I'm one of the last people to be underestimating Namor, but just because Wolvie fanboys are so veracious in Wolvie's favor, people shouldn't dismiss him so easily. Sure, Namor's a powerhouse, but let's not forget that Wolvie has taken on powerhouses. The guy's held his own against the Hulk as well as anyone I think. And that includes Namor.
Originally posted by hank_mccoyNice list...
here is a nice list of namors feats .... look at them and tell me that wolverine can take him out
Wolverine can AND HAS taken him out. 😄
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I'm one of the last people to be underestimating Namor, but just because Wolvie fanboys are so veracious in Wolvie's favor, people shouldn't dismiss him so easily. Sure, Namor's a powerhouse, but let's not forget that Wolvie has taken on powerhouses. The guy's held his own against the Hulk as well as anyone I think. And that includes Namor.
Namor hasn't just held his own against the Hulk, he has actually defeated him in multiple occassions.
Sure Wolverine is good and all but when Namor has shown the ability to defeat people like the Hulk and Iron Man, and hold his own against people like Silver Surfer and Thor, then I have to go with my gut and say Namor would win here.
Originally posted by Dinkus MayhemWhat is your point? Hulk has shown that he can easily hang with Thor and Iron Man too. Dont know about the Surfer, never seen those 2 fight. Unlike Hulk Namor isn't ungodly durable and that's the only reason Wolverine would take some victories.
Namor hasn't just held his own against the Hulk, he has actually defeated him in multiple occassions.Sure Wolverine is good and all but when Namor has shown the ability to defeat people like the Hulk and Iron Man, and hold his own against people like Silver Surfer and Thor, then I have to go with my gut and say Namor would win here.
Originally posted by riceroostdosnt have to be he can easily knock wolverine around honestly you mean to tell me someon with class 100 strenght wont send a guy only weighing a couple hundred pounds flying if that's what u think ur somkeing some uber stuff
What is your point? Hulk has shown that he can easily hang with Thor and Iron Man too. Dont know about the Surfer, never seen those 2 fight. Unlike Hulk Namor isn't ungodly durable and that's the only reason Wolverine would take some victories.
The point is that Wolverine can't hang with those like Thor and Surfer, where as Namor can. Also it would be nice to see 1 fight were Wolverine has actually defeated the Hulk, to my knowledge he has never done that, Namor has.
And about the godly durability, Namor has it in spades. As long as Namor isn't in a desert and allowed to bake in the sun or has access to some water, or just makes it rain (he can do that IIRC) he won't tire easily.
There is also the fact that Namor's skin has been shown to resist bullets, lasers, and blades. There is no way punch damage from someone slightly above peak human should be able to do any damage to him, the claws may be a minor issue for him but if Namor's skin is as durable as it is often seen and no PIS is involved Wolverine won't cut him either.
Originally posted by Daredevil1
Flying is flying not agility for ground mobility were Logan exceeds. Silence of your moving. This was movement in broad-day light were Logan dissapeared infront of Nightcrawlers eyes. Ninja-magic or chi not just silence movement.
Flying requires more agility that you think, especially flying under own power and the elaborate air tricks Namor does.
And ground agility...he has that too.
Originally posted by Daredevil1
Actually insisted in that fight he would allow Wolverine to win. And considering he sent Logan flying with his strike I doubt he was holding back a lot.
Namor not holding back does this with his punch only, without using an object.
http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/6122/namorfeat966tw.gif
Namor was holding back at every point in that fight. A lot.
Originally posted by Daredevil1
Thing tagging Namor is a regular feat for Thing. Trying to ignore a feat for Thing is what you are doing. Thing has also tagged the likes of Hulk and Thor and both of these being have also tagged Namor.
Namor getting tagged by Thing is still a low showing, in the same way that Wolverine getting tagged by Blob or Flash getting tagged by Captain Cold is a low showing.
Originally posted by Daredevil1
Let me guess another low-showing?
Compared to his regular level? Yes.
