Orochimaru vs Hitsugaya

not even close. simply put, hitsugaya dies. uro has his huge chakra to deflect any freeze atatcks. besides, his body's resiliance will stiop it from being flash frozen. he also knows fire jutsu if people have forgotten and that is a huge disadvantage to hitsugaya. even if hitsugaya flies, uro's reach is on a huge geographical level. kusanagi can cut through any ice shields or constructs. plus uro's ability to heal from damage is insane, being cut in half and remaking himself etc. as far as speed goes, its a fact that naruto characters are more than a match for shyunpuo. uro's ultimate defense can also take on any attack histugaya dishes at him. there is also the fact that uro has quite commonly used space/time jutsus to teleport which is a large disadvantege to hitsugaya. same with the clone thing, uro can create many and hitsugaya cant tell the difference. plus there is the edo tensei. the first's mukotan is compareable with ease to hitsugaya's ice contructs and the second's genjutsu and water jutsu wud also trump hitsugaya. there is also uro's summons, manda. ofcourse, we have uro's own genjutsu bind etc. plus his poison.

neither uro nor his edo tensei were fighting at full power against the 4th hokage and in his own words, he was PLAYING with 4 tails. suigetsu was visibly annoyed by the fact that sasuke took so long and was so busted up after his titanic fight with diedara, saying simply that urochimaru is so much stronger. in short, uro wins, hitsugaya has no chance. the highest tier bleach characters might have a better chance against uro, but not really. currently the bleachverse hasnt been powered up anywhere near t what narutoverse has.

Orichimaru has an ultimate deense?

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
Orichimaru has an ultimate deense?

yes he does. his rashamon gate/s are his ultimate defence. how you managed to miss that, i dunno, but the twins curse sealed sound nin clearly stated it when they used it against kiba and akamaru's double fang destroyer jutsu. ofcourse like other characters in the series, he might show a stronger defence later.

Whern has Orochimaru ever shown to be able to deflect freezing attacks or resist being frozen solid? His special blade also hasn't been shown to cut through any thing harder than the Third Hokage.

Honesty, all Hitsugaya has to do is fly up and Orochimaru won't touch him. Even if he summons the other three Hokages, Hitsu could just simply freeze them all in one sitting.

lol. kusanagi was HURTING enma when he was in his diomand hard mystical staff form. it got through naruto's protective chakra field before he pulled it out of himself. kusanagi is one of the strgonest weapons in naruto. if hitsugaya flies up, uro cud use his extended neck/hands/snakes/manda/kusanagi/a simple fire jutsu/a water jutsu/teleportation/his snake form/ among other things. or just ride on mukotan or let mokotan destroy hitsugaya or let thhe second hokage shoot his water beams. hitsugaya has no chance in this fight.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
yes he does. his rashamon gate/s are his ultimate defence. how you managed to miss that, i dunno, but the twins curse sealed sound nin clearly stated it when they used it against kiba and akamaru's double fang destroyer jutsu. ofcourse like other characters in the series, he might show a stronger defence later.

IMO, Samehada is the strongest weapon in Naruto btw.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
lol. kusanagi was HURTING enma when he was in his diomand hard mystical staff form. it got through naruto's protective chakra field before he pulled it out of himself. kusanagi is one of the strgonest weapons in naruto.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
if hitsugaya flies up, uro cud use his extended neck/hands/snakes/manda/kusanagi/a simple fire jutsu/a water jutsu/teleportation/his snake form/ among other things. or just ride on mukotan or let mokotan destroy hitsugaya or let thhe second hokage shoot his water beams. hitsugaya has no chance in this fight.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Since Oro is effectively dead last time I checked, I don't think he will be improving. 😛 Also, if it is so ultimate, why was it broken thru?

IMO, Samehada is the strongest weapon in Naruto btw.

he isnt dead. hes taking over his host, kabuto. and uro isnt exactly "dead" in sasuke either, sasuke is just in control of his body. bet u anything we havent seen the last of uro. besides, he was killed when he was very weak.

samehada isnt the strongest weapon in naruto at all. what gives u that impression. it didnt even cut through two kunai's. its power lies in{from what is seen} sucking chakra. other things include returning back to its owner and only answering to him.

diomand staff of enma and kusanagi have far more to their credit and many more powers. not to mention they are based on some of the most powerful artifacts in japanese/buddhist mythology.

