Top 5 Most Powerful Mutants

Started by LordKaos25 pages

Originally posted by Mr Master
That was Uatu dude.

And yes, I've seen all your proof ... uhh actually hum no I haven't.

All I've seen is you rant about how the on panel evidence is this or that,
basically "I don't agree with what I just saw, so I'll just run around it,
with massive speculation, conjoured theories and plain old yip yap."

Explain, explain away, whatever,
you defied the on panel and bio evidence concerning Wanda.
You now attack Havok,
and are attempting to diminish what he became and what he did.
And now, you're hypothesizing a bunch of gibberish about the Phoenix,
which was cleraly stated On Panel to be devoured (STOMPED) and then absorbed,
by the Goblin Force.

I took you serious yesterday, when I saw your intransigence concerning Wanda,
I decided to indulge you accordingly. (that is, ignore)
no time for circles over here dogs.

Believe, or make up what you wish. We're done. 🙂


The burden of proof is on you, I haven't made any claims it is you with your myopic view of how you think the marvel universe is run that needs proof, first you try to make it look like I don't know who was responsible for the wave, I am quite aware, what you have not and cannot answer is why you insists on saying she is sustaining it and then go on to say because the chaos wave was her reality warp and brought back MJJ she was spewing forth reality warping energy continuously throughout the entire time the wave was in motion, all you have proved is that her reality warp became the chaos wave (something I knew already) not that she is fueling it after she cast the initial warp or that in a battle she can call up another one.

You diminished what he did when you posted scans of him needing help from four different people to access the nexus. Fact, it is not a part of his genetic mutation and there is nothing that shows he can access it again without those same circumstances, therefore he is not among the top 5, just like the Chaos wave was made under special circumstance that were not under her control so how in fact is Chaos Wave an option for her.

You speculated that the Phoenix was stomped and hostless without proof of either except an ambiguous statement made by the Watcher saying it was devoured and added to the Goblin Force, a stomp would suggest that the Goblin Force went up to the Phoenix and it was powerless to do anything and was eaten and added, all the Watcher said was that it was devoured and added and in the same breath without any detail as to how it happened went on to say how Galactus fell, you drew the conclusions as to what the Watcher meant when he said this, I just pointed out that there is no way anyone could say it was stomped by going by that statement, nor is there anyway to know that it was hostless going by the picture or the dialog.

When did we ever start, I told you there was no need to respond because you can not prove anything you said about what happened between the Goblin Force and the Phoenix all you have is one sentence and a picture of the two and how you interpreted it. This is a debate forum why wouldn't I be intransigent about something I disagree with?
No time for circles, this from the guy who posted scans of MMJ being resurrected in an attempt to prove that Wanda was sustaining the wave, if you were truly indulging me (ignoring) then why the rant, now my post is a rant because it's questioning your interpretations of the myriad of scans that hardly prove your case, because you have not in anyway addressed the issue of the force propelling the wave merely the cause of it, why if she was spewing did it not burst through the newly sealed wall like it did to every other wall; your answer is because she was in 616, now tell me again how that's not speculation on your part since you're so fond of throwing that word around whenever somebody questions your very opinionated interpretations. Now we're done.

Same ol' same ol' durznuts

I see the agenda now, demean all others that threaten the Phoenix. 😆

Who are you really? hm

Every Mutant was put down except for Phoenix,
and yet it's Phoenix that get's curbstomped left & right,
by no bodies like this nobody:

(From the Official Marvel Universe Handbook 2005)

"Jean Grey was KILLED by an Electromagnetic Pulse,

this SHATTERED the FORCE into Billions of PIECES"

..................................................................................

On Panel verification:

Xorn, KILLING Jean Grey (Phoenix) with an Electromagnetic Pulse

Beast remembers:

yawn

Yea I know, there's another essay coming to explain this away.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Same ol' same ol' durznuts

I see the agenda now, demean all others that threaten the Phoenix. 😆

Who are you really? hm

Every Mutant was put down except for Phoenix,
and yet it's Phoenix that get's curbstomped left & right,
by no bodies like this nobody:

(From the Official Marvel Universe Handbook 2005)

"Jean Grey was KILLED by an Electromagnetic Pulse,

[B]this SHATTERED the FORCE into Billions of PIECES"

..................................................................................

