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Originally posted by Raoul

i disagree on two points.

one, the handbook saying phoenix is universal rather than multiversal could be something as little as semantics... just because he says universal doesnt mean he's limiting it to one universe...

I only posted her 2008 bio cause some one said:

Originally posted by same ol, same ol

Says you.
And no marvel does not say that,

that's just your interpretations of events
that has you thinking that marvel says that.

Phoenix has never created a single Universe (alternate or not)
Phoenix has destroyed a single Reality twice, both times were withIN "What ifs" 😂

Phoenix has repaired a Universal Timeline atomically (the future of reality 15104)

That's it.

Originally posted by Raoul

far as wanda goes... was it ever explained why the ultimate universe was left unaffected (if it was)

Only the 616 Reality was left unmolested by her chaos wave,
and that's because she completely re-created the 616 Reality in her image,
although even 616 was gonna get it,
cause it was returning to it's source, Wanda, who was in 58163 (616 remade)

Originally posted by Mr Master
Phoenix isn't Universal because the bio staes it,
it's because those are the On Panel facts.

what on panel facts limit the phoenix?

I only posted her 2008 bio cause some one said:

Phoenix has never, ever performed a single Multiversal feat.
Phoenix has never destroyed/warped/or re-created 616.

Phoenix has never created a single Universe (alternate or not)
Phoenix has destroyed a single Reality twice, both times were withIN "What ifs" 😂

Phoenix has repaired a Universal Timeline atomically (the future of reality 15104)

That's it.

here comes tomorrow, she reset 616...

Wanda tore the Omniverse to pieces, so everything went.

Only the 616 Reality was left unmolested by her chaos wave,
and that's because she completely re-created the 616 Reality in her image,
although even 616 was gonna get it,
cause it was returning to it's source, Wanda, who was in 58163 (616 remade)

so she just didnt want to change the other ones?

Didn't she technically just wind 15104 back to the divergence from 616 to make sure it didn't occur?

Originally posted by Raoul

what on panel facts limit the phoenix?

This Universal power of hers has only been applied to one alternate reality,
and two What If diverged realities.

Oh, she did once in yet another alternate reality,
psychically link with every being in that Universe.

Originally posted by Raoul

here comes tomorrow, she reset 616...

616 was doing just fine in the year 2004,
while Phoenix was dealing with Reality 15104 in the year 2154,
just another of the countless possible futures of 616.

Originally posted by Raoul

so she just didnt want to change the other ones?

Originally posted by illadelph12

Didn't she technically just wind 15104 back to the divergence from 616
to make sure it didn't occur?

Gotta give her credit though where it's do,
she did repair 15104's future atomically,
but,
even this was performed withIN the WHR (A Hospital for realities)
so can she do that outside the WHR?

Perhaps, but it's never been done on panel before.

You do realize don't you that if Phoenix didn't exist then Cyclops wouldn't have changed his mind, and would have wound up creating "Here comes tomorrow" don't you?

Of course you don't. No grasp of temporal mechanics.

15104 was 616 until She forced Scott to stay with Emma and the school. Thus she prevented 616 from becoming 15104. 15104 is the alternate future of 616 that she prevented from occuring.

But you don't care about that...

Originally posted by illadelph12
Didn't she technically just wind 15104 back to the divergence from 616 to make sure it didn't occur?

no, it was 616 right up until she decided to fix it, then reset time, forcing those years in between to become 15104...

Originally posted by Mr Master
In her dreams, I see you've been sold that line too,

sold that line? pr1983

if you believe that, I'll tell ya another,
she also saved Galactus from the previous Universe's destruction. 😆

616 was doing just fine in the year 2004,
while Phoenix was dealing with Reality 15104 in the year 2154,
just another of the countless possible futures of 616.

umm, no, imo...

it was 616 when jean died, it was 616 when scott left, and it was 616 up until jean woke the hell up and realised that scott was the key, so she went back, manipulated him into staying, thereby relegating those years in between to being 15104...

are those years in between considered 15104? sure, but only after jean's reset, they were 616 right up until she decided to manipulate scott, so its still a manipulation of 616...

I suppose, they didn't divulge her reasons.

oki doki...

Originally posted by Mr Master
Sort of, but not even,
she mind raped Scott, who was the power behind the divergence,
without Scott, reality 15014 would have never existed,
she mind raped Scott on 616, changing his decision,
this simple feat, altered 15104's existence.

Gotta give her credit though where it's do,
she did repair 15104's future atomically,
but,
even this was performed withIN the WHR (A Hospital for realities)
so can she do that outside the WHR?

Perhaps, but it's never been done on panel before.

Originally posted by Creshosk
You do realize don't you that if Phoenix didn't exist then Cyclops wouldn't have changed his mind, and would have wound up creating "Here comes tomorrow" don't you?

Of course you don't. No grasp of temporal mechanics.

15104 was 616 until She forced Scott to stay with Emma and the school. Thus she prevented 616 from becoming 15104. 15104 is the alternate future of 616 that she prevented from occuring.

But you don't care about that...

Originally posted by illadelph12
Didn't she technically just wind 15104 back to the divergence from 616 to make sure it didn't occur?

Originally posted by illadelph12

read my post foo'

Originally posted by Raoul
no, it was 616 right up until she decided to fix it, then reset time, forcing those years in between to become 15104...

So the future where Sublime ran things was 616 until Jean wound it back, then it became 15104?

Originally posted by illadelph12
So the future where Sublime ran things was 616 until Jean wound it back, then it became 15104?

bingo.

Originally posted by Raoul
read my post foo'

Who you callin' a foo sucka!!! pigfight

Originally posted by illadelph12
Who you callin' a foo sucka!!! pigfight

😆

Originally posted by Raoul
bingo.

So does 15104 still exist (the Sublime Future), or another alternate where Jean doesn't fix it?

Originally posted by illadelph12
So does 15104 still exist (the Sublime Future), or another alternate where Jean doesn't fix it?

i dont know, to be honest... maybe it carried on as if she hadnt fixed it...

Originally posted by illadelph12
So does 15104 still exist (the Sublime Future), or another alternate where Jean doesn't fix it?

Originally posted by Creshosk
If it didn't it wouldn't have that designation.

hmm...

Then the question would be whether 15104 is the same divergent universe that was corrected by Jean, or if there is yet another universe where Jean didn't force Scott to stay with Emma and Sublime is still in power (since Pig says Jean fixed 616 and 15104 was the result of the fix, though that doesn't make sense because if the Sublime Future was 616 and Jean rolled it back, wouldn't that mean 15104 is the divergent where Sublime rules, not the 616 where Jean repaired)?

Originally posted by illadelph12
hmm...

Then the question would be whether 15104 is the same divergent universe that was corrected by Jean, or if there is yet another universe where Jean didn't force Scott to stay with Emma and Sublime is still in power (since Pig says Jean fixed 616 and 15104 was the result of the fix, though that doesn't make sense because if the Sublime Future was 616 and Jean rolled it back, wouldn't that mean 15104 is the divergent where Sublime rules, not the 616 where Jean repaired)?

the herecomes tomorrow future of 616 became 15104, rather than 616, when she severed it from 616. 15104 is the future where she didn't fix things...

If that makes sense.
15104 is the future of "here comes tomorrow".

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