't knock down that house of cards because I held back my punch.. everyone knows that any force applied would knockdown those cards compared to our strength nomatter how much we were holding back.. if we're throwing our arm out at a hoe of cards at any decent speed whatsoever doesn't matter how much we're holding back.. those cards falls..
same goes for any brick hitting anything that wieghs less than a dozen tons.... it should be sent flying regardless...
Originally posted by outarddwarf
if that were the case than every time colossus, thing, juggernaut, hulk or thor hit someone they would fly around too. I only remember once that that really happened and that was juggernaut versus captain brittan. That is a little wacky.
that's PRECISELY MY POINT though...
wolverine not flying from a namor punch doesn't prove anything.. brick fights are inconstistant as it is... but we all know that characters like hulk and juggs don't hold back on eachother because they're not making eachother go flying with every punch... it's irrational... yet because wolverine didn't go flying namor must have been holding back? pffft...
in spite of namor having to pick up a bat to hit wolerine with?
PPFFFFTTT!
Originally posted by jinzin
who the hell said namor can't hurt wolvie?NOBODY...
but the fact is.. namor had to resort to picking up plot devices.. to hit him with.. obviously he wasn't just using 5% of his power.. that rationale makes no sense whatsoever.
Again, picking something up and hitting someone isn't a mark that you can't just kick the shit out of that someone. It's simply an alternate way of fighting.
And yet again you are ignoring 60+ years of continuity and basing Namor's capabilities on two fights as compared to hundreds. I am afraid that majority wins...
Originally posted by jinzin
no he's not.. that's just what you want to believe... he's not "clearly" doing anything but crouching....
To me it looks like that he is getting up from ground.
Originally posted by jinzin
no offrense but it's going to take more than that to put logan out of this fight.
As Wonder Man showed us...not really that much.
Originally posted by jinzin
...so he doesn't move his hands at those speeds consistantly during fights.... IRREGULAR... otherwise you'd never his hands moving in panals.. you'd just see blurs...
Moving with that sculpturing hand speeds taxes him (although he was able to do it for pretty long time), so it's quite imaginable that he doesn't do it all the time. But he is perfectly capable of moving his hands with that speeds, as shown multiple times (missile catching, swimming with mach speeds etc.). I can show you the times.
Originally posted by jinzin
no him holding back his power...you're trying to rationalize what's irrational.. it's comparible to saying oh well I didn't knock down that house of cards because I held back my punch.. everyone knows that any force applied would knockdown those cards compared to our strength nomatter how much we were holding back.. if we're throwing our arm out at a hoe of cards at any decent speed whatsoever doesn't matter how much we're holding back.. those cards falls..
same goes for any brick hitting anything that wieghs less than a dozen tons.... it should be sent flying regardless...
But they are not sent flying. Hence, him holding back his powers. I don't punch people with same strength in every tussle I am in...
Or are you seriously trying to say that he punches guys like Daredevil with the same force as he punches guys like Hulk...? 😂
Originally posted by jinzin
that's PRECISELY MY POINT though...wolverine not flying from a namor punch doesn't prove anything.. brick fights are inconstistant as it is... but we all know that characters like hulk and juggs don't hold back on eachother because they're not making eachother go flying with every punch... it's irrational... yet because wolverine didn't go flying namor must have been holding back? pffft...
in spite of namor having to pick up a bat to hit wolerine with?PPFFFFTTT!
But when he has sent heavier and more durable characters flying with his punches...yes.
You are seriously trying to say that he is punching with same force on these instances?
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Again, picking something up and hitting someone isn't a mark that you can't just kick the shit out of that someone. It's simply an alternate way of fighting.
it's a way in which a weapon is used to do what someone could not.. he used both meathods... why would he irrationally pick something up to hit wolverine with unless.. oh that's right.. punches weren't doing the trick and they were putting him too close to those claws...
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
And yet again you are ignoring 60+ years of continuity and basing Namor's capabilities on two fights as compared to hundreds. I am afraid that majority wins...
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Moving with that sculpturing hand speeds taxes him (although he was able to do it for pretty long time), so it's quite imaginable that he doesn't do it all the time. But he is perfectly capable of moving his hands with that speeds, as shown multiple times (missile catching, swimming with mach speeds etc.). I can show you the times.
and wolverine's been shown to jump n rockets cut bullets out of the air and cut storms clothes while in mid flight.... doesn't mean street levels can't dodge the guy....
same applies here...
Originally posted by DarkCrawlerbut the cards do get knocked down...
But they are not sent flying. Hence, him holding back his powers. I don't punch people with same strength in every tussle I am in...
