Scathan the Approver vs The Living Tribunal

Originally posted by Air Legend
Are you blind? He clearly assaulted everyone in the picture (LT was there).

Protege clearly didn't assault anyone in that picture.

Protege says "prepare yourself for eternal Oblivion" and then kaboom and in the very middel of the scan we have Protege being thrown forward. If that is a attack it has to be the strangest one I have ever seen he clearly changes his body position and then energy that was showed emiting from him in the panel above is now gone. and again we have Scathan appearing directly afterwards not approving, from my point of view it's obvious that Scathan attacked Protege because he didn't approve of Protege making ready to destroy the abstracts

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/441437/Pro6.jpg.html

Originally posted by Utrigita
Protege clearly didn't assault anyone in that picture.

Protege says "prepare yourself for eternal Oblivion" and then kaboom and in the very middel of the scan we have Protege being thrown forward. If that is a attack it has to be the strangest one I have ever seen he clearly changes his body position and then energy that was showed emiting from him in the panel above is now gone. and again we have Scathan appearing directly afterwards not approving, from my point of view it's obvious that Scathan attacked Protege because he didn't approve of Protege making ready to destroy the abstracts

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/441437/Pro6.jpg.html

okay

I believe Scathan was backed up by TOAA. Because Celestials (even whole race from all realities) are so beneath Protege that it isn't even funny and than one Celestial, Scathan, comes and stop him. I think he was fully backed up by TOAA (especially because he didn't even look having trouble in stoping him).

👆 ... I agree X.

Originally posted by Utrigita

Protege clearly didn't assault anyone in that picture.

Protege says "prepare yourself for eternal Oblivion" and then kaboom and in the very middel of the scan we have Protege being thrown forward. If that is a attack it has to be the strangest one I have ever seen he clearly changes his body position and then energy that was showed emiting from him in the panel above is now gone. and again we have Scathan appearing directly afterwards not approving, from my point of view it's obvious that Scathan attacked Protege because he didn't approve of Protege making ready to destroy the abstracts

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/441437/Pro6.jpg.html

Protege definitely attacked in that scan:

We clearly see everyone in the panel being affected.
(LT looks peculiar, but imo, the artist included him as part of the group getting owned)

Notice the thing that owned Protege (Scathan) is not there.

Also,
the fact that the LT had to increase his power by tapping into the 'Amulet'
assures us that Protege was quite capable of doing what's being depicted in that panel.

Is it pis?

Heck yea.

Did it happen though, as in, is it canon?

Yea.

Originally posted by Mr Master
👆 ... I agree X.

I have to disagree.

Protege definitely attacked in that scan:

We clearly see everyone in the panel being affected.
(LT looks peculiar, but imo, the artist included him as part of the group getting owned)

Notice the thing that owned Protege (Scathan) is not there.

Also,
the fact that the LT had to increase his power by tapping into the 'Amulet'
assures us that Protege was quite capable of doing what's being depicted in that panel.

Is it pis?

Heck yea.

Did it happen though, as in, is it canon?

Yea.

Originally posted by Air Legend

Nah, dude I thought the same at first, but Ultrigrita is right.
Scathan's the one that caused the kaboom. Just look at the orange fumes.

The fumes give it away.

(nice catch Utrigita)

Still though,
Protege had surpassed the LT in power, which is funny,
this we know, but what we also know,
is that Scathan came with his kaboom,
and everyone, including the LT, were thrown around by it.

This (at-least in this arc)
convincingly places Scathan above them both.

Not to mention the LT needed the Amulet
to try and do what Scathan did with a gesture and under his own power.

The PIS thickens. 🙂

Thanks both of you 🙂

There is a scan master that points towards that not being the case... Something about LT saying there is only one above LT ore something along that line. Again a example of how bad this comic is written.

I cannot decisively agree with you master that LT was owned too, from my point of view he remains standing along with Eternity and Hawkgod and they "shields" themselves from the impact (even though it appears that Hawkgod was knocked further back then Eternity), the mortals as expected gets thrown around. What I would like was to see all of LT's face and not just his eyes, along with eternity face instead of his back.

What really makes my angry when dealing with this comic is the amulet, especially since we know that LT is not allowed to attempt to raise his own powerlevels beyond there already existing capacity.

TOAA > Beyonder > Molecule Man > Scathan > Protege > LT

Why?
LT passes judgment, but it can only be done when Scathan approves it. It shows that Scathan is fully backed up by TOAA. LT's role is to be a judge, but the execution of judgment is initiated either by TOAA himself or Scathan.

Originally posted by Utrigita

Thanks both of you

Originally posted by Utrigita

There is a scan master that points towards that not being the case... Something about LT saying there is only one above LT ore something along that line.
Again a example of how bad this comic is written.

It also does not dismiss the fact that when Beyonder said,
any and all realities rests on the boy
the LT agreed with logical confirmation.

Originally posted by Utrigita

I cannot decisively agree with you master that LT was owned too, from my point of view he remains standing along with Eternity and Hawkgod and they "shields" themselves from the impact (even though it appears that Hawkgod was knocked further back then Eternity), the mortals as expected gets thrown around. What I would like was to see all of LT's face and not just his eyes, along with eternity face instead of his back.

Originally posted by Utrigita

What really makes my angry when dealing with this comic is the amulet, especially since we know that LT is not allowed to attempt to raise his own powerlevels beyond there already existing capacity.

Protege had his power, plus the addition of all the rest save for Scathan.

