Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Uhh...surviving re-entry from space and hitting the ground, taking full dose repulsor blasts from the Iron Man, taking blasts from the likes of Silver Surfer...having an miniature nuclear bomb explode close to him and surviving it without a scratch...Those are some...
like hulk: a character who's still effected when wolvie hit his nutsack... 😕
Originally posted by jinzinInexperienced, younger Namor. The current Neptune-revitalized, far more experienced Namor...
he's certainly knocked namor down plenty...
Oh wait, he did not hurt the young Namor either, even when he smacked him in the head with rock, so hard that the rock broke.
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Originally posted by jinzin
like hulk: a character who's still effected when wolvie hit his nutsack... 😕
Okay, whatever, I can't stand debating about nutsacks anymore. Seriously, man, is this how low we have fallen? 😛
A hit to nutsack would affect him, but it certainly would not make him lose his grip. His pain tolerance enabled him to carry Toro to water while he was at his highest heat.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Inexperienced, younger Namor. The current Neptune-revitalized, far more experienced Namor...Oh wait, he did not hurt the young Namor either, even when he smacked him in the head with rock, so hard that the rock broke.
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Cap still got off hits in that though.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Inexperienced, younger Namor. The current Neptune-revitalized, far more experienced Namor...Oh wait, he did not hurt the young Namor either, even when he smacked him in the head with rock, so hard that the rock broke.
http://img231.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namorvscapt32jx.gif
umm who said anything about hurting... I said he's knocked him down plenty.. and he has... hell even there he gave namor a hell of a fight... jeesh..
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Okay, whatever, I can't stand debating about nutsacks anymore. Seriously, man, is this how low we have fallen? 😛A hit to nutsack would affect him, but it certainly would not make him lose his grip. His pain tolerance enabled him to carry Toro to water while he was at his highest heat.
i think somebody needs a kick to the nutsack to remind them how that feels.. whistling
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Question: When has Namor ever speed blitzed anyone?
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When man has an ability to fly with Mach speeds, accelerate to it instantly and the hand speed and reaction time to go with them, he is capable of speedblizing.
Is it Namor's favorite technique? No. Is he capable of it? Yes.
I'm not sure if you are aware of it or not but there isn't a single example of speed blitzing there.
Namor can fly at super speed (he can swim at super speed too but that doesn't matter here). Does that mean he can speed blitz Wolverine? I don't know but it seems like the best he could do is pull a Cannonball and try to barrel into Wolverine at super speed. Even so Wolverine has avoid Cannonball before (and other fliers with super speed) and what is the top speed can Namor reach? A better question what is the top speed Namor can reach while maintaining control and maneuverability because he didn't seem to be going to fast while he was fighting Sunfire and the ability to accelerate to super speed while flying straight isn't going to help Namor very much at all. Namor's "speed blitzing" option is hardly fool proof and it is even less likely of succeeding when you consider that this fight takes place in Central Park giving Wolverine tons of cover and brush to stealth it up in. Even Namor's "speed blitz" went perfectly he is just as likely (of not more) to get impaled by Wolverine as he is to grab him in such a way to render his claws useless.
His combat speed and reaction time are on the same level as Wolverine and IF they are superior (which they aren't) it is so slight that it doesn't matter. No matter how much you'd like to believe it Namor doesn't have the speed to overwelm Wolverine in melee combat.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I'm not sure if you are aware of it or not but there isn't a single example of speed blitzing there.
Wow, attacking an opponent and hitting them before they can react isn't speedblitzing anymore?
Interesting...🤨
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Namor can fly at super speed (he can swim at super speed too but that doesn't matter here). Does that mean he can speed blitz Wolverine? I don't know but it seems like the best he could do is pull a Cannonball and try to barrel into Wolverine at super speed. Even so Wolverine has avoid Cannonball before (and other fliers with super speed) and what is the top speed can Namor reach? A better question what is the top speed Namor can reach will maintain control and maneuverability because he didn't seem to be going to fast while he was fighting Sunfire and the ability to accelerate to super speed while flying straight isn't going to help Namor very much at all. Namor "speed blitzing" option is hardly fool proof and it is even less likely of succeeding when you consider that this fight takes place in Central Park giving Wolverine tons of cover and brush to stealth it up in. Even Namor's "speed blitz" went perfectly he is just as likely (of not more) to get impaled by Wolverine as he is to grab him in such a way to render his claws useless.
