is killing animals alright?{vegetarianism/buddhism etc}

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
It's not, is it? You said bears aren't helpless because they have NATURAL means of defending themselves, right? Against what? Other natural means, exactly.

If they evolved with bulletproof skin, you'd have an argument. It's natural defense against unnatural means of attack, so the bear having claws and teeth doesn't remove from it being helpless when facing off against a shotgun or a rifle.

-AC

I'm aware that firearms give people a tremendous advantage, and that we didn't just evolve them.

The thing is, the fact that you're anit-gun pretty much compromises your opinion of the matter. You dislike people owning guns more than you like cute little furry animals.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
I'm aware that firearms give people a tremendous advantage, and that we didn't just evolve them.

The thing is, the fact that you're anit-gun pretty much compromises your opinion of the matter. You dislike people owning guns more than you like cute little furry animals.

Well, I think both are in a way equal reasons when discussing hunting.

Originally posted by InnerRise
Ok. So you said Humans have an unfair advantage over animals.

So in my comparison/example......the Lion represented the human, which has the unfair advantage over the animal, the Gazelle.

It showed that this "unfair advantage" that you spoke of, is apart of the much bigger picture.

I don't see you complaining about other species that have advantages over others.......b/c it's a natural part of life and this applies to humans as well so you shouldn't be complaining.

It's nothing wrong with Humans having this "unfair advantage." One species will always have an unfair advantage over another. It's the Circle of Life and it provides balance and structure.

You see it as being "unfair" and wrong when it's simply not.

Anata wa wakarimasu ka.....

Yes, the lion is larger, faster, more powerful than a Gazelle. THIS is not an unfair advantage. having a gun IS an unfair advantage.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Totally flawed, as I have factually proven here:

"No, it's not walking around with a weapon it made, just like the gazelle isn't riding around on a motorcycle, escaping lions.

Your comparison is dumb. Great White Sharks have better...everything than more or less any fish in the sea, or any mammal in the sea for that matter, naturally though. It didn't go to a Walmart and buy .45 calibre teeth to hunt a dolphin.".

Humans with guns have an unfair advantage, lions hunting gazelles do not. Fact. We're talking about how Quiero said a bear isn't helpless and cited natural means of defense as a reason why...against firearms. It's a simple concept, one side has an unfair advantage.

-AC

The concept of "Fairness" is a human construct. The lion pretty much has every advantage over the gazelle.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
The concept of "Fairness" is a human construct. The lion pretty much has every advantage over the gazelle.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
I'm aware that firearms give people a tremendous advantage, and that we didn't just evolve them.

The thing is, the fact that you're anit-gun pretty much compromises your opinion of the matter. You dislike people owning guns more than you like cute little furry animals.

Once more, without the chicken dance;

You said that a bear isn't helpless, when against a gun, it is isn't it? Against rifles, shotguns and other man-made, lethal weaponry, it is. So you can go ahead and retract your statement, instead of foolishly trying to use "YOU'RE ANTI-GUN!" stance.

We're not discussing who should be allowed guns and who shouldn't, we're discussing your very silly claim that bears are not helpless against hunters with MAN-MADE WEAPONRY because they have claws and teeth.

-AC

By biting it's neck.

Precisely, by biting its neck.

READ my post first. A lion kills a gazelle by natural means, what it is given by nature, just as a gazelle has the chance (and can succeed) to evade it by natural means.

So, in light of you saying THIS:

"I'm aware that firearms give people a tremendous advantage, and that we didn't just evolve them.".

Your argument is stupid.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Once more, without the chicken dance;

You said that a bear isn't helpless, when against a gun, it is isn't it? Against rifles, shotguns and other man-made, lethal weaponry, it is. So you can go ahead and retract your statement, instead of foolishly trying to use "YOU'RE ANTI-GUN!" stance.

We're not discussing who should be allowed guns and who shouldn't, we're discussing your very silly claim that bears are not helpless against hunters with MAN-MADE WEAPONRY because they have claws and teeth.