Originally posted by Accel
That never happened. The Third Hokage used Enma in his staff form to knock the blade out of Orochimaru’s hands.

Except all that requires for Hitsu to float just a few feet above the ground. He can easily go several stories into the air out of any one's reach and just prepare his ice prison move to take every one out.

lol, yes it did. enma himself said"even if im as strong as diomand, the blade of kusanagi will still hurt me" and right after it was knocked out f his hands, uro summoned it back and it imapled the 4th along with drawing blood from the hand of enma.

as far as hitsu floating, u obviously have not been reading the manga, kusanagi stretched for MILES. and uro's head is compareable in size. same with fire/water jutsu and mukotan. for heavens sake the second hokage GREW "KONOHAKAGURA" out of nuthing using his mukotan and u think it cant reach up a few stories???

as far as the rashamon gates being broken into, that is because it was the 4 TAILS!!!! and he summoned three at once and the last one stopped it. ultimate defence doesnt mean omniimpregnable u know.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
lol, yes it did. enma himself said"even if im as strong as diomand, the blade of kusanagi will still hurt me" and right after it was knocked out f his hands, uro summoned it back and it imapled the 4th along with drawing blood from the hand of enma.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
as far as hitsu floating, u obviously have not been reading the manga, kusanagi stretched for MILES. and uro's head is compareable in size.

And you have to keep in mind that if it does manage to get close enough, Hitsu can just freeze it.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
same with fire/water jutsu and mukotan. for heavens sake the second hokage GREW "KONOHAKAGURA" out of nuthing using his mukotan and u think it cant reach up a few stories???

Pretty much all of the soul reapers were taking on Arrancars far above the town where Ichigo lives. Not is Orochimaru not reaching that, Hitsu would basically have to stand there in the air and let his attacks make contact.

And yet, it didn’t hurt him as long as he was in that staff form. The only time it showed to hurt him was when he grabbed it… after he turned back to normal.

HURT =/= WOUND. he wasnt wounded but the statement was there so that we know he was hurt.

I’ve read it and Orochimaru hasn’t shown the ability to stretch nearly that far. Honestly, that’s such a bold statement I’m going to need you to refer to where you’ve seen him do that.

against 4 tails when kusanagi came out of his mouth and pushed naruto back the distance of miles and his neck was comparebly high.

And you have to keep in mind that if it does manage to get close enough, Hitsu can just freeze it.

hitsu isnt freezing a mystical object like the kusanagi. itll cut through his ice contructes like butter.

A few stories? Sure. As high as city buildings? Hell no.

the POINT being it grew an entire city out of nuthing. the city itself had extremely tall buildings but not skyscrappers because those werent REQUIRED. if mukotan can easily grow cities, then why do u think cant it grow singularly and as high as a flying bird? ridiculous.

Pretty much all of the soul reapers were taking on Arrancars far above the town where Ichigo lives. Not is Orochimaru not reaching that, Hitsu would basically have to stand there in the air and let his attacks make contact.

he is. easily. plus he has jutsu so he doesnt need to. plus he has teleportation. plus he has body blicker. he can also summon manda to get their or just have manda jump. or uncoil. you are also forgetting how high narutoers can jump. even sasuke easily apperaed behind diedara in high flight. and that was without his wing.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
HURT =/= WOUND. he wasnt wounded but the statement was there so that we know he was hurt.

His baseless statement doesn’t take precedent over that.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
against 4 tails when kusanagi came out of his mouth and pushed naruto back the distance of miles and his neck was comparebly high.

Even if he could, it wouldn’t matter, since Hitsugaya can simply freeze it when it gets near him.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
hitsu isnt freezing a mystical object like the kusanagi. itll cut through his ice contructes like butter.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
the POINT being it grew an entire city out of nuthing. the city itself had extremely tall buildings but not skyscrappers because those werent REQUIRED. if mukotan can easily grow cities, then why do u think cant it grow singularly and as high as a flying bird? ridiculous.

And this still doesn’t change the fact that all Hitsu has to do to avoid is to either a.)fly higher, b.) fly a further distance away, or c.) fly both higher and further. You honestly think he's going to be so clueless as to just let his opponent get closer while he just floats in one spot?

