Originally posted by Mr MasterThat's kinda how time manipulation works. Events occur and then the time travel and the events unoccuring.
Actually on panel,Reality 15104 had formed in the last page of issue#150, because of Scotts decision.
And Phoenix forced Scott's mind to change in issue#154.
So that's impossible.
Originally posted by Mr MasterWhat issue did all this happen in Mr M?
Havok became one/merged with the Nexus of All Realities. (ultimate Nexus)He can literally collapse all the Realities in Marvel.
Besides that, he curbstomped the Goblin Force,
and nullified it from the Omniverse.The Goblin Force curbstomped the embodiment of the Phoenix Force (hostless)
and then absorbed it.
................................................................................The Goblin Force was trying to steal Havok's power to destroy the Omniverse,
it merged with the essence of the Beyonder and went on a quest to find Havok.
Havok was newb with the power he had now possessed,
but as soon as he figured out how to harness his power,
(with the help of Strange, Reed & others)
he became an uber god, and erased the GF in every Reality in Marvel simultaneously.This all heppened On Panel, unlike Hyperstorm's ridiculous hyperbole.
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And HOM SW is BY FAR the most powerful mutie, imo.
Originally posted by Merlyn
What issue did all this happen in Mr M?
What do you want first?
The embodiment of the Phoenix Force (hostless) getting stomped by the Goblin Force?
Or Havok and his display of power with the Nexus of all Realities within him?
Originally posted by Merlyn
And HOM SW is BY FAR the most powerful mutie, imo.
I definitely agree.
Originally posted by Merlyn
Issue numbers of both instances would be nice.
The embodiment of the Phoenix Force (hostless) gets stomped in Mutant X #11 or 12.
(I have to look that up, I'm sure it's one of the two)
The Watcher was re-telling the story of the Goblin Force:
It's just like Three pages: (here are the relevant scans)
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Uatu speaks,
"We are the Watchers, we observe, we Know that which the Goblin Entity is capable of,
We were there, at the Birth of the Universe, and witnessed the Goblin Entity begin,
watched as the blight of the Goblin Entity spread across the ever expanding Universe,
and threat Creation itself"
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The 5 Host of Celestails >>>>>>The Phoenix Force or Galactus
"We watched as it DEVOURED the Phoenix Force and added its Power to its own,
watched as Galactus himself fell before it's Power,
Only when the Fifth Host of Celestials stood before its Power was the Goblin Entity halted,
their great Race devastated, they managed to diminish its Power and contain it"
Havok merged with the Nexus of All Realities in "The Key" arc:
(Issues # 31 (2001 Annual) - #32)
(here are the relevant scans)
Alex Summers a.k.a. Havok
The Beyonder re-emerges from a state of suspended animation, revived by another "Force" ... this "Force" has merged with him after the "Force" had absorbed a portion of the true Nexus of ALL Realities.
Beyonder reaches into the mind of Captain America and looks into some of his Past,
"A Dimensional Walker? He (Alex) came to this place from another Reality"
"He subdued the Goblin Queen? She is a Force of Universal Nature, How could a Human (Alex)...? Yes ... I see it now.
He (Alex) wields more Power than he could possibly imagine"
So Beyonder realizes it's Alex Summers who contains unimaginable power, and now seeks to find him, in order to take it from him.
Beyonder levitates and mind rapes the World's population then kills everyone:
(Well those that didn't survive the fall atleast)
If Beyonder finds Havok this will be the outcome:
"He will End everything ... the Multiverses ... the Past ... the Present ...
the Yet to Be ... will all be Destroyed"
Can anyone say OMNIVERSE!!!
This isn't just the Beyonder though:
continues in the next post ...
Havok finds out for the first time that the Nexus of Realities resides within him:
"The Nexus of Realities is not just a place ... it is a Force of Nature ...
the Fabric of that which binds ALL Reality together ...
the Nexus transported itself to your body"
Alex has not yet adapted at properly harnessing the energies of the Nexus, so Reed builds a suit for Alex that will draw on the powers of Dr Strange - Mordo and Xavier, to help Alex harness the power of the Nexus:
Alex confronts the Beyonder, and the Beyonder reveals the puppeteer:
The Goblin Queen
The Goblin Queen tries to mind rape the inexperienced Alex:
But Alex fights back, but the Goblin Queen is confident:
"This entire World ... and Countless Others will fall before me"
Havok and the Goblin Queen battle in a different Plane of Reality:
"In the Countless MultiverseS you (Alex) alone are unique"
"So much Power in such a small mind ...
we could have Conquered the Multiverses together ... Now I will have to do it alone"
Alex finally adapts to his power by using Dr Strange - Mordo and Xavier to harness the power of the Nexus, Alex absorbs the Goblin Queen into the Nexus erasing her from existence, and then becomes ONE with the Nexus ensuring no one else will ever be able to tap into it's power, save him.
