Originally posted by UtrigitaAnd PIS incidents are according to forum rules not to be used in debates
so why doesn't we just have a nice little fire...
Scathan never appeared in Marvel before,
Scathan was never defeated before,
Scathan has no known power-set that we know of.
His first appearance, is all we have to go by,
and according to that only arc he's ever been a part of,
he was = or above the LT. (people see it differently)
Scathan being a Celestial, is the paradox.
Originally posted by UtrigitaAnd the on panel feat was to blast him from behind and place a energy blanket over his head... It seems more like a observation on Eternity's part since as mentioned repeatedly through the comic Scathan was only there to observe (he breaks his vow but hey)
The on panel feat was a gesture: 👇
this gesture was the manifestation of Scathan's power,
indeed, it instantly made Protege in-affective.
Originally posted by Utrigitahttp://img253.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ltisom4vl7.jpg
The starband he cannot possess it because of it's power
(either way that's what I gather from the scan)
That's because the LT must be apart, even though he could be all,
he can not partake in the squabbles of greed and power ambitious desires like non-concepts do,
the LT must follow protocol if he wishes to keep his status as ultimate Judge.
Also,
the Strabrand is an anomaly within the prime Multiverse.
I remember the same thing happened
when the Stranger brought a planet from the New Universe into Eternity,
it contained the Starbrand,
the LT had to seal that planet in an impenetrable barrier,
to avoid it upsetting the balance.
Originally posted by UtrigitaYes the Amulet of the Ancient one (ore what is was) ambed LT 😂
I will tend to disagree master since Scathan (as you mentioned yourself is a celestial) showed a powerlevel far above what any Celestial has ever been seen operating on.
By using a energy muzzle as Il mentioned on the previous page that is in reality all what Scathan did on panel, blasted Protege from behind and then placed the energy muzzle above his head, and then he let LT handle the rest.
Ahh okay my bad.
That I'm mentioning it ore that is happened in the comic 😉
👆 In a nut shell.
Originally posted by UtrigitaI will tend to disagree master since Scathan (as you mentioned yourself is a celestial) showed a powerlevel far above what any Celestial has ever been seen operating on.
By using a energy muzzle as Il mentioned on the previous page that is in reality all what Scathan did on panel, blasted Protege from behind and then placed the energy muzzle above his head, and then he let LT handle the rest.
If Scathan can put an energy muzzle to Protege, he can downright do it too to LT. LT is much weaker than Protege, he had to use his 'amulet' to amp himself up.
This is how I think the hierarchy should be:
TOAA > The Beyonders (ALL) > Death Wings (ALL) > Scathan > Protege > Molecule Man > LT
I'd put LT above Protege if he taps on his 'amulet'
Originally posted by occultdestroyer
If Scathan can put an energy muzzle to Protege, he can downright do it too to LT. LT is much weaker than Protege, he had to use his 'amulet' to amp himself up.This is how I think the hierarchy should be:
TOAA > The Beyonders (ALL) > Death Wings (ALL) > Scathan > Protege > Molecule Man > LT
I'd put LT above Protege if he taps on his 'amulet'
I do not agree. Protege copied LT's power and didn't immediately have omnicience. Thus the entire affair was orchestrated by the one above all. He's the only one who could over rule the Lt's omnicient powers.
Originally posted by fangirl101
I do not agree. Protege copied LT's power and didn't immediately have omnicience. Thus the entire affair was orchestrated by the one above all. He's the only one who could over rule the Lt's omnicient powers.
I disagree. My opinions are based on on-panel facts, not mere assumptions.
Protege copied LT's power + other celestial/cosmic powers, thus making him stronger and more powerful than LT. If it wasn't for Scathan's muzzle and LT's 'amulet', LT was done for.
With LT's power, Protege could very well be the ultimate judge to replace LT. He could also replace/remove Eternity if he so desires, although this can cause an imbalance to the whole Omniverse.
I understand that TOAA is the ONLY one who can dictate the actions of every character in Marvel. I'm not that dumb, you know.
But I have my share of doubts about LT's 'omniscience'.
He has been beaten so many times by beings supposedly weaker than him, it's not even funny.
I'm quite sure that the Beyonders are more powerful than LT, since their powers are a million times stronger than that of the Marvel multiverse.
And the Death Wings, well we all saw what they can do to Galactus. Imagine a whole flock of them attack the LT
Originally posted by occultdestroyer
I disagree. My opinions are based on on-panel facts, not mere assumptions.Protege copied LT's power + other celestial/cosmic powers, thus making him stronger and more powerful than LT. If it wasn't for Scathan's muzzle and LT's 'amulet', LT was done for.
With LT's power, Protege could very well be the ultimate judge to replace LT. He could also replace/remove Eternity if he so desires, although this can cause an imbalance to the whole Omniverse.
I understand that TOAA is the ONLY one who can dictate the actions of every character in Marvel. I'm not that dumb, you know.