On Panel verification:

Xorn, KILLING Jean Grey (Phoenix) with an Electromagnetic Pulse

Beast remembers:

yawn

Yea I know, there's another essay coming to explain this away. [/B]

No, just calling it PIS because electro magnetic energy is harmless to the human brain.. in fact we use it in our MRI devices to scan our brains to look for things wrong with them.

Its another example of Plot induced stupidity of the writer not understanding how the things they're using actually work. An in comic explination would be that she shut herself down to dow the level of phoenix work that she needed.

Short answer: It's PIS because of MRIs.

Originally posted by Creshosk
No, just calling it PIS because electro magnetic energy is harmless to the human brain.. in fact we use it in our MRI devices to scan our brains to look for things wrong with them.

Its another example of Plot induced stupidity of the writer not understanding how the things they're using actually work. An in comic explination would be that she shut herself down to dow the level of phoenix work that she needed.

Short answer: It's PIS because of MRIs.

or the writer doesnt know shit about real life magnetic energy

😆 😆 : Grow up, this proves that the Goblin Force stomped the Phoenix Force how? Show some dignity and cut it out, you can't prove something so you think by showing Xorn killing Jean Grey who had not yet reached White Crown yet, that I'll what exactly? How exactly am I demeaning other mutants by questioning why you think they are so great?
Fact: Havok can't as far as on panel feats go access the Nexus of his own volition.
Fact: You don't know if the wave was sustained by Wanda or butterfly effect or you would have shown me already, what you posted earlier is not proof of that it's pictures with speculation.
Fact: You have no proof or anyway of obtaining proof that Goblin Force stomped a hostless Phoenix
Fact: you seem to like my "essays" as you call them or you would just bow out gracefully, because as far as my posts are concerned you with all your scans, overly opinionated interpretations and your passive aggressive attempts to be condescending have fallen short and proved nothing, I guess that's why you posted that scan. May I remind you that it was you who brought up the Phoenix to begin with, in your attempt to force people to believe Havok and some power he can't tap on his own ranks him among the top 5 most powerful mutants. 😆 😆 😆

Originally posted by Creshosk
No, just calling it PIS because electro magnetic energy is harmless to the human brain.. in fact we use it in our MRI devices to scan our brains to look for things wrong with them.

Its another example of Plot induced stupidity of the writer not understanding how the things they're using actually work.

🙄

Originally posted by Creshosk
An in comic explination would be that she shut herself down to dow the level of phoenix work that she needed.

What comic?

Unless it was stated that she wittingly and willingly got fried,
I'm not buying this.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Short answer: It's PIS because of MRIs.

Where's the PIS in this?

Bio and On Panel accounts depicting the Phoenix Force (Host-less)

getting OWNED
...................................................................................

1.

Bio

"The FORCE was Transported to the Ultraverse by a Sentient Alien Starship"

On Panel verification

The SHIP,

rips a HOLE in Space & Time in front of the PHOENIX FORCE in it's own Dimension,

"Out of one marvelous Universe and into another"

...................................................................................

2.

Bio

"it intended to use the FORCE'S Energy to power the recombination ...

IMPALED on a Lance of Energy ...

WOUNDED the Force sought out a host to Protect it as it HEALED"

On Panel verification

"Impaled, Spitted, the PHOENIX writhes as it's LIFE is SUCKED OUT"


"It has never known PAIN of this magnitude, it SCREAMS"

"It's willfully TORTURING the PHOENIX" ..... am I imagining things,
or is it's FIRE GOING OUT,

the COLORS are FADING, like it's DYING"

"TRULY,

the PHOENIX is BATTLING for IT'S LIFE
against the sear of Light that is STRIPPING it's POWER AWAY"

"WOUNDED the PHOENIX FALLS,

to SURVIVE, to MEND, to HEAL,

it MUST find a Host"

...................................................................................

😆 😆

blahblah

😆 😆 😆

Hey, look at me, I'm a winner too now.

