Namor, The Sub-Mariner vs Wolverine

Originally posted by jinzin
in flight? I'm positive that he is.. but is he faster than a bullet? or a rocket? if so by how much? cause wolverine's been seen batting these out of the sky and hopping on roackets for rides as they shoot past him...

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Rogue starting from an unknown distance behind a shooter has out raced bullets that have already left the barrel of the gun and intercepted them before they hit the intended mark. And Wolverine has tagged her also.

Originally posted by jinzin
😂

cause it's not a relatively simple move.. he needs to sneak up behind wolverine.. and pin him in a bearhug.. AT THE WRISTS... if he doesn't wolvie would have enough slack to still snikt him... you're giving namor WAYYYYY too much credit to say that that would be a simple move... 🤨

Honestly, I don't feel that I'm giving Namor enough credit really. As fast and strong as he is, in addition to his superhuman reflexes, it should be relatively simple for him to rush Wolverine (not even from behind if he doesn't want to) and grab his wrists. Doesnt' really matter where his wrists are, he can grab them. Wolvie wouldn't have a chance to react to such speed. Then, with wrists grabbed and held tight so that there is no slack (dunno why he'd even give Wolvie the option), he just squeezes him in a bear hug. Very easy for Namor to do with his strength. From there, there is nothing Wolvie can do to get out.

Namor wins 10/10.

But if you don't want Namor to win like that, he can always just smash Wolvie with heavy objects. Or blast him with electricity. I prefer the smashing option, however.

This thread is still going on? Namor can nail him with something heavy in the air. Wolverine loses 9/10. I give him a chance since he might get lucky, but it really should be 10/10.

Originally posted by Apolloknight
There is no way to win a Thread with Wolverine fans, even if he is outrageously mis-matched.

I now declare this the Official Thread of Bacon Strips vs. Sausage Links.

Debate.

bacon strips win... they're far tastier and give one the empowerment of an implied physicality over cops as opposed to sausage links and their sexual innuendos...

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
You and I both know bullets are the biggest jobbers in comics.. even moreso than ninjas.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Honestly, I don't feel that I'm giving Namor enough credit really. As fast and strong as he is, in addition to his superhuman reflexes, it should be relatively simple for him to rush Wolverine (not even from behind if he doesn't want to) and grab his wrists. Doesnt' really matter where his wrists are, he can grab them. Wolvie wouldn't have a chance to react to such speed. Then, with wrists grabbed and held tight so that there is no slack (dunno why he'd even give Wolvie the option), he just squeezes him in a bear hug. Very easy for Namor to do with his strength. From there, there is nothing Wolvie can do to get out.

Namor wins 10/10.

again over glorifying namor's speed and reflexes when wolverine's shwon to be at the very least near the same level...

it won't be simple and it will most likely get namor cut up like the last 2 times he tried to go in close with wolverine...

i already said namor can win the other ways you suggested.. hell I even think he could suck wolvie into a whirlwind using flgiht.. but h2h w/wolvie is just a terrible idea for anyone who doesn't have a healing factor or invulnerability... 😬

I can understand where you are coming from then, Namor would be in a risk fighting like that. The problem is that Namor has so much potential and is a really powerful hero, but his CIS is his greatest flaw, even though he can do alot of things, his arrogance hinders him to his best potential.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I can understand where you are coming from then, Namor would be in a risk fighting like that. The problem is that Namor has so much potential and is a really powerful hero, but his CIS is his greatest flaw, even though he can do alot of things, his arrogance hinders him to his best potential.

thank you! this was something I kept trying to say when this thread was still a newborn.

yeah, obviously namor has the tools to take wolvie down.. but h2hing it is a gamble in my opinion.

Originally posted by jinzin
again over glorifying namor's speed and reflexes when wolverine's shwon to be at the very least near the same level...

Wolverine has shown to be at the very least near to Namor's levels........................Wolverine's high end feats maybe similar to Namor's day in and day out showings but he isn't as close as you would like to make it appear especially with Namor's high end showings to balance against Wolverine's.

🙄 it's rather funny how the both of them have about the same amount of "high end" feats that appear similar... no matter how much you hate wolverine, you cn't change the fact that him and namor keep proving themselves to be near the same damned levels with the exception of strength and travel speed.

Originally posted by jinzin
🙄 it's rather funny how the both of them have about the same amount of "high end" feats that appear similar... no matter how much you hate wolverine, you cn't change the fact that him and namor keep proving themselves to be near the same damned levels with the exception of strength and travel speed.

Yeah travel speed is also a good indicator of how quickly they can react and Namor has shown much better reaction times over Wolverine at higher speeds..............................so wherever you get this similar piece from must be in ninja land🙂

Namor doesn't just fly or swim super fast until he hits something because of his speed, he clearly can see objects and coordinate his movements at speeds that are significantly faster then what Wolverine has showings for.

Originally posted by Soleran
Yeah travel speed is also a good indicator of how quickly they can react and Namor has shown much better reaction times over Wolverine at higher speeds..............................so wherever you get this similar piece from must be in ninja land🙂

Namor doesn't just fly or swim super fast until he hits something because of his speed, he clearly can see objects and coordinate his movements at speeds that are significantly faster then what Wolverine has showings for.

his travel speed isn't the same as his combative speed.. hell he's proven this pretty much every time he throws down with someone in h2h, the fact that you keep ignoring this doesn't make a difference...

and no he can't "clearly" coordinate his movements faster than wolverine's showings.. he can travel faster and that's about it.. they have EXTREMELY SIMILAR high end feats for combative speeds and reaction times...

Originally posted by jinzin

and no he can't "clearly" coordinate his movements faster than wolverine's showings.. he can travel faster and that's about it.. they have EXTREMELY SIMILAR high end feats for combative speeds and reaction times...

Yeah this is where I am obviously losing you here. Is it reasonable to assume if Namor can fly at lets say mach 1.5 and doesn't hit any obstacles that not only can he see but also react in a similar fashion. I mean his reaction time would have to be similar to his flight speed or he would crash into TONS of things.....................yes?

not really... unless you think jet fighter pilots are super human in their reaction times.. 😕

Logan got nothing on Namor.
Outclassed in every physical side except for the regenerative abilities.

Originally posted by jinzin
not really... unless you think jet fighter pilots are super human in their reaction times.. 😕

Yeah there is a reason why Jet Fighters have to maintain certain elevations above certain speeds, obviously one is the sound barrier, the other is that humans cannot react in time to obvious difficulties in terrain and such ie canyons etc..........................certainly none of them are bouncing around on meteors either...........................thats reaction speed...................

no they're too buisy avoiding rockets and anti aircraft fire.. 🙄

Do I have to reposts my previous posts dealing with Namor's flight speed and reaction time? Anyway it has been shown by the few ariel battles that Namor has had that he doesn't have the maneoverability or reaction time to fight at this top speeds... or any where close.

Originally posted by jinzin
no they're too buisy avoiding rockets and anti aircraft fire.. 🙄

Yeah because we all know the Air Force, Marine Corp and Navy never practice, and only go up in times of War over hostile territory............ NEXT PLEASE.

And why do people keep bringing up fighting at top speed, I certainly haven't. Yet this is what everyone immediatly pivots to. No, I am merely suggesting that due to his ability to travel at high speeds its very possible that he in fact does have VERY great reaction speeds, reaction speeds based on his speed feats alone that put him above Wolverine.

Hence Namor>Wolverine in reaction speeds............lets not digress this time, ok?