Namor, The Sub-Mariner vs Wolverine

Originally posted by Metalmanx
And this affects his fighting ability how?

Originally posted by Metalmanx
He has superhuman endurance and all-powerful healing factor that looked like it did its job quite well, since Logan looked pretty healthy before this fight.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
He seemed pretty fine to me until he got decked. And then decked again. And then had his hand caught (something Namor can easily do) and got decked once more. I don't see how this changes my argument at all.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
I read the comics just fine, thank you. But, perhaps you should show me the part where Wolverine wins in that fight. I just can't find it.

Originally posted by hank_mccoy
before that freakin sabretooth took him out every fight they had

Originally posted by hank_mccoy
elektra owned him

Originally posted by hank_mccoy
freakin sabretooth killed wolverine in #175 , yes wolverine did not had his healing factor but where the hell is his super duper hydro speed and skills?

Try reading # 173+174 before you pass judgement. Wolverine was in horrible shape, dying, and had no friggin powers.

Originally posted by hank_mccoy
in wolverine 189 wolverine was humiliated by some cop that hits him from behind and knocks him out then the cop takes him into the woods and beats the crap out of wolverine with a shovel?

Originally posted by hank_mccoy
in wolverine #160 he gets his ass kicked by mister x body guard who has something like peek human strength he trash logan only at the end wolverine hangs him

Originally posted by hank_mccoy
wolverine barely won against puma , he admitted himself that he was lucky against puma and that puma should kill him

Originally posted by hank_mccoy
damn even zaran gave him a good fight in wolverine #158

Originally posted by Metalmanx
And why can't Namor do this, too? 😕

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/8903/wend3kl9.jpg

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/6753/wend4ae7.jpg

because namor is no where near the wendigo\movious , wolverine was fighting them both before fighting the complete form of them both , wendigo has a huge arm thats why namor could never do that , namors arm would be cut off , namor is not as strong as wendigo/movious that took the entire alpha flight or no where durable as him , bottom line go read!!!!!!! read!!!! and read!!!!!! the story thats behind the pictures that you post , damn i really think that people here just search for scans on google where wolverine hets hit and no matter whats the reason they will still post it

Originally posted by wolvertooth
because namor is no where near the wendigo\movious , wolverine was fighting them both before fighting the complete form of them both , wendigo has a huge arm thats why namor could never do that , namors arm would be cut off , namor is not as strong as wendigo/movious that took the entire alpha flight or no where durable as him , bottom line go read!!!!!!! read!!!! and read!!!!!! the story thats behind the pictures that you post , damn i really think that people here just search for scans on google where wolverine hets hit and no matter whats the reason they will still post it

Learn your Namor or don't hate, Namor owns Hulk loads of times, Hulk owns Wendigo.

Originally posted by hank_mccoy
thats the problem with wolverine.. he is too much inconsistent , some times they show him avoiding bullets and sometimes they show him get tagged by bullets and even ordinary humans , so people can debate for ever about him because he is very unbalanced character , its like sometimes he is written one way and the other time he is super wolverine and then again he gets his ass kicked all the time, make up your mind already what are his abilities damn writers , i mean wolverine began to be some bad ass since his new origins and issue #43 , before that freakin sabretooth took him out every fight they had, elektra owned him, he got shot too many times to remember , he went toe to toe with the punisher who trashed him a little in h2h fight , i mean if wolverine such a bad ass and such a speedster then how could punisher lay some good beating at him in wolverine #186?, freakin sabretooth killed wolverine in #175 , yes wolverine did not had his healing factor but where the hell is his super duper hydro speed and skills? in wolverine 189 wolverine was humiliated by some cop that hits him from behind and knocks him out then the cop takes him into the woods and beats the crap out of wolverine with a shovel ..... and after all that humiliation he suddenly can take out the thing and namor??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? 😖 😖

elektra never took wolverine out, when they were on that submarine she just attacked him from behind with her sai and later the submarine was damaged so they all felt down it wasnt a fight and wolverine was fighting other soldiers when she attacked him he was in the middle of a fight

sabretooth got some wins over wolverine but he is wolverine arch nemesis he suppose to give him a good fight and yet in issue 175 wolverine did not had his healing factor, was after a very very long fight against omega red and lady death strike , and still wolverine was able to give sabretooth some beating and knock him down into a trap that if sabretooth wouldnt have his healing factor he would die, and sabretooth was hurting wolverine in his wounds that were caused by omega red and lady deathstrike

he beat the punisher and kicked the crap out of him and was laughing at him at the end, yes punisher made couple of hits so what? they had to show him doing something after all it was an entire issue fight , a fight for 24 pages , what did you expect? wolverine beating him for 24 pages? the fact is that wolverine won and humiliated him

go read wolverine 189 and come back to tell me why he got hit by that cop

by the way is it possible that you are just mad because wolverine owned beast in one panel? 😕 , even the cripple thing it took for him a page 😆