Originally posted by DarkCrawlernot what I'm saying at all.. you obviously couldn't follow along with the comparison...
Or are you seriously trying to say that he punches guys like Daredevil with the same force as he punches guys like Hulk...? 😂
Every powerhouse has sent people flying, but most of the time they don't. Comic sare inconsistent and as you yourself have said several times; it's worth assuming that the more common event takes place. Just like deducing that Namor is Class100.
and wolverine's been shown to jump n rockets cut bullets out of the air and cut storms clothes while in mid flight.... doesn't mean street levels can't dodge the guy....
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
But when he has sent heavier and more durable characters flying with his punches...yes.You are seriously trying to say that he is punching with same force on these instances?
in a word yes....
for instance.. hulk doesn't hold back...
that's certainly indicated by "hulk smash little man!"
but he doesn't send wolvie flying for miles every time he hits him... are you suggesting he washolding back?
cause by your logic, that's basically what it comes down to.
Originally posted by jinzin
in a word yes....for instance.. hulk doesn't hold back...
that's certainly indicated by "hulk smash little man!"
but he doesn't send wolvie flying for miles every time he hits him... are you suggesting he washolding back?
cause by your logic, that's basically what it comes down to.
But Hulk has sent Wolverine flying. And usually he smashes Wolverine on ground...again, I can't remember any instances where Hulk has shouted HULK SMASH and hit Wolverine as hard as he can. Hulk gets bored quite easily. And there are quite a lot instances where Wolverine flies when heavy hitter hits him...not miles, but then again that would make quite an odd comic, would it?
Here are few:
http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/3192/wolverinehits10qj.gif
http://img423.imageshack.us/img423/7051/wolverinehits78hs.gif
http://img423.imageshack.us/img423/4242/wolverinehits88qa.gif
And how do you explain people like Superman holding back, by the way? Because they do when fighting guys like normal humans. Spider-Man holds back all the time, but still defeats his enemies. Superman does, he still wins. And so does Namor. He isn't stupid, and he doesn't want to kill people.
Comic book heroes hold their powers back when fighting weaker characters, it's a fact too.
When they don't...
http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/2563/incrediblehulk118187ji.jpg
http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/3936/incrediblehulk118195ly.jpg
http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/9269/incrediblehulk118200el.jpg
http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/4384/incrediblehulk118211kg.jpg
Next you are going to claim that Namor hits Wolverine with the same force as he did there?
Originally posted by jinzin
it's a way in which a weapon is used to do what someone could not.. he used both meathods... why would he irrationally pick something up to hit wolverine with unless.. oh that's right.. punches weren't doing the trick and they were putting him too close to those claws...
The same punches that have hurt people so far above Wolverine that it isn't funny? The same claws that didn't hurt him at all?
Don't see any reason why a guy who can deck Beta Ray Bill has to resort in uprooting trees while fighting Wolverine...oh yeah...
"Plot Induced Stupidity, or PIS, is when characters don't use their abilities or skills to the fullest extent as shown before, even within their personality ranges, for the sake of the story plotline."
Originally posted by jinzin
I'm ignoring nothing.. your rationale is very one sided.. only namors feats count and only the majority of feats count.. unless the mojority includes namor losing? i.e. namor losing to wolverine.
In majority of time, Namor doesn't fight like that. In majority of time, Namor's speed is greater then shown in those fights. In majority of time, Namor's punches do more damage...see where I am going? Those fights don't count, because Namor doesn't really fight like that outside of those fights.
Originally posted by jinzin
and wolverine's been shown to jump n rockets cut bullets out of the air and cut storms clothes while in mid flight.... doesn't mean street levels can't dodge the guy....same applies here...
On forum fights, we are going by higher showings, so...they really doesn't-
Originally posted by jinzin
but the cards do get knocked down...not what I'm saying at all.. you obviously couldn't follow along with the comparison...
But not as bad as I would if I was hitting them with full force...a punch going with 5mph does a quite less damage then one going with mach speeds...would a boxer punch a normal guy as hard as he punches another boxer?
Does Superman punch Batman as hard as he punches Darkseid? 😂
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
But Hulk has sent Wolverine flying. And usually he smashes Wolverine on ground...again, I can't remember any instances where Hulk has shouted HULK SMASH and hit Wolverine as hard as he can. Hulk gets bored quite easily. And there are quite a lot instances where Wolverine flies when heavy hitter hits him...not miles, but then again that would make quite an odd comic, would it?Here are few:
http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/3192/wolverinehits10qj.gif
http://img423.imageshack.us/img423/7051/wolverinehits78hs.gif
http://img423.imageshack.us/img423/4242/wolverinehits88qa.gifAnd how do you explain people like Superman holding back, by the way? Because they do when fighting guys like normal humans. Spider-Man holds back all the time, but still defeats his enemies. Superman does, he still wins. And so does Namor. He isn't stupid, and he doesn't want to kill people.