Alex Summers a.k.a. Havok becomes the Nexus of ALL Realities in the Omniverse:
The series has been kept in continuity for a while and it took the story Years to reach this climatic finality.
Back in 1999, Havok was realizing his Wife Madelyn had been over taken by the Goblin Queen:
This is Canon 616 Havok by the way, that just happens to be in this Alternate Reality:
Dr Strange tells Alex about the Nexus of Realities, while they battle the GQ and her minions in the swamps where the Nexus is located:
Havok tells Strange to teleport himself and the rest of his mates out of there:
To seemingly destroy the Nexus of all Realities:
Havok thought he destroyed the Nexus of all Realities, and Strange danced around the notion, that's because Strange wanted to keep it a secret from Alex and the rest, to essentially protect him, from others that might try to usurp his power that lays latent within him.
Several Years later it ties into this, like I posted earlier.
Strange explaining that moment back in 1999 when Havok thought he destroyed the Nexus, but in fact, the Nexus transported itself into Havok's body:
btw. the Beyonder, Strange, the Ancient One, Reed Richards, Dracula and the Goblin Queen all seemed to agree on Havok and his power.
MultiverseS (plural) was mentioned several times.
Originally posted by Mr Master
I definitely agree.
By reading what Havok is capable of, no way HOM SW is by far he most powerful mutant.
There is no way of telling if she would own Havok, if they would go full out.
She did more to the Omniverse, because she went all out, her powers went mad, out of control, if Havok would want to do something like that or to go out of control, he would probably be even worse than her.
Due to what he is, I would favor him over HOM SW and wouldn't be surprised at all, if he would come out victories.
Alex cannot and has not harnessed the power of the Nexus without a lot of outside help, so actually he is not one of the most powerful mutants around because 1.) you have to be able to use power to make you powerful, and 2.) he isn't the Nexus because of his genetic mutation he is the Nexus because his character sucked just enough ass to be taken out of 616, but not enough to be killed off during the explosion which was meant to do just that. And by what standard are we basing how powerful one is, Wanda can warp reality on very large scale, and isn't she a nexus being which makes her just as unique as Havok? He doesn't even survive channeling the Nexus he died, that's what the blackness meant every other time he fell into it during Mutant X and somebody always had to bring him back. Making him the Nexus was the only way for marvel to explain his traveling to that crappy mutant x reality and was certainly the only way he would have gotten back. He sucks and the Blade of the Phoenix was enough to take him down with one shot.
Originally posted by Mr Master
The embodiment of the Phoenix Force (hostless) gets stomped in Mutant X #11 or 12.
I'd hardly call it a stomp, because it was just him telling the story of how it was devoured and added as a power source not destroyed, nor does it give any indication of what went on before it was devoured. The Watcher has been around a long time and apparently so has the goblin force at least in mutant x land it could have battled with the Phoenix for eons as well as Galactus, you say stomped as if he said the Goblin force quickly and effortlessly did these things it did, so saying it was a stomp is speculation. Just as assuming it was hostless is speculation as well, it could very well have been in possession of a host. And why is it so easy to listen to the Watcher of another reality when it talks about the Phoenix, but ignore what the Watcher of 616 Earth said about the Phoenix when it was first encountered in comic books? I'm really not looking for a response to this because you have no proof of this so called stomp or hostlessness, just making an observation.
Jean Grey is the WCP and Jean is definitely a mutant, death told her it was her unique power to wield the Phoenix, in Xmen forever she accepted this and her DNA burned with the cosmic flame, in endangered species Dark Beast says that AOA Jean Grey is beyond mutation and belongs to some higher category. He talks about how every cell in her body is a separate center of power. He compares her to "white fountains of spontaneous energy of cosmic birth" or something like that. Jean is an omega level mutant with unlimited potential for power which manifests as the Phoenix.
Originally posted by LordKaos
I'm really not looking for a response to this because you have no proof of this so called stomp or hostlessness, just making an observation.And why is it so easy to listen to the Watcher of another reality
That was Uatu dude.
And yes, I've seen all your proof ... uhh actually hum no I haven't.
All I've seen is you rant about how the on panel evidence is this or that,
basically "I don't agree with what I just saw, so I'll just run around it,
with massive speculation, conjoured theories and plain old yip yap."
Explain, explain away, whatever,
you defied the on panel and bio evidence concerning Wanda.
You now attack Havok,
and are attempting to diminish what he became and what he did.
And now, you're hypothesizing a bunch of gibberish about the Phoenix,
which was cleraly stated On Panel to be devoured (STOMPED) and then absorbed,
by the Goblin Force.
I took you serious yesterday, when I saw your intransigence concerning Wanda,
I decided to indulge you accordingly. (that is, ignore)
no time for circles over here dogs.
Believe, or make up what you wish. We're done. 🙂