Originally posted by Daredevil1
Namor wins that I agree but to ignore Logan's regular showings is also being biased. Next you'll say Captain America dodging Namor is a low-showing huh?
Nobody has been ignoring Logan's showings. It's just that if we use regular showings for both characters, Namor wins majority...high showings, Namor still wins majority...and low showings...guess what.
If we use Logan's regular showings, we need to use Namor's too. And when Namor fights against guys like Daredevil or Wolverine, he doesn't fight them with his regular power level.
And considering that Cap has only dodged Namor when he was inexperienced or mind-controlled...
Originally posted by Daredevil1
These are martial art-masters that leave Namor looking like white-belts in the skill departments. Plus factor in Logans crazy healing-ability with unbreakable bones and razar sharp claws that had Namor hurt. Is showing a fight were Logan can win say 3/7.
Skill doesn't help you against a guy who is many times faster then you and can kill you with one punch, really. And they don't leave Namor far in anything else then fancy martial arts tricks really, Namor has been constantly fighting for 86 years and the best training of a warrior nation who has been fighting for 10,000 years. When it comes to Namor's own fighting style, he is extremely skilled.
May I direct you to this thread...
http://herochat.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=100333
And all Namor needs to do in this fight is to punch Logan and keep punching. Logan is helpless against Class 100's when they just keep punching him instead of stopping their punching.
Originally posted by lando005
dosnt have to be he can easily knock wolverine around honestly you mean to tell me someon with class 100 strenght wont send a guy only weighing a couple hundred pounds flying if that's what u think ur somkeing some uber stuff
Obviously someone with class 100 strength could punch Wolverine a mile. Hulk has done it to him. A member of the shiar imperial guard actually punched him into friggin orbit. They lift mountains, obviously they could do it.
My point is they have to hit him to do it. Hulk can do it pretty easy because his arms are long as hell and he doesn't have to worry about Wolverine clawing him up. He'll heal, even faster than Wolvy. Namor could lose an arm trying to give Wolverine a haymaker. Wolverine is pretty fast. Wolverine has a reach advantage on Namor. Wouldn't it make sense that Namor would soften Wolverine up with quick punches called JABS which he's not intending to fling Wolverine 5 miles with??? And then when Wolvy is weakened he goes for the state wide swing??? Think like a fighter man. Fighters dont swing for the fences with every punch. Especially when their opponent can deliver an instant kill with his jab that has almost a foot long reach over you.
Originally posted by Dinkus MayhemYeah he can't hang with Surfer and Thor because their power scope is completely different than Namor's is. Thor can make storms and shoot you with lightning bolts while he's flying. Thor is also IMMORTAL. (Interestingly a near dead Wolverine survived a massive blast from a hammer very much like Thor's during the Asgardian Wars. So he can take their brand of punishment.) Surfer is another projectile fighter with the power cosmic that may be very well impervious to Wolverine's claws. Dont compare them to Namor.
The point is that Wolverine can't hang with those like Thor and Surfer, where as Namor can. Also it would be nice to see 1 fight were Wolverine has actually defeated the Hulk, to my knowledge he has never done that, Namor has.
Originally posted by Dinkus MayhemI freely admit Wolverine is a pancake any time if Namor has access to water to replentish himself. I've never seen him just make it rain, so I dont know about all that.
And about the godly durability, Namor has it in spades. As long as Namor isn't in a desert and allowed to bake in the sun or has access to some water, or just makes it rain (he can do that IIRC) he won't tire easily.
And for all Namor's durability feats he is still getting cut and out of water he will not heal very fast. Hell 2 seconds out of water Namor has been beaten down by Thing for god sakes. He's got low showings just like everyone else.
Originally posted by Dinkus MayhemNo, punch damage shouldn't hurt Namor, unless you take into account the times where Wolverine has KOed people who have superhuman durability with his fists alone. ***** and moan if you want, but it's happened. No, I really doubt Wolverine's punches would hurt Namor, but in all honesty, if Wolverine is punching Namor he could have been impaling him instead, and thus was holding back.