Namor will slaughter Wolverine . I'll get itno the hows later

Originally posted by Sub_Mariner
Learn your Namor or don't hate, Namor owns Hulk loads of times, Hulk owns Wendigo.

ordinery wendigo got owned by wolverine 3 times, but it wasnt an ordinery wendigo it was wendigo + mauvious who is a mystical bad ass like doc strange , he owned the entire alpha flight , so before you say somethig go and reat that issue

Originally posted by wolvertooth
ordinery wendigo got owned by wolverine 3 times, but it wasnt an ordinery wendigo it was wendigo + mauvious who is a mystical bad ass like doc strange , he owned the entire alpha flight , so before you say somethig go and reat that issue

If Wolverine beat him, Namor SHOULD have no trouble, read my post SHOULD. Wolverine can't loose now a days.

Originally posted by Sub_Mariner
If Wolverine beat him, Namor SHOULD have no trouble, read my post SHOULD. Wolverine can't loose now a days.

namor should beat wendigo , but not wendigo/mouvious

Originally posted by wolvertooth
namor should beat wendigo , but not wendigo/mouvious

Wolverine beat him? Namor should.

oh and by the way i just saw invincible iron man #12 and namor got his ass kicked real hard by that green thing in the water, slash after slash namor was owned until iron man saved him, if i had a scanner i could show it , its a real humiliation

Originally posted by wolvertooth
oh and by the way i just saw invincible iron man #12 and namor got his ass kicked real hard by that green thing in the water, slash after slash namor was owned until iron man saved him, if i had a scanner i could show it , its a real humiliation

Your point is?

Oh ye Wolverine could own it i bet. 🙄

well he was cutting namor , same thing wolverine can do, and guess what? namor wasnt avoiding the cuts with his super speed as you say he should, he was just getting cut after cut like a loser until iron man saved him

Originally posted by wolvertooth
well he was cutting namor , same thing wolverine can do, and guess what? namor wasnt avoiding the cuts with his super speed as you say he should, he was just getting cut after cut like a loser until iron man saved him

It could Namor, Wolverine cut Namor. How does that remotely prove Wolverine can beat it?

i never talked about wolverine vs that thing, i was talking about the fact that wolverine could do the same thing to namor that this green thing did to him , he was cuting namor and namor couldnt react to avoid it so the same thing would happen against wolverine 🙂

Don't mess with Namor......he tries, man......he tries......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkhaCLx6vys

Originally posted by riceroost
Well 0 for 3 means yes he fights like a retard against Wolverine.

And only against Wolverine?

What was that called again...PIS...

And what was not to be used in logical battles...

Originally posted by riceroost
Wolverine is a better fighter than Namor and better versed in hand 2 hand. He should fight like a retard against Wolvy.

They have roughly the same combat experience (Seeing as Wolverine's training began somewhere when he was about twenty-five, as he was pussy until that...Namor was trained from birth), besides the fact that when Wolverine fights ninjas or SWAT, Namor fights interdimensonal warrior gods and sorcerer demons.

Originally posted by riceroost
If this was a valid reason I would never have to hear about the Garth Ennis Punisher fight again. But I constantly hear about it, therefor it's not a valid excuse. Your "bad writing" fights weren't bad writing all 3 times, sorry. 1 time, maybe, 2 times, a pattern builds, 3 times, Wolverine has his number in a hand 2 hand fight.

All three times were bad writing. Bad writing is when character doesn't fight like he does most of the time, his personality is written wrong and he is portrayed as an idiot.

Sorry, cannot change the facts.

And Ennis Punisher fight was bad writing too…I am not denying it.

Originally posted by riceroost
Maybe so, I dont remember. If Wolverine had used the same tactic against Namor he would be dead or KOed.