Originally posted by occultdestroyer
TOAA > Beyonder > Molecule Man > Scathan > Protege > LT

Why?
LT passes judgment, but it can only be done when Scathan approves it. It shows that Scathan is fully backed up by TOAA. LT's role is to be a judge, but the execution of judgment is initiated either by TOAA himself or Scathan.

I'm not sure I agree with your list. I'd place Scathan ahead of Owen and add Mad Jim Jaspers ahead of Molecule Man. Possibly ahead of Scathan.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
I'm not sure I agree with your list. I'd place Scathan ahead of Owen and add Mad Jim Jaspers ahead of Molecule Man. Possibly ahead of Scathan.

What makes Jim Jaspers more powerful than either Scathan or Molecule Man?
IMO he's just a Marvel version of Mr. Mxyptlk

Well, for one, he's an omniversal threat. I think me putting him above Scathan is too much. But, I'd him in the same league as MM or above.

Originally posted by Mr Master
👆

Well have been thinking about it for some time but haven't had the chance to discuss it with the majority of the cosmic interested posters, until now.

Originally posted by Mr Master
That's better labelled as bad writing,
cause that scan of the LT saying that
does not dismiss the fact that he needed the 'Amulet' to judge Protege

It also does not dismiss the fact that when Beyonder said,
any and all realities rests on the boy
the LT agreed with [b]logical confirmation.[/B]

I Know but my point was to show the contradictions that are residing in this book, that one second LT finds it impossible that anyone is above him the next he agrees with beyonder and then again Beyonder was wrong.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I didn't say Scathan owned him,
I said the LT along with the rest, were thrown around,
the artist wouldn't have included the LT in that scan
if he didn't want to portray that, imo.

Okay my bad, however what level does we put into Thanos blasting Back Galactus does we say Thanos > Galactus?

Originally posted by Mr Master
He raised them, cause Protege was above him in power by that point.

Protege had his power, plus the addition of all the rest save for Scathan.

Yet a scan that you yourself have posted in the Living Tribunal Respect thread directly says that the LT is not allowed to raise his own powerlevels, and in reality that shouldn't be required either since LT is only second to TOAA, also that drawing on a amulet would make LT more powerful seems laughable.

Originally posted by Utrigita

Well have been thinking about it for some time but haven't had the chance to discuss it with the majority of the cosmic interested posters, until now.

Originally posted by Utrigita

I Know but my point was to show the contradictions that are residing in this book, that one second LT finds it impossible that anyone is above him the next he agrees with beyonder and then again Beyonder was wrong.

In the LT respect thread, I clearly blasted the events of this arc,
had it not been for my discovery that it is confirmed as canon,
I would never accept any of this.

And even then, I still say it's pis, but canon pis nonetheless.

Originally posted by Utrigita

Okay my bad, however what level does we put into Thanos blasting Back Galactus does we say Thanos > Galactus?

I place Scathan according to his feat over Protege,
who was, insane as it is, more powerful than LT.

In the end, Eternity actually comments, that Scathan approves,
as though Scathan had the last say in all this.

Originally posted by Utrigita

Yet a scan that you yourself have posted in the Living Tribunal Respect thread directly says that the LT is not allowed to raise his own powerlevels

Originally posted by Utrigita

and in reality that shouldn't be required either since LT is only second to TOAA, also that drawing on a amulet would make LT more powerful seems laughable.

The Amulet? 😆

Originally posted by Mr Master
Indeed.

Yes.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Look, the arc itself makes me dubious about everything that took place.

In the LT respect thread, I clearly blasted the events of this arc,
had it not been for my discovery that it is confirmed as canon,
I would never accept any of this.

And even then, I still say it's pis, but canon pis nonetheless.

And PIS incidents are according to forum rules not to be used in debates 🙂 so why doesn't we just have a nice little fire...

Originally posted by Mr Master
I wasn't placing Scathan based on that particular incident.

I place Scathan according to his feat over Protege,
who was, insane as it is, more powerful than LT.

In the end, Eternity actually comments, that Scathan approves,
as though Scathan had the last say in all this.

And the on panel feat was to blast him from behind and place a energy blanket over his head... It seems more like a observation on Eternity's part since as mentioned repeatedly through the comic Scathan was only there to observe (he breaks his vow but hey)

Originally posted by Mr Master
I don't recall.

http://img253.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ltisom4vl7.jpg

The starband he cannot possess it because of it's power (either way that's what I gather from the scan)

Originally posted by Mr Master
I definitely agree.

The Amulet? 😆

Yes the Amulet of the Ancient one (ore what is was) ambed LT 😂

Heh...

These conversations always amuse me.

There is an issue with all of this speculation though. Scathan simply did a 👇 and places an energy muzzle on an unsuspecting Protege, restraining him. He never exerted any actual power upon Protege in a direct assault and counter assault, and never removed the power Protege already possessed. There's no basis whatsoever behind the assertion that Scathan>>>LT based on Protege, an impetuous and arrogant child, being muzzled. In that entire sequence LT doesn't act until the very end. The power Protege possessed was never removed from him, he was simply restrained by Scathan, then LT orders Scathan to remove the restraints so that Protege can make his peace before he, LT, levies judgement on Protege.

This entire scenario makes absolutely no sense. 😆

👆

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
I'm not sure I agree with your list. I'd place Scathan ahead of Owen and add Mad Jim Jaspers ahead of Molecule Man. Possibly ahead of Scathan.

As powerful as MJJ was, he would be easily owned by Scathan, Protege or LT.

Protege was so powerful, it's ridiculous.

The Beyonders would beat MJJ too imo.