Originally posted by srankmissingnin
In order to speed blitz someone they need to be over whelmed their opponent with speed. Landing an attack on your opponent isn't a speed blitz it's simply landing an attack. An example of speed blitzing someone would be when Wolverine showed up and beat the tar out of leader of the Neo. He hit her so hard and fast she couldn't react... and this is a chick who owned the entire X-Men before Wolverine came and saved them. You didn't show Namor speed blitzing anyone you showed examples of Namor lunging at people. If that is speed blitzing I guess Wolverine does it all the time seeing as it's his number one fight opener. 🙄
And I guess if Wolverine attacks his opponent head on, moves at fast speeds and hits him so fast that the opponent can't do react to it at all, it is a speedblitz...🤨
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Thats nice at all but doesn't answer the question of how fast he can fly while maintaining control and maneuverability. If he was capable of operating at his top speeds during combat his fight with Sunfire (and every other fight he's had) would have gone much differently. As it is it seems he doesn't have the reflexes or the reaction time to do much more then fly in a straight line or from place to place at his top speeds.
Well, his maneuverability was enough to catch with high-speed flying starship:
http://img467.imageshack.us/img467/7740/namorspeedfeat391yu.gif
http://img467.imageshack.us/img467/7053/namorspeedfeat405xa.gif
And I think he happened to show quite good maneuverability with Sunfire...like when he spinned around him to trap him in the water and Sunfire did not seem to notice what had happened...and he dodged pretty much each shot he made.
And the fight with Sunfire is pretty much only aerial fight Namor has ever had with another superhero. There is this one with War Machine where he dodged his miniguns in air (I guess they fire 4000 rounds per minute or something like that...), but Namor was kind of...odd during that fight.
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Originally posted by srankmissingnin
If Namor is barreling towards Wolverine at Mach speeds and Logan suddenly moves can Namor react fast enough to hit him? Further more can he maintain those Mach speed while turning and constantly adjusting his trajectory in line with a bobbing, swerving and running Wolverine while avoiding trees and other obstacles? Namor hasn't showed that kind of maneuverability out of the water.
Ehh...how fast can Wolverine run anyway? 100 MPH? Namor has spent ages perfecting his power since he was a small kid, I think that with the experience and reactions he has he can maneuver pretty damn fast.
http://img154.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namorgetshiswings5hw.gif
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http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/4173/namorfeat1181eq.gif
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/4870/speed29lp.jpg
And again, seeing as his reaction speed is superhuman, and the fact that he can accelerate instantly, I doubt that he will be bumping into trees or anything...
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I was aware that he has shown Radar senses before but has it been used enough to count it among his power set? (I'm not being smartass this is an actual question)
Twice at least as far as I can recall...
http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/7346/namorfeat475ib.gif
http://img480.imageshack.us/img480/1746/namorfeat277xt.gif
I count it among his power set...it has not been retconned out or anything. 🤨
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Far greater speed feats? His one feat where he carves a statue in a brief moment? That is hardly the norm and even so Wolverine has speed feats on par with that. Like when he sliced an entire suit of armor off Doc Samson in blink of an eye (a feat Wolverine has duplicated several other times). Where is Namor's vaunted speed when he fought Hercules? Where was it when he fought the Hulk? Or Tiger Shark or Abomination or Captain America or Daredevil or Apocalypse or Spider-man? Or was he holding back then too?
Making an entire statue in middle of sentence >>>>> carving off a suit. And it's not like it's only time Namor has moved his limbs with multiple mach speeds either.
http://img488.imageshack.us/img488/1905/namorspeedfeat339wr.gif
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(Not to mention all the times he swims with Mach speeds...you can only imagine how fast his legs and hands propel him)
And where was Wolverine's speed when he stumbled on that ninja and fell to the sword? Or when Captain America grabbed his hands and stabbed him with them? Or when Spider-Woman did the same? Or when Mister X owned him? Or in all his fights with Sabretooth? Or in his fights with Punisher? Or when Black Panther humiliated him?
I can easily state the same things with Wolverine...does that mean that he doesn't have speed at all?
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
In melee combat Namor doesn't have a large enough speed edge to talk about... if he even has one at all.
But he has greater speed feats.
Originally posted by jinzinWhat I'd like to see is that if his healing factor is at same level then it was at last issue, or was it just one time shock factor...yknow.. I HONESTLY wouldn't be surprised if both namor and captain america woop logans ass in the next couple of months.. like cap's said.. he's had it comin to him for a while now.