There is also the fact that Namor's skin has been shown to resist bullets, lasers, and blades. There is no way punch damage from someone slightly above peak human should be able to do any damage to him, the claws may be a minor issue for him but if Namor's skin is as durable as it is often seen and no PIS is involved Wolverine won't cut him either.
Those claws have hurt Thing and Hulk, dont try and tell me they wouldn't hurt Namor, that is just silly. In Marvel Team-Up he hurt Titannus with his claws and impaled him through the neck. For the record, Titannus KOed Savage Hulk twice in 2 issues like it was a cake walk. Hulk's blows weren't even hurting the guy. He took a combined assault from Hulk, She-Hulk, Strange, Nova, Ms. Marvel, Spider-Man, Wolverine, etc no problem. If Wolverine can cut a guy that tough I see no reason why Namor should suddenly be invulnerable, especially when Wolverine's already done it twice, once when in close proximity to water.
It's not about the power set, it's about having the right tools for the job. Wolverine does have the right tools to hurt Namor. Case Closed. Not saying Namor can't hurt or beat Wolverine, but it does go both ways.
Originally posted by Dinkus Mayhem
The point is that Wolverine can't hang with those like Thor and Surfer, where as Namor can. Also it would be nice to see 1 fight were Wolverine has actually defeated the Hulk, to my knowledge he has never done that, Namor has.And about the godly durability, Namor has it in spades. As long as Namor isn't in a desert and allowed to bake in the sun or has access to some water, or just makes it rain (he can do that IIRC) he won't tire easily.
There is also the fact that Namor's skin has been shown to resist bullets, lasers, and blades. There is no way punch damage from someone slightly above peak human should be able to do any damage to him, the claws may be a minor issue for him but if Namor's skin is as durable as it is often seen and no PIS is involved Wolverine won't cut him either.
Wolverine has only defeated Hulk when Hulk's healing factor was lessened to the point that it took him 15 minutes to heal his eyes.
And even then he only beat Hulk when Hulk accidentally used his own momentum against him so he could stab him.
Originally posted by riceroost
My point is they have to hit him to do it. Hulk can do it pretty easy because his arms are long as hell and he doesn't have to worry about Wolverine clawing him up. He'll heal, even faster than Wolvy. Namor could lose an arm trying to give Wolverine a haymaker. Wolverine is pretty fast. Wolverine has a reach advantage on Namor. Wouldn't it make sense that Namor would soften Wolverine up with quick punches called JABS which he's not intending to fling Wolverine 5 miles with??? And then when Wolvy is weakened he goes for the state wide swing??? Think like a fighter man. Fighters dont swing for the fences with every punch. Especially when their opponent can deliver an instant kill with his jab that has almost a foot long reach over you.
You again forget that Namor can fly or just dodge Wolverine's attack. And as soon as Namor connects a punch, he can keep punching without Wolverine being able to do anything, as proven in many, many fights with Class 100's against Wolverine.
That, and Namor can kick Wolverine. His legs are much taller then Wolverine's arms, claws included.
Originally posted by DarkCrawlerNope, I'm pretty sure I know all about Namor's ability to fly, but thanks anyway. Fact is all 3 times they've fought it's been on the ground and close quarters. Namor is an arrogant SOB. He'd be a lot safer throwing the Titanic in Logan's general direction than engaging him in fisticuffs, but he's done it every single time anyway.
You again forget that Namor can fly or just dodge Wolverine's attack.
Originally posted by DarkCrawlerMany many times? Really? Because to my knowledge that rarely happens. Oh yeah, everyone remembers when Wonderman did it, but lets try and remember he did it from BEHIND, when Wolverine had no clue he was coming. Lets turn the tables around and see what happens if Wolverine rains down 10-15 blows to the back of Namor's head. I also seem to remember Hulk raining down 100+ ton smash after smash to a grounded Wolverine. First time he did it Wolverine stabbed him through the hand. (oops, Namor isn't throwing anymore punches with that hand now.) Second time he did it Wolverine again just threw up his hands and Hulk wound up impaling himself through the neck. (oops, Namor's beheaded. Fact is, anyone who tries to bludgeon Wolverine to death in a rabid assault runs the risk of getting a hand cut off very quickly. Common sense says, "Hey Wolvy, cover up." Wolverine does. Even the guy's block is a crippling attack. You also seem to forget that Wolverine can dodge as well.