Comic book heroes hold their powers back when fighting weaker characters, it's a fact too.
When they don't...
http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/2563/incrediblehulk118187ji.jpg
http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/3936/incrediblehulk118195ly.jpg
http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/9269/incrediblehulk118200el.jpg
http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/4384/incrediblehulk118211kg.jpgNext you are going to claim that Namor hits Wolverine with the same force as he did there?
you're not listening.. or following along at all and your missing every point that's made.. a few instances of people being sent flying by brick hits doesn't disprove or netage those other instances in which they don't go flying...
so hulk has sent wolverine flying... so what? has he done it every time? NO!... was heholding back the times that he didn't? HELL NO!
It's just a very easy way of coming to the conclussion that wolverine not flying by namors hits doesn't mean that namor was using 5% of his power...
same applies to superman and every other brick....
what your saying: namor must have held back because he didn't send wolverine flying
then that means hulk was holding back on a few of those occasions too... we all know that's not true...
Originally posted by jinzin
you're not listening.. or following along at all and your missing every point that's made.. a few instances of people being sent flying by brick hits doesn't disprove or netage those other instances in which they don't go flying...so hulk has sent wolverine flying... so what? has he done it every time? NO!... was heholding back the times that he didn't? HELL NO!
It's just a very easy way of coming to the conclussion that wolverine not flying by namors hits doesn't mean that namor was using 5% of his power...
same applies to superman and every other brick....
what your saying: namor must have held back because he didn't send wolverine flying
then that means hulk was holding back on a few of those occasions too... we all know that's not true...
I am saying that he was holding back because logically, he wouldn't punch someone who is closer to humans then him with force that topples battleships. As in holding back. Comics also prove that he holds back when fighting lesser powered characters...
Can I see where Hulk hits Wolverine with force and from angle where he could be sent flying and Logan stays in same place? Because all I remember is that glancing blow, and even then Logan flew few feet and was knocked out...
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
The same punches that have hurt people so far above Wolverine that it isn't funny?
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
The same claws that didn't hurt him at all?
Originally posted by DarkCrawlercause going in close h2h gets him carved up.. yknow like what actually happened... PIS... pffft.. I'm not surprised... 😂
Don't see any reason why a guy who can deck Beta Ray Bill has to resort in uprooting trees while fighting Wolverine...oh yeah...
Originally posted by DarkCrawlerlike wolverines?
In majority of time, Namor doesn't fight like that. In majority of time, Namor's speed is greater then shown in those fights. In majority of time, Namor's punches do more damage...
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
see where I am going? Those fights don't count, because Namor doesn't really fight like that outside of those fights.
and wolverine Never has a problem dicing up guys like hulk but you seem to think that the one time namor got lucky vs. a glancing blow from wolverine equates to logan can't hurt him in spite of evidence to the contrary.. see where I'm going? you're no less bias than anyone else here...
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
On forum fights, we are going by higher showings, so...they really doesn't-
unless it's wolverine right?...
cause if we did that..
wolverine>>>>sun
wolverine>>>hulk
wolerine>>>herc
wolverine>>>being beheaded
wolverine>>>>50,000 hydra members
wolverine>>>>atomic bomb
wolverine>>>NAMOR 😱
Originally posted by DarkCrawlerthat's a question of morality... but you're missing the point again.. those cards still fall...
But not as bad as I would if I was hitting them with full force...a punch going with 5mph does a quite less damage then one going with mach speeds...would a boxer punch a normal guy as hard as he punches another boxer?
namor obviously used a faster punch than 5MPH cause anything thrown at BP at 5MPH would NEVER hit the guy.. so he was obviously using speed... yet he didn't send BP flying... again.. people getting sent flying or not.. proves very little...
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Does Superman punch Batman as hard as he punches Darkseid? 😂
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
I am saying that he was holding back because logically, he wouldn't punch someone who is closer to humans then him with force that topples battleships. As in holding back. Comics also prove that he holds back when fighting lesser powered characters...Can I see where Hulk hits Wolverine with force and from angle where he could be sent flying and Logan stays in same place? Because all I remember is that glancing blow, and even then Logan flew few feet and was knocked out...
sure wolverine 145.. hulk tries to smack logan and it sends logan back like what 10 feet? guess hulk was holding back huh?