Sneak attack does not apply to this fight.

Originally posted by riceroost
What and Wolverine hasn't? *cut because the post won’t fit otherwise*.

And who the hell was talking about Wolverine’s ability to take impaling? Nobody.

Originally posted by riceroost
Feeling the pain? *cut because the post won’t fit otherwise*B]

Helpless, as he was not able to do anything as soon as Hulk was punching him. The same happens again in many points of the issue…

Originally posted by riceroost
[B]What? Can you not read? *cut because the post won’t fit otherwise*[B]

So his healing factor is dependable on if he is in fight, weaker if he is not in fight…?

And Namor is as strong as he is on land, as long as he is not dehydrated.

Originally posted by riceroost
[B]Yeah, unfortunately Wolverine has speed and the ability to dodge as well. Wolverine has easily cut Namor all 3 times they have fought, so your statment is WRONG. Yeah Namor can dodge, just not Wolverine's attacks, as has been proven.

Yeah, and again, Namor only punches him one or two times when they fight, doesn’t even ATTEMPT to dodge, and doesn’t generally do anything that would help him against Wolverine.

Originally posted by riceroost
Jesus Christ!! Again you fail to grasp the concept. Let me spell it out:

WOLVERINE WAS NOT FIGHTING BACK!!!

Sasquatch was Wolverine's friend.*cut because the post won’t fit otherwise*[B]

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/2008/sasquath1mj9.jpg
He didn’t even know him there and was still helpless…

Here he wasn’t even able to get up as Sasquath already continued his assault.
http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/3105/sasquath2nm3.jpg

Originally posted by riceroost
[B]Speculation on your part. I firmly believe Wendigo is stronger than Namor. I do know Wendigo is way more durable on land. No contest. And Wendigo is most likely faster than Namor in a hand 2 hand fight. He slapped around Nightcrawler easily, one of the hardest to hit chars in Marvel. Mauvais/Wendy even moreso.

Wait…I just realized that you think that Wendigo tagging Nightcrawler is impressive then the hundreds of speed feats Namor has…Namor has tagged Speed Demon and Whizzer who are many times harder to hit, so, moot point. Namor is faster then Wendigo BY FAR. You don’t want me to start comparing their speed feats.

Or durability feats either, Namor has that in spades too. Wendigo’s feat list would pale in comparision to Namor.

And as for strength…which one of the characters is the guy who knocked out the Hulk?

Originally posted by riceroost
And how the hell would you know if he was healed pal? B]

Cause he didn’t have any wounds left…

There are the pretty pictures there as well, not the text.

And you know how many attacks actually hit Wolverine in that fight prior that? Four. Namor is able to dish the same amount in milliseconds if he wishes so.

Originally posted by riceroost
[B]Yes he could. After the first hit from Wendi/Mauvais Wolverine did slash him back. That would have stopped the 100+ class assault right there, but considering Wendigo's healing ability…[B]

Again, Wendigo/Mauvais punched him away and stood there waiting for him. Didn’t work. After that, he punched him more then one time, and didn’t stop his assault. It worked.

Basics of fighting.

Originally posted by riceroost
[B]Yeah, he can cover more ground than Wolverine because he can FLY…..

I’m sorry, did I just hear you saying that Storm is faster then Namor in flying?

😂

Storm’s top speed is about 500 mph. Namor has hit speeds five times faster while not even trying.

Seriously, I would advise you to do more research on Namor besides his lowest showings (which are against Wolverine. Surprise, surprise). I don’t base Wolverine’s capabilities on his fight with Punisher or Daredevil…

Wait, I forgot. It’s good to use Wolverine’s highest showings, but when it comes to Namor, you can only use the low ones…

Originally posted by riceroost
Only if he's fast enough, and he hasn't been a good 3 times now, so your using a losing strategy there. Hulk has tried doing that too. Once he got his hands torn up (Namor loses his hands) and the other time he plowed Wolverine's head into the ground, only to have Wolverine flip up onto his back for 4 straight slashes to Hulk's back before Hulk could commence with that lovely 100 class pounding theory your so fond of.

For those good 3 times, he has not used his speed at all.

Originally posted by riceroost
Too easy for Wolverine to cut off his hands.

