also, jean is an unfair one to judge. since it isnt her direct mutation which gives her the powers of the phoenix which she might evolve into due ot her omega level, but the fact that she came into contact with the phoenix directly and started weilding its full power because of the contact as did rachel etc.
MJJ
HoM Wanda
Jamie Braddock
Havok merged
White Crown Phoenix
I noticed a few people putting Jamie above MJJ. My problem with this is Jamie seems to have a weakness easier to exploit than 616 Jaspers. He can't pluck the stings of phased beings. Before his rebirth, the only way to defeat MJJ was to chuck him into unspace. A feat, seemingly, only the Fury is capable of.
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
MJJ
HoM Wanda
Jamie Braddock
Havok merged
White Crown PhoenixI noticed a few people putting Jamie above MJJ. My problem with this is Jamie seems to have a weakness easier to exploit than 616 Jaspers. He can't pluck the stings of phased beings. Before his rebirth, the only way to defeat MJJ was to chuck him into unspace. A feat, seemingly, only the Fury is capable of.
Jamie demonstrated immense power
when he warped the White Hot Room effortlessly. (a nexus)
Before that
he was manipulating entire Universes from via comic books in his reality. 😂
And even manipulating entire Universes from other separate Universes.
Jamie also merged Jaspers/Fury,
besides being said to be manipulating events across the Omniverse
Wanda resurrected Jaspers,
and Wanda was just beyond uber during HOM,
she remade the entire 616 reality into her image, (monster)
and she literally tore the Omniverse to pieces,
then she just as easily put the Omniverse back to normality with a spoken thought.
So both are above him.
Originally posted by Knowsbleed331. Jamie has to physically warp reality. Jim effortlessly warps with his mind.
Also, these strings he pulls on are all around him,
it's not like he has to reach out and find them,
the flick of a wrist is enough to nullify all the Sound waves in a Universe:
Or, turn all the Stars in a Universe into cartoonish snowflakes:
He's not really even gesturing, just willing it,
also, that not even Jamie,
that's Jamie 616 controlling another Jamie he created
just to mess with Excalibur in that alternate reality.
And still, look at those feats, uber.
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33When 616 Jim was at his height
it was stated on panel that his power was growing exponentially.
Jim being more powerful than Matrix/Merlin says it all.
HOM Wanda ... the most powerful Mutant ... EVER!
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The Scarlet Witch's Reality Warp (the Chaos Wave)
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Meggan (attuned to the Timestream) saw Wanda's Wave of power coming:
"It is the End ... of All that is ... of All that will ever be"
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The Wave passes through:
"I was hoping, praying with all my heart ... that is was just a bad dream"
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"In the fullest sense of the word, we live totally ordered lives.
Time & Space, our every perception of Reality,
is defined, governed, by what we call natural laws.
They provide the foundation & structure of our very existence.
Now, imagine them totally stripped away.
No more boundaries,
what quantum physicists like to call Branes, between Dimensions"
"No coherence to Causality.
Only Primal Chaos,
beyond the comprehension of any sentience
no matter how grandiose its opinion of itself
And this is just the beginning"
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Roma's Starlight Citadel (an Omniversal nexus) crashes also,
and since it is an access point to All Realities:
"from this venue,
the Guardian of Reality can view events on EVERY PLANE of the OMNIVERSE"
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We witness Wanda's power crashing All Realities in the Omniverse into one:
"At the Center point of Creation is the Starlight Citadel of Brian's ultimate boss,
Roma, the Celestial Guardian.
Her power is all that her title implies and more.
Doesn't matter ... doesn't save her.
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Finally all the UniverseS accessible through the Starlight Citadel are warped together:
"Her great Hall would fit entire Planets, with room to spare.
But when her Citadel falls,
that impossible vast space is suddenly crowded worse than rush hour ...
with an inconceivable variety and number of species,
as ALL the Dimensions there are suddenly crash together into one."
Nothing makes sense anymore, especially not who's supposed to be dead. (MJJ)
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As we can SEE!!!
The Chaos Wave resurrected Mad Jim Jaspers!
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The Chaos Wave is literally Wanda's power:
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PROOF!!! (or rather official Marvel Handbook confirmation)
In THREE separate Bios
1.
"During the Scarlet Witch's 'House of M' Reality Warp,
Jaspers Reformed alive merged with the Fury"
2.
"Mad Jim Jaspers has also returned,
brought back to life by the Scarlet Witch's recent Reality Warp"
3. Wanda even gave Layla the power to "Perceive Divergent Realities" with her Chaos Wave:
"Layla showed Cage glimpses of his life prior to the Scarlet Witch's Reality Warp"
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Wanda warped the Omniverse!
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With the line "No More mutants",
Wanda managed to shift Reality "causing cracks across ALL Realities."
Allowing the Shadow King to slip back into the 616 universe.
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Balasco says,
"Two Siblings" (Wanda & Pietro)
"Force ALL of Reality to CHANGE"
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Carol (Ms Marvel) says,
"She changed the World once huh?"
"Yes, ... but She Altered ALL of Reality"
NOT just the World, but ALL of Reality"
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Again, more Bio confirmation:
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Ms Marvel's mini-2008 Spring bio, (on panel) states,
"When an insane Scarlet Witch warped All Reality"
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Indeed:
"Not long ago, the Omniverse was swept
by a Temporal Reality Wave of unimaginable power,
that literally tore the Continuum to bits and Re-arranged it"
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Indeed again!
Nightcrawler tells Cyclops,
"Rachel mentioned something from her dream
about a powerful 'Chaos Wave'
Scott, what's going on Just what are we dealing with here? ... "
Scott responds,
"Good Lord, Wanda, what else have YOU done to us?"
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So to this day, still right now,
Wanda's feat is recognized as affecting All of Marvel's Reality. (everything)
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House of M
http://www.marvel.com/universe/House_of_M
"Marvel Universe was transformed into the House of M" (Earth-58163)
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The Marvel freakin Universe baby ... Wanda warped it ALL!!!
Currently, I don't see anyone stopping that Wanda, except Living Tribunal.
Heck, if include any being, any artifact that ever was in Marvel Universe, there aren't many that could stop her (maybe not even ten, Living Tribunal, PR Beyonder, PR MM, Protege, Scathan and THOTI).
She was so powerful that she made uber powerful beings look not that powerful next to her.
Originally posted by Xplosive
Currently, I don't see anyone stopping that Wanda, except Living Tribunal.Heck, if include any being, any artifact that ever was in Marvel Universe, there aren't many that could stop her (maybe not even ten, Living Tribunal, PR Beyonder, PR MM, Protege, Scathan and THOTI).
She was so powerful that she made uber powerful beings look not that powerful next to her.
I disagree a bit with you here X, I think the Beyonders could stop her too, and possibly a wielder with the IG.
