Namor, The Sub-Mariner vs Wolverine

Originally posted by Thunderstrike
Uh, Namor usually whips Hulk, Jinzin. In fact, Hulk's only beaten him once or twice. Nice try. 😉

no he doesn't.. namor and hulk both trade a lot of blows with one another and the outcome's pretty even.. that said.. namor has had help in some of his fights with hulk, hulk has not... and the fights usually get broken up before they can be official.. but hulk's advantage is made pretty clear in many of those fights..

anyways.. your missing the point.. punisher's beaten hulk too.. so I guess hulk's no match for namor either right?

punisher beat hulk lol can somone post scans plz lol

Punisher beat Hulk in an alternate universe, and if he did beat Hulk in 616, he wouldn't be fighting Hulk. He'd sneak around, and cap Banner in the back of the head when he least expects it. I've quite literally read every single fight between Namor and Hulk. Hulk beat him once, in 1998. Punisher is a tactician. The fight between him and Wolverine was no tactics at all. Just a baseball bat to the nuts. Frank = Prep God.

As for Namor vs Wolverine, I could see Wolverine getting his licks in, but he's not going to win this. Namor 10/10

Oh, by the bye, you called PIS on Frank vs Wolvie, but you tell everyone else they can't call PIS in other comics. Practice what you preach, Jinzin.

Originally posted by Thunderstrike
Punisher beat Hulk in an alternate universe, and if he did beat Hulk in 616,

it was in 616.. punisher vol.4 issue 37-40.. punisher beats wolverine, hulk, and spiderman, until he's finally subdued by DD.

Originally posted by Thunderstrike
he wouldn't be fighting Hulk. He'd sneak around, and cap Banner in the back of the head when he least expects it.

that's not what happened....

Originally posted by Thunderstrike
I've quite literally read every single fight between Namor and Hulk. Hulk beat him once, in 1998.

and yet you seem to think that all the fights in which hulk was winning that were broken up don't count in hulk's favor?
again this is besides the point...

Originally posted by Thunderstrike
Punisher is a tactician. The fight between him and Wolverine was no tactics at all. Just a baseball bat to the nuts. Frank = Prep God.

actually frank used a lot of tactics... before the nutshot frank shot him in the face with a shotgun..

after the nutshot, he ran over him with a steamroller...

it wasn't just a shot to the nuts like you claim.. infact punisher was losing that fight up to the nutshot....

Originally posted by Thunderstrike
As for Namor vs Wolverine, I could see Wolverine getting his licks in, but he's not going to win this. Namor 10/10

Originally posted by Thunderstrike
Oh, by the bye, you called PIS on Frank vs Wolvie, but you tell everyone else they can't call PIS in other comics. Practice what you preach, Jinzin.

No I didn't... if your bitter ass thinks that I did why don't you try and quote me on it.. I said a-b-c logic doesn't always work... that doesn't equate to me calling PIS on it.. but like I said.. quote me...

can u scan it plz

scan what?

Originally posted by jinzin
it was in 616.. punisher vol.4 issue 37-40.. punisher beats wolverine, hulk, and spiderman, until he's finally subdued by DD.

that's not what happened....

and yet you seem to think that all the fights in which hulk was winning that were broken up don't count in hulk's favor?
again this is besides the point...

actually frank used a lot of tactics... before the nutshot frank shot him in the face with a shotgun..

after the nutshot, he ran over him with a steamroller...

it wasn't just a shot to the nuts like you claim.. infact punisher was losing that fight up to the nutshot....

wolverine's already proven he's got a 2/10 chance of winning this...

No I didn't... if your bitter ass thinks that I did why don't you try and quote me on it.. I said a-b-c logic doesn't always work... that doesn't equate to me calling PIS on it.. but like I said.. quote me...

Wolverine vs Spider-Man. You said that no one can claim PIS on their fights beforehand. You still say it to this day. Now you're a liar, and a fanboy. Congratulations, tooly.

Originally posted by Thunderstrike
Wolverine vs Spider-Man. You said that no one can claim PIS on their fights beforehand. You still say it to this day. Now you're a liar, and a fanboy. Congratulations, tooly.

are you dense?

SHOW ME WHERE I CLAIMED the fight with castle was PIS?
quote me...

I'm not lying about anything.. I didn't say that fight was PIS..I still haven't.... you think I'm lying.. quote me..

oh can anyone post scans of it plz the spidey worlver fight, by the way thunder i posted the daredevil sabertooth fight

Originally posted by jinzin
are you dense?

SHOW ME WHERE I CLAIMED the fight with castle was PIS?
quote me...

I'm not lying about anything.. I didn't say that fight was PIS..I still haven't.... you think I'm lying.. quote me..