Despite ever actually cutting material as hard as Namor’s bones. Can you name a material besides adamantium that has taken full shot from Mjolnir without even breaking at all? No? Perhaps something that has survived re-entry from space with multiple times the speed of sound and had no damage? No? How about material that has taken continous assault from Thunderstrike and Hercules and had no damage? Come on. Perhaps something that has taken all-out blast from Ultron and been not harmed (not even shouting in pain, and may I remind you that even low-level blasts from Ultron have broken Hulk’s bones)? How about metal standing atop miniature nuke and been unharmed? Material that has not broken anything while taking full punch from Iron Man and full brunt of his repulsor rays directly after that? Have good time trying. Silver Surfer’s blasts? Thanos’s attacks? All-out Thor assault? Master Khan’s magical beams?

And if you can, can you please tell me when Wolverine has cut material like that?

Because in his 67 years in comics, Namor’s bones have never been broken.

Originally posted by riceroost
Nope, Wolverine has done just fine after Hulk gets ahold of him. Namor wont do anything more than Hulk could. Wolverine has even hit Hulk hard enough to make him lose his grip on Wolverine. Same holds true for him hitting Namor, only moreso since Namor aint as tough.

Except that Namor can actually hit Wolverine a dozen times in second and be smart enough to continue doing so.

Originally posted by riceroost
Nope, Wolverine just has to put up his hands to keep Namor at bay, unless Namor wants to be crippled punching adamantium blades. Wolverine can just as easily get on top of Namor and slash away. And Wolverine's barrage will be more effective than Namor's will. As has been proven.

Somehow, all your examples require Namor to be replaced by a mannequin…you forget that he can adapt to fighting situations as well.

Originally posted by riceroost
Obviously this is BS. In the very Sasquatch issue you failed to use in this argument Sasquatch even comments that his blows didn't hurt Wolverine, but Puck hitting him in the crotch doubles him over. Wolverine responds, "There's no adamantium there." Wolverine shrugs off blows from guys more powerful than Namor, blah, blah, blah.

And how many blows landed to Wolverine? Three?

Nobody is arguing that Wolverine can’t take less then 5 punches from Class 100’s.

Originally posted by riceroost
Your right, I didn't counter anything, I flat out explained to you why your every argument is wrong and does not apply to the issue at hand.

Except that you didn’t.

Originally posted by riceroost
Pffffft. Namor's bones are not adamantium, nor are they of a stronger or even remotely as durable substance, therefor they would get cut.

” Because in his 67 years in comics, Namor’s bones have never been broken.”

Actually, I wouldn’t say that they are that far behind adamantium.

Originally posted by Zahit
Don't mess with Namor......he tries, man......he tries......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkhaCLx6vys

For all of Namor vaunted speed and fighting skilled every encounter he has had with the Hulk, he has been hit numerous times. In fact Hulk has proven, more then once, that on land Namor isn't even a threat to him... even when Hulk is weaken from being separated from Banner and Namor has Iron Man, Wonder Man, She Hulk, Hercules and others with him to fight. Namor has been hit by the Hulk on land. He has been hit by the Hulk under the sea. He has been hit by Captain America, Spider-man and Daredevil too. He has been hit by Hercules and he has been hit by the Thing. He has been hit by Tiger Shark and most of all he has been hit by Wolverine. Thats just how it is. He isn't some phenomenal fighter who weaves in and out of combat stay just out of reach and the hammering home when he finds an opening and the dancing just out of reach immediately after. He is a brawler, and an average brawler at that.

Wolverine is compact, lower to the ground with a lower center of gravity meaning he has leverage, he is a smaller target and he has almost no openings. He is more skilled and even if he wasn't his body type and fighting style gives him an advantage in combat. His combat reflexes and speed are, at the very least, the equal of Namor. Wolverine will hit Namor in a fight. He will hit Namor more then once before Namor hits Wolverine. Wolverine has claws, his attacks are more likely to be fatal. Thats it. Thats all their is to it.

But I'm preaching to a guy who thinks that Namor's bones are almost as hard as adamantium. Good luck with that by the way.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
For all of Namor vaunted speed and fighting skilled every encounter he has had with the Hulk, he has been hit numerous times.

So has Wolverine....yet you have him block, dodge or speedblizt Namor apparently faster then Namor can react...and as a proof of this you use feats outside his fights with another characters.