Nowadays this is all it takes to stroke one's own ego without merit.

Not you Cresh (You're actually a serious and true debater)

Originally posted by Mr Master
🙄
Roll your eyes all you want, it doesn't make MRI's dangerous.

Originally posted by Mr Master
What comic?

Unless it was stated that she wittingly and willingly got fried,
I'm not buing this.

Its the most logical explination without retardation. and it coorelates to the suicide on the moon with the jean shell/clone.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Where's the PIS in this?
Umm.. because people use electromagnetic energy in Magentic resonance imaging in order to look at peoples brains. People can't even feel the electromagnetic aenergy going right through them when it occurs. I'vehad multiple in the past and am still alive.

So I really doen't see theis as being acceptable.

Originally posted by Mr Master
[B]Bio and On Panel accounts depicting the Phoenix Force (Host-less)

getting OWNED[/b]

it RETARDED! DEEDEDEE!

The writers ****ed up, they needed an excuse to kill her and chose a retarded explination.

Originally posted by Mr Master
...................................................................................

1.

[B]Bio

"The FORCE was Transported to the Ultraverse by a Sentient Alien Starship"

On Panel verification

The SHIP,

rips a HOLE in Space & Time in front of the PHOENIX FORCE in it's own Dimension,

"Out of one marvelous Universe and into another"

...................................................................................

2.

Bio

"it intended to use the FORCE'S Energy to power the recombination ...

IMPALED on a Lance of Energy ...

WOUNDED the Force sought out a host to Protect it as it HEALED"

On Panel verification

"Impaled, Spitted, the PHOENIX writhes as it's LIFE is SUCKED OUT"


"It has never known PAIN of this magnitude, it SCREAMS"

"It's willfully TORTURING the PHOENIX" ..... am I imagining things,
or is it's FIRE GOING OUT,

the COLORS are FADING, like it's DYING"

"TRULY,

the PHOENIX is BATTLING for IT'S LIFE
against the sear of Light that is STRIPPING it's POWER AWAY"

"WOUNDED the PHOENIX FALLS,

to SURVIVE, to MEND, to HEAL,

it MUST find a Host"

................................................................................... [/B]

See, NOW I'm startign to suspect an agenda... I'm talking about one feat being shit writing by someone whos a writer and obviously doesn't understand science. And you bring up this anti-phoenix propaganda?

Originally posted by Creshosk
Roll your eyes all you want, it doesn't make MRI's dangerous.

Its the most logical explination without retardation. and it coorelates to the suicide on the moon with the jean shell/clone.

Umm.. because people use electromagnetic energy in Magentic resonance imaging in order to look at peoples brains. People can't even feel the electromagnetic aenergy going right through them when it occurs. I'vehad multiple in the past and am still alive.

So I really doen't see theis as being acceptable.

it RETARDED! DEEDEDEE!

The writers ****ed up, they needed an excuse to kill her and chose a retarded explination.
See, NOW I'm startign to suspect an agenda... I'm talking about one feat being shit writing by someone whos a writer and obviously doesn't understand science. And you bring up this anti-phoenix propaganda?

How is an MRI really comparable to a lance of energy?

Originally posted by Creshosk
Roll your eyes all you want, it doesn't make MRI's dangerous.

Its the most logical explination without retardation. and it coorelates to the suicide on the moon with the jean shell/clone.

Umm.. because people use electromagnetic energy in Magentic resonance imaging in order to look at peoples brains. People can't even feel the electromagnetic aenergy going right through them when it occurs. I'vehad multiple in the past and am still alive.

So I really doen't see theis as being acceptable.

it RETARDED! DEEDEDEE!

The writers ****ed up, they needed an excuse to kill her and chose a retarded explination.

I understood what you first posted, it made sense.

I was asking, where is the PIS in this (meaning the new scans I just posted)

I was wondering if more excuses were going to be posted. (and not by you particularly)
There's another making an excuse for every other Mutant feat
(except for Phoenix of course)

Your explanation about MRIs/EMP was reasonable and accepted.

I didn't know the eye rolly smilie was snide.
I always thought it meant something to the effect of "oh well" ...