It was over 100 pages ago and three weeks ago. You're trying to cover your tracks by calling me a liar, but you also denied saying that Superman would lose to Wolvenom, and I showed you that you were a liar. You were a liar then. You're a liar now. You always will be a liar. I've already handed you your butt on more than one occasion, Jinzin. You're still a tool.

Originally posted by Thunderstrike
It was over 100 pages ago and three weeks ago. You're trying to cover your tracks by calling me a liar, but you also denied saying that Superman would lose to Wolvenom, and I showed you that you were a liar. You were a liar then. You're a liar now. You always will be a liar. I've already handed you your butt on more than one occasion, Jinzin. You're still a tool.

bullshit.. now you're just making false claims with nothing to back them up, I'm well aware what I've made references to as PIS and I've never let my views on what is and isn't good writing detract from the fact that it has happened.. Like I said, quote me... you haven't been able to and maybe it's because you can't.. all you've done thus far is make tired excuses... I'm not impressed..

as for the wolvenom thing, when did I deny saying he could win? I DID say he could win and I explained how.. and when you made a spite thread about it to show my lack of intelligence and prove me as having no credibility I produced an argument for it- for which might I add, I was given both props and respect by onlookers AND opponents alike....
what did you do? insult me and state superman's name in hopes that that was enough.

handed me my butt? no.. you've tried to capitalize on one opinion I had when I came here as a noob... and that's all you've been able to do.. the fact that you keep reaching the bottem of the barrel to try and shove that in my face time and time again instead of keep yourself ON the point of what's actually being discussed, utterly proves that you can't handle me as I am today... I've humiliated you, proved you wrong time after time, and shown everyone how low your quality really is... you've simply helped me by making yourself look bad, in logic, in claims, and in character.... the only person you're "owning" around here is yourself really...

lol

Originally posted by jinzin
no he doesn't.. namor and hulk both trade a lot of blows with one another and the outcome's pretty even.. that said.. namor has had help in some of his fights with hulk, hulk has not... and the fights usually get broken up before they can be official.. but hulk's advantage is made pretty clear in many of those fights..

anyways.. your missing the point.. punisher's beaten hulk too.. so I guess hulk's no match for namor either right?

Hulk's never had any advantage when they fight 1 on 1. Namor's even stated in some fight that their strength is too equal...that's why he must rely on his speed.

Namor does against Hulk majorly better the Wolverine does...unlike against Wolverine, Hulk never uses the hit and run tactic against Namor. That is because Namor doesn't get down because of his punches...and unlike Wolverine, Namor has actually beaten Hulk. With pure physical force.

Originally posted by jinzin
bullshit.. now you're just making false claims with nothig to back them up, I'm well aware what I've made references to as PIS and I've never let my views on what is and isn't good writing detract from the fact that it has happened.. Like I said, quote me... you haven't been able to and maybe it's because you can't.. all you've done thus far is make tired excuses... I'm not impressed..

as for the wolvenom thing, when did I deny saying he would win? I DID say he would win and I explained how.. and when you made a spite thread about it to show my lack of intelligence and prove me as having no credibility I produced an argument for it- for which might I add, I was given both props and respect by onlookers AND opponents alike....
what did you do? insult me and state superman's name in hopes that that was enough.

handed me my butt? no.. you've tried to capitalize on one opinion I had when I came here as a noob... and that's all you've been able to do.. the fact that you keep reaching the bottem of the barrel to try and shove that in my face time and time again instead of keep yourself ON the point of what's actually being discussed, utterly proves that you can't handle me as I am today... I've humiliated you, proved you wrong time after time, and shown everyone how low your quality really is... you've simply helped me by making yourself look bad, in logic, in claims, and in character.... the only person you're "owning" around here is yourself really...

Oh really? If you're so intelligent, then why aren't you able to prove anyone wrong? Have you ever considered the fact that on a psychological level you are a crazy person thinking the world is crazy because it disagrees. Though sometimes popular consensus can be incorrect, in your situation on these boards, it's quite the opposite. Some people may have commended you for arguments, but you fail to mention who. You throw around plenty of opinion and bad logic, but at the end of the day you're still incorrect. You're just incorrect, but don't have the humility to beat it. In the case of Wolverine vs Namor, if Wolverine has troubles with people that Namor could manhandle, then why is it a question. Need I remind you of the fact that this is a no prep encounter. What does Frank Castle always have? Prep. Like I said before. Frank Castle is a prep god. He always has been. He always will be. Jinzin, I've proven your lack of credibility, but you tend to deny it because your ego is in the way. Truth be known, ABC logic doesn't always work in comics. However, those instances are always a question of powerset. In this case, Wolverine only has one advantage, and that is his claws. Skill's not much of a difference, because Namor's beaten plenty with skill. Namor is much more skilled than Wolverine. He's been raised a warrior. He's a warrior born, and a great strategist, which is commonly ignored. So, here's the question: When Namor throws Wolverine into the atmousphere, considering Namor can lift thousands of tons, how long will Wolverine last until he dies from lack of oxygen? This is bloodlust. Namor bloodlusted means he's gonna kill, and kill quickly. Wolverine only has claws and a healing factor. Namor's the king of the seas, and the only one worthy of shouting Imperious Rex. I have a feeling that Wolverine is screwed, no matter how much "evidence" you bring up. I'll leave you to Darkcrawler. He's got more patience than I do.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Hulk's never had any advantage when they fight 1 on 1. Namor's even stated in some fight that their strength is too equal...that's why he must rely on his speed.

