Top 5 Most Powerful Mutants

Originally posted by King Kandy
If Jamie was capable of defeating First Fallen on his own then why did he bother with the team? Seems like he needed help to defeat First Fallen, for instance he needed Psylock to attack FF because she was immune to his warp so it seems Jamie couldn't do it himself. If Jamie is > FF then MJJ should be above Jamie since he can defeat a Phoenix-level being without any help.

Well apparently not since he needed Psylock. Though it is relevant that that was a person possessed by FF and not FF himself.

Originally posted by King Kandy

If Jamie was capable of defeating First Fallen on his own then why did he bother with the team? Seems like he needed help to defeat First Fallen, for instance he needed Psylock to attack FF because she was immune to his warp so it seems Jamie couldn't do it himself.

Who said he needed the team?

Who said he needed Psylock to attack first?

When did the team even battled the First Fallen?

Where are you getting these mis-informed ideas from?

Again, NEVER at any time, was Jamie in danger by the First Fallen,
they never battled on panel.

btw. Love the way you continue to ignore
that it was Jamie that made Psylock immune.

Yes, after he snuffed her life out with a gesture,
and then gave her life again with another gesture:

Then he literally is the one that empowers her with yet another gesture:

What's wrong with you today K?

This is unseemly.

Originally posted by King Kandy

If Jamie is > FF then MJJ should be above Jamie
since he can defeat a Phoenix-level being without any help.

Please, show us this proof that states,
or shows Jamie needing any help from anyone to do anything.

Enough already.

Originally posted by Mindset

Hmmm, if Psylocke was immune to his warp, and Jamie made her immune, shouldn't he be able to make himself immune, thus Jaime > FF?

Besides that he killed/resurrected & empowered Psylock with gestures,
yet somehow Psylock was going to be able to do something he could not.

dontgetit

I don't think K right now wants to understand
that Jamie was just letting Psylock be a hero,
she never had a chance against the embodiment of the FF,
she never damaged the embodiment in anyway whatsoever,
Jamie did all the work that was never seen on panel,
so really, what help he's talking about beats me.

Okay fine you win this argument. I was just confused having never read the story other then a wikipedia summary or seen any scans.

Top three

Jamie Bradock-Omniverse Threat
Mad Jim Jasper-Omniverse Threat
HOM Scralett Witch-Omniverse Threat

WC Phoenix-Multi-verse
Franklin

Originally posted by the Darkone
Top three

Jamie Bradock-Omniverse Threat
Mad Jim Jasper-Omniverse Threat
HOM Scralett Witch-Omniverse Threat

The on panel feat is posted here:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=467093&pagenumber=15

Originally posted by the Darkone

WC Phoenix-Multi-verse
Franklin

Originally posted by Mr Master
WC Phoenix is Universal, never done anything on a Multiversal level.

No, posting scans and your interpretations of those scans does not change anything.

Originally posted by Creshosk

Says you.

Originally posted by Creshosk

And no marvel does not say that,
that's just your interpretations of events that has you thinking that marvel says that.

Jean Grey's (WC Phoenix Bio of 2008)

Power on a Universal scale!

yawn

Originally posted by Creshosk

No, posting scans
and your interpretations of those scans does not change anything.

First up,
I challenge you to show us WC or any Phoenix performing a single Multiversal feat.

What handbook is the HOTU bio in?

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist

What handbook is the HOTU bio in?

But, hey, we at-least have it at Marvunapp:

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix3/celestialorderthanos.htm

They have Thanos taking out the prime Multiverse,
then of course creating it anew.

Whether it will be exactly like this in the New Handbooks,
I don't know.

Originally posted by Mr Master
The Handbooks haven't finished being published for this year,
hopefully we'll be getting that bio in there now.

But, hey, we at-least have it at Marvunapp:

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix3/celestialorderthanos.htm

They have Thanos taking out the prime Multiverse,
then of course creating it anew.

Whether it will be exactly like this in the New Handbooks,
I don't know.

handbooks, on kmc?

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist

Have they ever had one for HOTU?

I would've posted it the minute I had it. 🙂

They may include it this year, although it has been 5 years and counting.

Originally posted by Raoul

handbooks, on kmc?

Otherwise, they're inconsequential.

Originally posted by Mr Master
So long as it's just to confirm/solidify what took place on panel. 🙂

Otherwise, they're inconsequential.

Oh what? You're going to post scans and your interpretation of those scans? and then say that Marvel agrees with you?

Its funny how predicted your response to my last post was.

Originally posted by Mr Master
So long as it's just to confirm/solidify what took place on panel. 🙂

Otherwise, they're inconsequential.

fair enough...

i disagree on two points.

one, the handbook saying phoenix is universal rather than multiversal could be something as little as semantics... just because he says universal doesnt mean he's limiting it to one universe...

far as wanda goes... was it ever explained why the ultimate universe was left unaffected (if it was)

i'm not a huge fan of either of them (as GS will tell you as regards Phoenix), so i'm not trying to claim one is more powerful than the other...

Why is it that all reality warping psycho Brits where top hats?

Originally posted by Creshosk

Yeah, too bad it doesn't really confirm anything.

And to be technical,
Phoenix has NEVER done anything to the 616 Reality.

The ONLY Universal feats she has, is on an alternate reality,
and she also destroyed a "What if" Universe on two separate occasions.

Originally posted by Creshosk

Oh what? You're going to post scans and your interpretation of those scans?
and then say that Marvel agrees with you?

Its funny how predicted your response to my last post was.

Do what you do friend, and have fun. 🙂

Back on ignore
until you produce that single occasion where ANY Phoenix performs a Multiversal feat.

lol

For all your knowledge and respect you have around here you still don't grasp temporal mechnics.

When we first saw Age of Apocalypse, that WAS 616... its not 616 anymore, but at the time up until X-Men Omega it was.

Just like Here comes tomorrow. You can deny it all you wish... but that doesn't change things.. and yeah once again you just gave your interpretations of events. With your flawed understanding of temporal mechanics.