But I have my share of doubts about LT's 'omniscience'.
He has been beaten so many times by beings supposedly weaker than him, it's not even funny.
I'm quite sure that the Beyonders are more powerful than LT, since their powers are a million times stronger than that of the Marvel multiverse.And the Death Wings, well we all saw what they can do to Galactus. Imagine a whole flock of them attack the LT
Then all of the LT's bios are wrong. He is not the 2nd most powerful being in all of marvel creation. The LT is so far above all other beings that all thier power stacked wouldn't be enough to beat him or even add to his power.
Originally posted by fangirl101The Lt is the second most powerful being in all of marvel creation. Again Lt had to draw power from the amulet against the Protege. If the Protege wasnt a multiversal threat then the Lt wouldnt have gotten involved. He didnt face off against Thanos in the ig because he was above the ig. The Protege was a threat to him hence his involvement.
Then all of the LT's bios are wrong. He is not the 2nd most powerful being in all of marvel creation. The LT is so far above all other beings that all thier power stacked wouldn't be enough to beat him or even add to his power.
Originally posted by occultdestroyerThis is how I think the hierarchy should be:
TOAA > The Beyonders (ALL) > Death Wings (ALL) > Scathan > Protege > Molecule Man > LT
In the present day Marvel Universe:
TOAA > LT > Beyonders > MM (Owen's alter ego) >>>> Death Wings.
In the Future, at-least by the 31st century in the Marvel Universe:
TOAA > Scathan > Protege > LT > BeyonderS > MM (Owen's alter ego) >>>> Death Wings.
Since time isn't a factor to the LT,
we might as well extract Protege from the equation,
cause Protege is trapped for all eternity withIN the LT.
Originally posted by occultdestroyerProtege copied LT's power + other celestial/cosmic powers, thus making him stronger and more powerful than LT. If it wasn't for Scathan's muzzle and LT's 'amulet', LT was done for.
The powers Protege copied were,
he GOTG/Mephisto and his daughter,
post-retcon Beyonder/Hawkgod/Eternity and the LT.
Originally posted by occultdestroyerWith LT's power, Protege could very well be the ultimate judge to replace LT. He could also replace/remove Eternity if he so desires, although this can cause an imbalance to the whole Omniverse.
Originally posted by occultdestroyerBut I have my share of doubts about LT's 'omniscience'.
He has been beaten so many times by beings supposedly weaker than him,
it's not even funny.
Originally posted by occultdestroyerI'm quite sure that the Beyonders are more powerful than LT,
since their powers are a million times stronger than that of the Marvel multiverse.
Above the LT though?
Nah.
Originally posted by occultdestroyerAnd the Death Wings, well we all saw what they can do to Galactus.
Imagine a whole flock of them attack the LT
Originally posted by Mr Master
I have no idea what you're disagreeing with here.
That the incident cannot be removed because of the PIS that concerns it, Scathan Clearly operated far above what Any single Celestial have ever showed prior, it directly contradicts (as you have said yourself many times) everything we know about the Cosmic Hierarchy. I know that handbook stats that Scathan > LT even though LT is said to second to Toaa.
Originally posted by quanchi112
The Lt is the second most powerful being in all of marvel creation. Again Lt had to draw power from the amulet against the Protege. If the Protege wasnt a multiversal threat then the Lt wouldnt have gotten involved. He didnt face off against Thanos in the ig because he was above the ig. The Protege was a threat to him hence his involvement.
If anything him drawing power from the amulet showed how small the space in powerlevel between LT and Protege in reality was, the Amulet own energy would be like a drop in the ocean compared to LT's power. Imo it's like talking the multiverse and pit it against LT no matter how many eternity's you add they still get owned, because LT operates on a level of infinity so far above them that they cannot reach it, and numbers wouldn't matter.
Thanos with the Heart of the Universe is a better illustration actually. No matter how many that battled him they would still be beaten.
Originally posted by UtrigitaYeah I dont think the Protege dwarfed the power of the Lt at all but I think he did slightly surpass it.
If anything him drawing power from the amulet showed how small the space in powerlevel between LT and Protege in reality was, the Amulet own energy would be like a drop in the ocean compared to LT's power. Imo it's like talking the multiverse and pit it against LT no matter how many eternity's you add they still get owned, because LT operates on a level of infinity so far above them that they cannot reach it, and numbers wouldn't matter.Thanos with the Heart of the Universe is a better illustration actually. No matter how many that battled him they would still be beaten.
Thanos with the heart was simply unbeatable with what we have seen on panel imo. 🙂
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yeah I dont think the Protege dwarfed the power of the Lt at all but I think he did slightly surpass it.Thanos with the heart was simply unbeatable with what we have seen on panel imo. 🙂
The amount would be so insignificant that a amulet could surpass it.
Yes he was, before Thanos attained the Heart of The universe the LT was the top of the food chain, at that point of time he would have been unbeatable.