-AC

Yes, I acknowledged it already. The bear is basically out of it's league aganst a gun. I'm not avoiding admitting anything.

But you also can't honestly tell me that the fact that you're gun-phobic makes your opinion slanted.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Precisely, by biting its neck.

READ my post first. A lion kills a gazelle by natural means, what it is given by nature, just as a gazelle has the chance (and can succeed) to evade it by natural means.

So, in light of you saying THIS:

"I'm aware that firearms give people a tremendous advantage, and that we didn't just evolve them.".

Your argument is stupid.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Precisely, by biting its neck.

READ my post first. A lion kills a gazelle by natural means, what it is given by nature, just as a gazelle has the chance (and can succeed) to evade it by natural means.

So, in light of you saying THIS:

"I'm aware that firearms give people a tremendous advantage, and that we didn't just evolve them.".

Your argument is stupid.

-AC

I never made an argument.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Yes, I acknowledged it already. The bear is basically out of it's league aganst a gun. I'm not avoiding admitting anything.

But you also can't honestly tell me that the fact that you're gun-phobic makes your opinion slanted.

W-what is the argument here. I don't follow.

If it is that it is unfair to use firearms against animals......that's stupid, unfair is a totally subjective term, you could just as well claim that it is unfair for a bear to use its claws, but its teeth are alright.

If it is that guns are not natural as in they did not evolve...well...that's trivial?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Lion is an animal. Gazelle is an animal. they HAVE to kill in order to eat, to survive, and they do so with what they were given, THAT is what we call the food chain. they do so with their teeth and their claws, not with a frigging rifle.

Yes, the lion is larger, faster, more powerful than a Gazelle. THIS is not an unfair advantage. having a gun IS an unfair advantage.

And advantage is an advantage.

Having a gun is an advantage. I don't view it as unfair.

Man has gun.

Lion has claws and sharp teeth.

Simple and Clean.

Anata wa wakarimasu ka.....

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Yes, I acknowledged it already. The bear is basically out of it's league aganst a gun. I'm not avoiding admitting anything.

But you also can't honestly tell me that the fact that you're gun-phobic makes your opinion slanted.

We're not discussing the right to have guns, or guns' place in the world, my opinion on this matter is not about guns themselves, so you're chasing the wrong stick, Quiero.

The only thing relevant is your stance that a bear isn't helpless, you were wrong. Point made and end of argument on my end. Even if I was pro-guns, my argument would stand, a bear is still helpless.

-AC

Originally posted by InnerRise
To be clear. I was just using your wording of "unfair", note the quotes all throughout.

And advantage is an advantage.

Having a gun is an advantage. I don't view it as unfair.

Man has gun.

Lion has claws and sharp teeth.

Simple and Clean.

Anata wa wakarimasu ka.....

Lions evolved with that, nature gave it to them.

Nature did not give humans guns.

Your argument is flawed and wrong, factually.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
We're not discussing the right to have guns, or guns' place in the world, my opinion on this matter is not about guns themselves, so you're chasing the wrong stick, Quiero.

The only thing relevant is your stance that a bear isn't helpless, you were wrong. Point made and end of argument on my end. Even if I was pro-guns, my argument would stand, a bear is still helpless.

-AC

The bear isn't helpless. I think you need to hunt before you make assertions.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
The bear isn't helpless. I think you need to hunt before you make assertions.

Against a shotgun or a rifle, it is.

I think you need to hunt a bear with your bare hands, Quiero.

-AC

Originally posted by InnerRise
To be clear. I was just using your wording of "unfair", note the quotes all throughout.

And advantage is an advantage.

Having a gun is an advantage. I don't view it as unfair.

Man has gun.

Lion has claws and sharp teeth.

Simple and Clean.

Anata wa wakarimasu ka.....

He doesn't care, RJ.

That's his stance, he sees it his way, doesn't care to debate further, despite being wrong. In all honesty, just leave him to his devices, don't let him make the thread about himself.

-AC