And as soon as Namor connects a punch, he can keep punching without Wolverine being able to do anything, as proven in many, many fights with Class 100's against Wolverine.
Originally posted by DarkCrawlerThrowing a kick at Wolverine is a bad idea. Kicks are slower to connect than punches and have more obvious tells. You also seem to think that a man who has mastered every single Martial art on the planet doesn't have any kick defenses. What's up with that? Namor could kick Wolverine, but remember that Wolverine blocking a kick also involves Namor kicking him in the claws. Not a good idea.
That, and Namor can kick Wolverine. His legs are much taller then Wolverine's arms, claws included.
You talk about Namor fighting stupid in all their fights, well fact is Wolverine's fights are written pretty friggin stupid too. Cap, Batman, Iron Fist, or any hand to hand fighter should not be able to lay a hand on Wolverine without taking a mortal wound, yet somehow Marvel dumbs down Wolverine enough so that he somehow misses a target as big as the Hulk when he's aiming for it and gets grabbed by all these strongmen before he can impale them, even though he has a reach advantage over just about all of them. Dont talk about Namor fightign stupid, because I could do it all day about the way Wolverine's fights go.
Originally posted by riceroost
Obviously he can knock Wolverine around. Did I say he couldn't? No I did not.Obviously someone with class 100 strength could punch Wolverine a mile. Hulk has done it to him. A member of the shiar imperial guard actually punched him into friggin orbit. They lift mountains, obviously they could do it.
My point is they have to hit him to do it. Hulk can do it pretty easy because his arms are long as hell and he doesn't have to worry about Wolverine clawing him up. He'll heal, even faster than Wolvy. Namor could lose an arm trying to give Wolverine a haymaker. Wolverine is pretty fast. Wolverine has a reach advantage on Namor. Wouldn't it make sense that Namor would soften Wolverine up with quick punches called JABS which he's not intending to fling Wolverine 5 miles with??? And then when Wolvy is weakened he goes for the state wide swing??? Think like a fighter man. Fighters dont swing for the fences with every punch. Especially when their opponent can deliver an instant kill with his jab that has almost a foot long reach over you.
Originally posted by riceroost
Nope, I'm pretty sure I know all about Namor's ability to fly, but thanks anyway. Fact is all 3 times they've fought it's been on the ground and close quarters. Namor is an arrogant SOB. He'd be a lot safer throwing the Titanic in Logan's general direction than engaging him in fisticuffs, but he's done it every single time anyway.
Many many times? Really? Because to my knowledge that rarely happens. Oh yeah, everyone remembers when Wonderman did it, but lets try and remember he did it from BEHIND, when Wolverine had no clue he was coming. Lets turn the tables around and see what happens if Wolverine rains down 10-15 blows to the back of Namor's head. I also seem to remember Hulk raining down 100+ ton smash after smash to a grounded Wolverine. First time he did it Wolverine stabbed him through the hand. (oops, Namor isn't throwing anymore punches with that hand now.) Second time he did it Wolverine again just threw up his hands and Hulk wound up impaling himself through the neck. (oops, Namor's beheaded. Fact is, anyone who tries to bludgeon Wolverine to death in a rabid assault runs the risk of getting a hand cut off very quickly. Common sense says, "Hey Wolvy, cover up." Wolverine does. Even the guy's block is a crippling attack. You also seem to forget that Wolverine can dodge as well.