Because if it is at the same level, I don't see how Namor can really take him out for good. 😑
I guess he needs to bury him at the Quagmire of Doom or something:
http://img488.imageshack.us/img488/7492/namorspeedfeat352fg.gif
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
What I'd like to see is that if his healing factor is at same level then it was at last issue, or was it just one time shock factor...Because if it is at the same level, I don't see how Namor can really take him out for good. 😑
I guess he needs to bury him at the Quagmire of Doom or something:
http://img488.imageshack.us/img488/7492/namorspeedfeat352fg.gif
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Okay? What's the problem here? Are you not able to picture this relatively simple move? Namor has more than enough strength to hold him easily.
cause it's not a relatively simple move.. he needs to sneak up behind wolverine.. and pin him in a bearhug.. AT THE WRISTS... if he doesn't wolvie would have enough slack to still snikt him... you're giving namor WAYYYYY too much credit to say that that would be a simple move... 🤨
The way I see it is if Namor can stay away from Wolverines claws he should win most encounters. But Wolverines claws have been shown to damage Namor. The adamantium and healing factor are what make him so friggin tough. Namor has been shown to have trouble with street level heroes like DD, Cap, BlackPanther etc.
I say it's a tie. Unless they fight in water.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
What, you mean something like this, then?
http://img488.imageshack.us/img488/1905/namorspeedfeat339wr.gif
thatr's more combative speed than a speed blitz but....
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
And I guess if Wolverine attacks his opponent head on, moves at fast speeds and hits him so fast that the opponent can't do react to it at all, it is a speedblitz...🤨
Originally posted by DarkCrawlerthe hell it is!... that's a totally half assed assumption on your part... wolverine's skinned a SKIN TIGHT bionic suit off a man in as little time as it took him to say "a clean shave", he didn't skin off part of it, or pieces of it, he shredded it HEAD TO TOE!... AND...Not only did he carve the skin tight suit into coils, but he did it without harming the human being inside it whatsoever.. INFACT that guy thought that wolverine hadn't even touched him when it happened... but the statue feat is better by comparison? 😕 .... my ass it is...
Making an entire statue in middle of sentence >>>>> carving off a suit.
Originally posted by DarkCrawlerwhat does losing his balance have to do with bumbrushing somebody? 🤨
And where was Wolverine's speed when he stumbled on that ninja and fell to the sword?
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Or when Captain America grabbed his hands and stabbed him with them?
when did that happen?
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Or when Spider-Woman did the same?
for a guy who wants to rationalize that namor holds back against people.. 🙄
Originally posted by DarkCrawlerhow would his speed matter if x sees everything he's about to throw at him before it happens? all he has to do is compensate for the speed through his telepathy... comparible to the way taskmaster does it to superior opponents with his powers...
Or when Mister X owned him?
Originally posted by DarkCrawlersabretooth's faster than wolverine.. 🤨
Or in all his fights with Sabretooth?
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Or in his fights with Punisher?
Originally posted by DarkCrawlerlike he did to namor?
Or when Black Panther humiliated him?
Originally posted by DarkCrawlerin travel?✅
But he has greater speed feats.
in combat? ❌
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
What, you mean something like this, then?
http://img488.imageshack.us/img488/1905/namorspeedfeat339wr.gif
I'm not sure exactly what Namor is doing there but it is impressive. Is he underwater though? I can't really tell but there looks to be some bubbles near his head in the first panel. If he is then it isn't that relevant since his underwater speed has little baring on his out of water speed.
Originally posted by jinzin
thatr's more combative speed than a speed blitz but....he's just saying all the pics you posted were of namor landing blows.. not necessarily speed blitzing like you implied.. there's plenty of panals where wolverine's doing the same damned thing to people.. that doesn't make him proficient in speedblitzing...😕
the hell it is!... that's a totally half assed assumption on your part... wolverine's skinned a SKIN TIGHT bionic suit off a man in as little time as it took him to say "a clean shave", he didn't skin off part of it, or pieces of it, he shredded it HEAD TO TOE!... AND...Not only did he carve the skin tight suit into coils, but he did it without harming the human being inside it whatsoever.. INFACT that guy thought that wolverine hadn't even touched him when it happened... but the statue feat is better by comparison? 😕 .... my ass it is...
what does losing his balance have to do with bumbrushing somebody? 🤨
when did that happen?
for a guy who wants to rationalize that namor holds back against people.. 🙄
how would his speed matter if x sees everything he's about to throw at him before it happens? all he has to do is compensate for the speed through his telepathy... comparible to the way taskmaster does it to superior opponents with his powers...
sabretooth's faster than wolverine.. 🤨
yeah can't really defend this one, other than the ennis fights...
like he did to namor?
in travel?✅
in combat? ❌
What he said. 😎
Originally posted by xmarksthespotbelievably?
When has Wolverine (believably) caught someone moving at supersonic speed with his claws?
so even if i go around finding a plethora of examples for you, they're not gonna count if you don't think they're believable? pfffft...
nice way to avoid my question though. 😉