Namor's top speed is at least Mach 1.5. He flew (and accelerated instantly) 100,000 feet in seconds, and Mach 1.5 is lowest speed to achieve 100,000 feet in seconds. It's probably more then that though, seeing as he flew with Captain Marvel to space in seconds, and has flew from USA to China in hours...and with his superhuman reactions and close to hundred years of honing his flight skills he would have no troubles of maintaining the speed...
Cannonball also does not have superhuman reactions, and he doesn't have superhuman strength. Namor also does not have to barrel with his entire body...he can hit him with his fists. Like he did in many scans I showed...
And seeing as Namor has superhuman senses alongside a radar sense, I don't see that Wolverine would be able to hide him for long. Invisible Woman and Super Skrull were not.
Originally posted by srankmissingninSeeing as he has greater speed feats in reactions and hand speed, I believe he is faster...and if he would not hold back his hand speed and strength (which he has in past) he would easily overwhelm him. Like it or not, Wolverine has troubles taking down Hulk and hits from Hulk send him flying or stop his attacks.
His combat speed and reaction time are on the same level as Wolverine and [B]IF they are superior (which they aren't) it is so slight that it doesn't matter. No matter how much you'd like to believe it Namor doesn't have the speed to overwelm Wolverine in melee combat. [/B]
Now picture that Hulk would have speed on par or even greater then Logan, and greater intelligence and fighting skills to actually use that speed when needed. That's pretty much how a fight with Namor would go.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Wow, attacking an opponent and hitting them before they can react isn't speedblitzing anymore?Interesting...🤨
In order to speed blitz someone they need to be over whelmed their opponent with speed. Landing an attack on your opponent isn't a speed blitz it's simply landing an attack. An example of speed blitzing someone would be when Wolverine showed up and beat the tar out of leader of the Neo. He hit her so hard and fast she couldn't react... and this is a chick who owned the entire X-Men before Wolverine came and saved them. You didn't show Namor speed blitzing anyone you showed examples of Namor lunging at people. If that is speed blitzing I guess Wolverine does it all the time seeing as it's his number one fight opener. 🙄
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Namor's top speed is at least Mach 1.5. He flew (and accelerated instantly) 100,000 feet in seconds, and Mach 1.5 is lowest speed to achieve 100,000 feet in seconds. It's probably more then that though, seeing as he flew with Captain Marvel to space in seconds, and has flew from USA to China in hours...and with his superhuman reactions and close to hundred years of honing his flight skills he would have no troubles of maintaining the speed...
Thats nice at all but doesn't answer the question of how fast he can fly while maintaining control and maneuverability. If he was capable of operating at his top speeds during combat his fight with Sunfire (and every other fight he's had) would have gone much differently. As it is it seems he doesn't have the reflexes or the reaction time to do much more then fly in a straight line or from place to place at his top speeds.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Cannonball also does not have superhuman reactions, and he doesn't have superhuman strength. Namor also does not have to barrel with his entire body...he can hit him with his fists. Like he did in many scans I showed...
If Namor is barreling towards Wolverine at Mach speeds and Logan suddenly moves can Namor react fast enough to hit him? Further more can he maintain those Mach speed while turning and constantly adjusting his trajectory in line with a bobbing, swerving and running Wolverine while avoiding trees and other obstacles? Namor hasn't showed that kind of maneuverability out of the water.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
And seeing as Namor has superhuman senses alongside a radar sense, I don't see that Wolverine would be able to hide him for long. Invisible Woman and Super Skrull were not.
I was aware that he has shown Radar senses before but has it been used enough to count it among his power set? (I'm not being smartass this is an actual question)
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Seeing as he has greater speed feats in reactions and hand speed, I believe he is faster...and if he would not hold back his hand speed and strength (which he has in past) he would easily overwhelm him. Like it or not, Wolverine has troubles taking down Hulk and hits from Hulk send him flying or stop his attacks.
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Far greater speed feats? His one feat where he carves a statue in a brief moment? That is hardly the norm and even so Wolverine has speed feats on par with that. Like when he sliced an entire suit of armor off Doc Samson in blink of an eye (a feat Wolverine has duplicated several other times). Where is Namor's vaunted speed when he fought Hercules? Where was it when he fought the Hulk? Or Tiger Shark or Abomination or Captain America or Daredevil or Apocalypse or Spider-man? Or was he holding back then too?
In melee combat Namor doesn't have a large enough speed edge to talk about... if he even has one at all.