Throwing a kick at Wolverine is a bad idea. Kicks are slower to connect than punches and have more obvious tells. You also seem to think that a man who has mastered every single Martial art on the planet doesn't have any kick defenses. What's up with that? Namor could kick Wolverine, but remember that Wolverine blocking a kick also involves Namor kicking him in the claws. Not a good idea.You talk about Namor fighting stupid in all their fights, well fact is Wolverine's fights are written pretty friggin stupid too. Cap, Batman, Iron Fist, or any hand to hand fighter should not be able to lay a hand on Wolverine without taking a mortal wound, yet somehow Marvel dumbs down Wolverine enough so that he somehow misses a target as big as the Hulk when he's aiming for it and gets grabbed by all these strongmen before he can impale them, even though he has a reach advantage over just about all of them. Dont talk about Namor fightign stupid, because I could do it all day about the way Wolverine's fights go.
lol, I love riceroost. in a strictly platonical way of course.. 😛
Originally posted by riceroost
Nope, I'm pretty sure I know all about Namor's ability to fly, but thanks anyway. Fact is all 3 times they've fought it's been on the ground and close quarters. Namor is an arrogant SOB. He'd be a lot safer throwing the Titanic in Logan's general direction than engaging him in fisticuffs, but he's done it every single time anyway.
Arrogant, not stupid. When his way of fighting don't work, he finds another way or uses his other powers. He does this in about every time this kind of things happens.
Seeing as fighting like a drunkard without using his speed, dodging or flying hasn't worked this far against Wolverine, you would think that he would change his way of fighting...
Originally posted by riceroost
Many many times? Really? Because to my knowledge that rarely happens. Oh yeah, everyone remembers when Wonderman did it, but lets try and remember he did it from BEHIND, when Wolverine had no clue he was coming. Lets turn the tables around and see what happens if Wolverine rains down 10-15 blows to the back of Namor's head. I also seem to remember Hulk raining down 100+ ton smash after smash to a grounded Wolverine. First time he did it Wolverine stabbed him through the hand. (oops, Namor isn't throwing anymore punches with that hand now.) Second time he did it Wolverine again just threw up his hands and Hulk wound up impaling himself through the neck. (oops, Namor's beheaded. Fact is, anyone who tries to bludgeon Wolverine to death in a rabid assault runs the risk of getting a hand cut off very quickly. Common sense says, "Hey Wolvy, cover up." Wolverine does. Even the guy's block is a crippling attack. You also seem to forget that Wolverine can dodge as well.
I said helpless against, not being knocked out. You'll notice that Wolverine has not been able to stab or do anything as long as Class 100's keep punching him...and you notice that Namor only punches him once or twice in their fights.
Here, few example of Wolverine being absolutely helpless against Class 100 punches until they stop:
Let's start with everybody's favorite green guy..Hulk. Wolverine is helpless until Hulk punches him away.
http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/9335/hulk1fz4.jpg
Same story here, except Hulk uses his own momentum against himself against Wolverine who is already nearly being knocked out...
http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/7810/hulk2iz5.jpg
http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/2512/hulk3cj5.jpg
I guess this counts too, seeing as Wolverine says it himself.
http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/7429/hulk4jx4.jpg
How Wolverine started his career:
http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/2783/hulk5bb9.jpg
Colossus has had his own share of it too.
http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/...olossus1oe3.jpg
Sasquath has made Wolverine unable to act too...
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Twice.
http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/...asquath2nm3.jpg
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/79/sasquath3cy4.jpg
You already know Wonder Man, don't you?
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/5332/wonderman1tg7.jpg
And I just thought to post this as in comparision...to see what happens when they *gasp* DON'T stop punching him.
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Originally posted by riceroost
Throwing a kick at Wolverine is a bad idea. Kicks are slower to connect than punches and have more obvious tells. You also seem to think that a man who has mastered every single Martial art on the planet doesn't have any kick defenses. What's up with that? Namor could kick Wolverine, but remember that Wolverine blocking a kick also involves Namor kicking him in the claws. Not a good idea.