Originally posted by Creshosk
See, NOW I'm startign to suspect an agenda... I'm talking about one feat being shit writing by someone whos a writer and obviously doesn't understand science.

Hope I cleared that up. 🙂

Originally posted by Creshosk
And you bring up this anti-phoenix propaganda?

It's the "pro-phoenix" agenda that's irking me (again, not by you)

So I figured I'd oblige.

Please, don't mind it, it's just to irk back another's obssession.

Cat's trying to make me look like I picked up a comic yesterday, that's a no, no.

Originally posted by Mr Master
😆 😆

blahblah

😆 😆 😆

Hey, look at me, I'm a winner too now.

Nowadays this is all it takes to stroke one's own ego without merit.

Not you Cresh (You're actually a serious and true debater)

are you serious, if my debating skills were ever in question I doubt you would have engaged me to begin with. stop being a whinny little loser because you have nothing but sarcasm as usual. What do you mean nowadays, I guess you sending images of shit and say gibberish to all who opposed you is what you'd rather be happening right? 😆 If you would have proved me wrong just once then I would have gladly conceded, but you didn't so now you try to ridicule me and say I'm not a good debater 🙁 sorry I meant 😆 Dude it's the Internet get a grip

Originally posted by LordKaos
are you serious, if my debating skills were ever in question I doubt you would have engaged me to begin with.

I did take you serious yesterday, and for the most part I always have,
I've seen you around.

I don't know what's gotten into you though since yesterday.

You're like on a vain mission to try and make me look clueless.

That's never gonna work on kmc. (I'm a vet, and I've earned my respect)

Originally posted by LordKaos
stop being a whinny little loser because you have nothing but sarcasm as usual.

My sarcasm began after you presented your intransigence as the voice of reason.

And mind you, that's not an insult, but since the Wanda issue,
I consider you an intransigent indivudual.
This is not to say you're an idiot or anything of the like. (I actually think your smart)
I think you just don't like the fact that your wrong.
Or, you have what I truly suspect (an agenda)
and hence you're trying to abate all the other Mutants that were placed above Phoenix.

Originally posted by LordKaos
What do you mean nowadays, I guess you sending images of shit and say gibberish to all who opposed you is what you'd rather be happening right?

See, this is gibberish.

You insult my opinion, which usually isn't one,
I'm not much a theorist, I like to just post On Panel and Bio facts to make my point,
and I'm not much of a debater either,
I'm more of an info center concerning Marvel Cosmics.

Originally posted by LordKaos
If you would have proved me wrong just once then I would have gladly conceded,

No you wouldn't,
cause all you've done is dance around conclusive and irrefutable evidence.

Originally posted by LordKaos
but you didn't

Actually I did, but it's not like you're going to acknowledge it.

Originally posted by LordKaos
so now you try to ridicule me and say I'm not a good debater

You insulted me, so I bit back.

Originally posted by LordKaos
Dude it's the Internet get a grip

Practice what you preach.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I did take you serious yesterday, and for the most part I always have,
I've seen you around.

I don't know what's gotten into you though since yesterday.

You're like on a vain mission to try and make me look clueless.

That's never gonna work on kmc. (I'm a vet, and I've earned my respect)

My sarcasm began after you presented your intransigence as the voice of reason.

And mind you, that's not an insult, but since the Wanda issue,
I consider you an intransigent indivudual.
This is not to say you're an idiot or anything of the like. (I actually think your smart)
I think you just don't like the fact that your wrong.
Or, you have what I truly suspect (an agenda)
and hence you're trying to abate all the other Mutants that were placed above Phoenix.

See, this is gibberish.

You insult my opinion, which usually isn't one,
I'm not much a theorist, I like to just post On Panel and Bio facts to make my point,
and I'm not much of a debater either,
I'm more of an info center concerning Marvel Cosmics.

No you wouldn't,
cause all you've done is dance around conclusive and irrefutable evidence.

Actually I did, but it's not like you're going to acknowledge it.

You insulted me, so I bit back.

Practice what you preach.