Namor does against Hulk majorly better the Wolverine does...unlike against Wolverine, Hulk never uses the hit and run tactic against Namor. That is because Namor doesn't get down because of his punches...and unlike Wolverine, Namor has actually beaten Hulk. With pure physical force.

stop argueing guys plz, oh can u scan the fight then plz worlvy and spidey

Originally posted by Thunderstrike
Oh really?

Originally posted by Thunderstrike
If you're so intelligent, then why aren't you able to prove anyone wrong?

Originally posted by Thunderstrike
Have you ever considered the fact that on a psychological level you are a crazy person?

sanity is subjective... is there any really rational way to say it's sane to come and discuss logical reasons for ficticious characters to win fights using fantastical powers? that in and of itself sounds upsurd.

Originally posted by Thunderstrike
thinking the world is crazy because it disagrees.

Originally posted by Thunderstrike
Though sometimes popular consensus can be incorrect, in your situation on these boards, it's quite the opposite. Some people may have commended you for arguments, but you fail to mention who.

for one: because a few of them are ALREADY posted in the spite thread you made
for two: I don't like throwing names of people to prove a point without their permission.. they have their own voice and if they want themselves to be known they can easily do so themselves..

Originally posted by Thunderstrike
You throw around plenty of opinion and bad logic,

actually I throw around comic book feats using comic book logic..

logic runs on sets of various rules and principles.... those differ in the comic world than the real one, hence why every streetlevel and their grandmother can dodge bullets..

Originally posted by Thunderstrike
but at the end of the day you're still incorrect. You're just incorrect,

Originally posted by Thunderstrike
but don't have the humility to beat it. In the case of Wolverine vs Namor, if Wolverine has troubles with people that Namor could manhandle, then why is it a question.

Originally posted by Thunderstrike
Need I remind you of the fact that this is a no prep encounter. What does Frank Castle always have? Prep. Like I said before. Frank Castle is a prep god. He always has been. He always will be.

Originally posted by Thunderstrike
Jinzin, I've proven your lack of credibility, but you tend to deny it because your ego is in the way.

my credibility can speak for itself, I provide proof to my claims over 70% of the time, you haven't proven anything.. you made a claim and tried to spite me, and I prove you're claim wrong all over again...

Originally posted by Thunderstrike
Truth be known, ABC logic doesn't always work in comics.

Originally posted by Thunderstrike
However, those instances are always a question of powerset. In this case, Wolverine only has one advantage, and that is his claws.

Originally posted by Thunderstrike
Skill's not much of a difference, because Namor's beaten plenty with skill. Namor is much more skilled than Wolverine.

Originally posted by Thunderstrike
He's been raised a warrior. He's a warrior born, and a great strategist, which is commonly ignored. So, here's the question: When Namor throws Wolverine into the atmousphere, considering Namor can lift thousands of tons, how long will Wolverine last until he dies from lack of oxygen? This is bloodlust. Namor bloodlusted means he's gonna kill, and kill quickly. Wolverine only has claws and a healing factor. Namor's the king of the seas, and the only one worthy of shouting Imperious Rex. I have a feeling that Wolverine is screwed, no matter how much "evidence" you bring up.

Originally posted by AJ4LIFE
stop argueing guys plz, oh can u scan the fight then plz worlvy and spidey

look in pages 60-80 of the spiderman vs. wolverine/daredevil/captain america thread..

all the fights are posted in there...

Originally posted by jinzin
hulk has had the advantage in their fights on a few occasions.. i remember on at least one occasion he was manhandling namor while the other avengers where there fighting along-side him..
or the time hulk was batting away s.s. and namor...
anyways.. that's aside from the point...
you're not even grasping the comparison darkcrawler...

That was because the heat of the desert was sapping Namor's strength...Hercules even stated so.

And I don't remember this Silver Surfer/Namor thing, issue number...?

Hulk hasn't been winning really in anything else then maybe one fight.

And I am just fixing your mistakes...

thanks jinzin