And you also seem to believe that Namor has no way of blocking Wolverine's claw hit. He could just grab his wrists after he has dodged him.
http://img259.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namorddspidey16pb.gif
http://img343.imageshack.us/img343/3176/namorefeat513dy.gif
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Wolverine's reach advantage doesn't give him really much of an advantage in this fight, Namor's arms are much longer, and his legs are many times longer. Namor has experience fighting guys with knives and swords, which are much longer then Wolverine's claws.
Originally posted by riceroost
You talk about Namor fighting stupid in all their fights, well fact is Wolverine's fights are written pretty friggin stupid too. Cap, Batman, Iron Fist, or any hand to hand fighter should not be able to lay a hand on Wolverine without taking a mortal wound, yet somehow Marvel dumbs down Wolverine enough so that he somehow misses a target as big as the Hulk when he's aiming for it and gets grabbed by all these strongmen before he can impale them, even though he has a reach advantage over just about all of them. Dont talk about Namor fightign stupid, because I could do it all day about the way Wolverine's fights go.
Wolverine's fights with another characters has something to do with this discussion?
Originally posted by lando005
think like a fighter that's real cute seeing how i am one i've had plenty of training in several diffrent styles, look i wasnt getting techical with it i was just saying if he wanted to he could send logan packing but since you want me to fine logan dosnt have that much of a reach advantage remember he's of small stature his limbs and arm lenght is shorter than namor's the claws add a foot fine that would give him what about 3-6 inches on him which means namor would have to move about 3 seconds faster than logan which he can do also the claws are in a fixed position he is incapable of makeing a follow on attack in a diffrent direction with only one arm any attempts would result in a totally ineffective strike with loss of power as such both claws must be used in sussesion followed by either the other claw or a kick of some sort a kick in a situation like this would be unwise and would leave him with too wide of an opening as for the claws they would have to be used closely together namor is no slouch in the fighting area either and any unorthadox or wid angled shots wouldnt be effective, this leaves him with a very limited angle of approch to the fight morso see how namor can fly so i say again how does he win this fight
In short Namor has to have a flawless victory against Wolverine. If Wolverine can hit Speed Demon and dodge light speed projectiles I dont see Namor getting a flawless here any time soon. Like I said, Namor's best option is chucking a building at Wolverine. Fist fight = Big advantage for Wolverine.
Originally posted by riceroostEX-ACT-LY!
1) You are obviously ignorant of how many claw strike Wolverine can generate in the span of a split second.
2) even a weak claw strike is going to do significant damage to Namor. It's not his strength doing the cutting, it's the blade.
3) Namor can't even block Wolverine's claw strikes. If he does he loses a hand.
4) None of Namor's strikes can be blocked by Wolverine without crippling the striking limb badly.In short Namor has to have a flawless victory against Wolverine. If Wolverine can hit Speed Demon and dodge light speed projectiles I dont see Namor getting a flawless here any time soon. Like I said, Namor's best option is chucking a building at Wolverine. Fist fight = Big advantage for Wolverine.
Originally posted by riceroost
1) You are obviously ignorant of how many claw strike Wolverine can generate in the span of a split second.
2) even a weak claw strike is going to do significant damage to Namor. It's not his strength doing the cutting, it's the blade.
3) Namor can't even block Wolverine's claw strikes. If he does he loses a hand.
4) None of Namor's strikes can be blocked by Wolverine without crippling the striking limb badly.In short Namor has to have a flawless victory against Wolverine. If Wolverine can hit Speed Demon and dodge light speed projectiles I dont see Namor getting a flawless here any time soon. Like I said, Namor's best option is chucking a building at Wolverine. Fist fight = Big advantage for Wolverine.
oh what's that what if wolverine goes with the knifehand andspins oppisite namor? well then if he's planning on attacking with the arm that didnt attack the first time then he just set himself up to get his arm dislocated and if he plans on using that same attacking arm he's getting tossed, i admit i'm not the best fighter around but you see when you are a fighter and you have a good understanding for your opponent you can envison how the fight will go even befor some of the blows are made the better you are at fighting ther better you are at this now if i could come up with these probable moves imagine what someone of namor's skill can do even more so with wolverine, just a little insite for ya