So lets see you don't take me seriously now because we have different views that neither of us has irrefutable proof of (regarding the Chaos Wave) you think she is continuously spewing out wave upon wave of energy I see butterfly effect, but you took it farther and tried to show me scans to prove your theory, but your scans did not prove that to me. Then you type and I quote "The question is who produced the wave" that was not the question, but the was the only way you could make your case by attempting to make me look ignorant to something I already knew and never questioned. I asked about this Havok business, wanted to know what qualifies him as one of the top 5, you show me him needing help to access the nexus and then shutting it down and returning home, you might have mentioned how the Timebroker sought him out because of the Nexus, even though he still has not used it since Mutant X and since it's not a part of his mutation and he cannot access it at will so I don't see why he would be ranked so high, it doesn't have to be his mutant power because he is still mutant, but there are too many factors involved with him gaining access and the little thing about him not being able handle it without going catatonic. Then you go one to say the Phoenix was stomped, f.y.i. I do like the Phoenix but even if I didn't it doesn't make your statement about her being stomped or hostless any less speculative, you have no I idea what the circumstances of their encounter were, the Goblin Force ate and added the Phoenix to itself, fine you hate Phoenix but even though it was devoured it was not destroyed it was assimilated. Why do you constantly say that you don't post your opinion when you make assumptions like that? This thread itself is a matter of everybodys opinion, not one of use is going to find a book that say OK these 5 without a doubt are the most powerful.
In closing go on head with that line about you being sarcastic after you were insulted, if memory serves me (or my mouse) you wrote:

And yes, I've seen all your proof ... uhh actually no I haven't.
Same ol' same ol'
all sarcastic and with little people scratching their head and twirling like crazy people, you accused me of having an agenda (it's not that serious) and you insinuated I was someone else, you admitted to trying to irk me and also insinuated that I was not a serious and true debater and that my posts had no merit, all because I don't agree with you and you couldn't counter, you tried to turn it into a pissing contest the minute you wrote "Cat's trying to make me look like I picked up a comic yesterday, that's a no, no." I got news for you I been reading comics for more than one day too. I told you to grow up and called you a whinny little loser after, your no victim your too arrogant to be victimized at least on here you are, who knows what your like when your not in front of the PC, anyway I've grown tired thank you for another exhilarating experience.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Roll your eyes all you want, it doesn't make MRI's dangerous.
It's actually been shown and established through various testing processes, that an individual whom has had numerous MRI's over a relatively short period of time, does have an elevated risk for Subarachnoid hemorrhage, which accounts for 5 to 10% of CVA (stroke) related incidents.

In fact,

The extreme side of these studies showed these individuals developing increased ICP (Intracranial pressure) over a given period of time.... This is a sign which is indicative of cerebral hemorrhage (a bleed into the substance of the cerebrum).

Just some gee-whiz info for anyone else in the medical field. 😉

Originally posted by Galan007
It's actually been shown and established through various testing processes, that an individual whom has had numerous MRI's over a relatively short period of time, does have an elevated risk for Subarachnoid hemorrhage, which accounts for 5 to 10% of CVA (stroke) related incidents.

In fact,

The extreme side of these studies showed these individuals developing increased ICP (Intracranial pressure) over a set period of time.... This is a sign which is indicative of cerebral hemorrhage.

Just some gee-whiz info for anyone else in the medical field. 😉

And what are the medical journals saying about people who get lanced through the head with energy beams? Good? Bad?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
And what are the medical journals saying about people who get lanced through the head with energy beams? Good? Bad?

😆

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
And what are the medical journals saying about people who get lanced through the head with energy beams? Good? Bad?
Meh,

Bringing up real-world happenings, begets real-world responses! ermmgrin

Fiddle sticks.

Originally posted by Galan007
Meh,

Bringing up real-world happenings, begets real-world responses! ermmgrin

😆

So anyways fellas, what does the Top 5 Muties look like?

I say,

1. HOM Wanda

2. Jamie Braddock

3. Jaspers

4. Havok/nexus

5. Phoenix & Psi-Lord (both have destroyed an Alternate Universe - top feat)

I don't think it matters that Havok can wack the Omniverse while merged,
because Merlyn was basically equally able and we know that Jaspers > Merlyn.