I'm just doing the same, don't be a hypocrite.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
In fact Hulk has proven, more then once, that on land Namor isn't even a threat to him... even when Hulk is weaken from being separated from Banner and Namor has Iron Man, Wonder Man, She Hulk, Hercules and others with him to fight.

Using one fight with strongest incarnation of Hulk, good job. And that fight happened on desert, and Hercules stated that Namor was weak there.

Namor has gone toe to toe with Savage Hulk, Dark Hulk and other incarnations. Now, note that only time Wolverine has actually been able to go toe to toe with any incarnation of Hulk, was against the weakest one, post Heroes Reborn Hulk.

Here's by the way couple of examples. Against Savage Hulk ON LAND.
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/4306/defenders05203gu4.jpg
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/6646/defenders05208pm4.jpg
http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/7006/defenders05209eh4.jpg
http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/7669/defenders05211zz0.jpg
http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/722/defenders05213aj2.jpg
http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/924/defenders05214rf0.jpg

And guess what, Namor only started using speed in the very last point of the battle.

Here's Namor's fight against smart Hulk with the power Sorcerer Supreme. (A hell of a lot more impressive then getting your ass beat with Wendigo with the powers of some sorcerer that Sorcerer Supreme of any universe would beat in a blink).
http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/9893/namorvsdarkhulk12uk.gif
http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/1638/namorvsdarkhulk26ft.gif
http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/8523/namorvsdarkhulk33eb.gif
http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/5644/namorvsdarkhulk40yd.gif
http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/8383/namorvsdarkhulk50ic.gif
http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/5650/namorvsdarkhulk60vv.gif
http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/2950/namorvsdarkhulk72we.gif
http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/1476/namorvsdarkhulk83vd.gif
http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/6966/namorvsdarkhulk98ae.gif

Blows Dark Hulk landed: 1. (And even that was a surprise attack) Blows Namor landed: 8.

Guess which one of the characters is faster?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Namor has been hit by the Hulk on land. He has been hit by the Hulk under the sea. He has been hit by Captain America, Spider-man and Daredevil too. He has been hit by Hercules and he has been hit by the Thing. He has been hit by Tiger Shark and most of all he has been hit by Wolverine.

Except that Hulk doesn't land a hit when Namor uses his speed. Except that Captain America gets pwned unless Namor is mind-controlled or cocky 18 year old. Except that Spider-Man can land a hit on Namor only with help of tricks and surprise attacks, and even then Namor landed more punches on him, except that Thing is not a threat if Namor takes the fight seriously, excapt that Daredevil has actually said that Namor moved to fast for him, except that Tiger Shark gets beaten in one or three panels when Namor is angry...

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Thats just how it is. He isn't some phenomenal fighter who weaves in and out of combat stay just out of reach and the hammering home when he finds an opening and the dancing just out of reach immediately after. He is a brawler, and an average brawler at that.

Except that he can be when he needs to do something like that, and HAS danced around his enemy's reach.

And he is probably the most skilled brawler there is, who actually has speed combined with it.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Wolverine is compact, lower to the ground with a lower center of gravity meaning he has leverage, he is a smaller target and he has almost no openings.

You talk like his adamantium claws protect every fricking point in his body, and he is so small that Namor won't even be able to see him. He is not. It doesn't matter where Namor hits him, as long as he continues that punch with another, and another and another...

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
He is more skilled and even if he wasn't his body type and fighting style gives him an advantage in combat.

That would be if Namor was Class 1 instead of Class 100...and didn't have greater speed feats...and would actually be moving in the battle.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
His combat reflexes and speed are, at the very least, the equal of Namor. Wolverine will hit Namor in a fight. He will hit Namor more then once before Namor hits Wolverine.

Except that he won't, unless you are ignoring every single dodging and speed feat Namor has. You see, Wolverine has to hit a fatal place. Namor can hit anywhere he wants.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Wolverine has claws, his attacks are more likely to be fatal. Thats it. Thats all their is to it.

Flesh wounds rarely are fatal...and Wolverine won't be cutting through Namor's bones.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
But I'm preaching to a guy who thinks that Namor's bones are almost as hard as adamantium. Good luck with that by the way.

Oh yeah, guess whose bones didn't break when he hit a robot MADE OUT of adamantium as hard as he could?

this thread is so retarded, wolverine fans need to shut up.