Originally posted by leonheartmm
he is. easily. plus he has jutsu so he doesnt need to. plus he has teleportation. plus he has body blicker. he can also summon manda to get their or just have manda jump. or uncoil.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
you are also forgetting how high narutoers can jump. even sasuke easily apperaed behind diedara in high flight. and that was without his wing.

So far, I’ve yet to see any thing that keeps Hitsugaya from simply flying out of Orochimaru’s reach and forming countless ice pillars to entrap the entire area with.

There was absolutely nothing to indicate he was feeling any pain at all until Orochimaru forced him to turn back, especially not when he was able to knock the blade out of the guy’s hands. He didn't even comment about feeling the pain while in that form or indicate he was feeling it during the battle.

here we go again. yes, thats because he was a staff and acting as a weapon and not a being.

His baseless statement doesn’t take precedent over that.

it does. do u even know the history behind an object like the kusanagi?

He stretched it far , yes, but no where near the distance of even one mile, much less more than one.

lol, the creater naruto created was itself larger than a mile by far. the tree line is tiny and the trees in actual size are gigantic in narutoverse and in that forest.

Even if he could, it wouldn’t matter, since Hitsugaya can simply freeze it when it gets near him.

no, he can not freeze an object with such high mystical power.

Kusunagi doesn’t have any special properties that would keep it form being frozen. And the sword isn’t cutting through the very ice it’s frozen into.

really? other than having mystical force enough to pierce mystical shielgs. stretching to shatter enything with huge force, ability to of telekenetic control whichpropels it at incredible speeds and forces so that even enma cudnt stop it?

Who said he did it easily? We have no idea how long it took him. Even his clone Yamato had never shown to do more than create one building at a time and had to greatly exert himself to create a waterfall.

no, he created it altogether. that is the way it is talked about. his clone is far weaker than him and that waterfall is larger by far than anything hitsugaya has ever created. it was a colossal landmass.

And this still doesn’t change the fact that all Hitsu has to do to avoid is to either a.)fly higher, b.) fly a further distance away, or c.) fly both higher and further. You honestly think he's going to be so clueless as to just let his opponent get closer while he just floats in one spot?

anti flying already been dealt with.

Teleportation for Orochimaru is limited to the ground, body flicker is limited to wherever ninjas can run and jump, Manda gets frozen if he gets near Hitsugaya.

no body flicker isnt limited to the ground. sasuke used it against diedara. and often body flicker is used to appear behind the opponent in mid air. plus with high enouiugh chakra, u can change direction mid air in naruto as naruto with kyuubi chakra, open gate rock lee and others have shown.

He grew another wing made completely out of snakes…which helped him fly. No one in Naruto is going to be able to reach Hitsugaya simply by jumping.

not true, even diedara said how he cudnt fly anymore. and it wasnt a wing, that is why sasuke was using it to grab tree trunks and "pull" himself away form the explosion as opposed to just flying away. a lot of people can reachhitsugaya by just jumping.

So far, I’ve yet to see any thing that keeps Hitsugaya from simply flying out of Orochimaru’s reach and forming countless ice pillars to entrap the entire area with.

uve been told. whether u listen or not is upto u?

Originally posted by leonheartmm
here we go again. yes, thats because he was a staff and acting as a weapon and not a being.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
it does. do u even know the history behind an object like the kusanagi?

Originally posted by leonheartmm
lol, the creater naruto created was itself larger than a mile by far. the tree line is tiny and the trees in actual size are gigantic in narutoverse and in that forest.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
no, he can not freeze an object with such high mystical power.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
really? other than having mystical force enough to pierce mystical shielgs. stretching to shatter enything with huge force, ability to of telekenetic control whichpropels it at incredible speeds and forces so that even enma cudnt stop it?

NONE of that means that it won’t simply be frozen once it gets near Hitsugaya.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
no, he created it altogether. that is the way it is talked about. his clone is far weaker than him and that waterfall is larger by far than anything hitsugaya has ever created. it was a colossal landmass.

And Hitsugaya doesn’t need to create any thing like that. He just needs to trap it with his ice prison and then freeze it.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
anti flying already been dealt with.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
no body flicker isnt limited to the ground. sasuke used it against diedara. and often body flicker is used to appear behind the opponent in mid air.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
plus with high enouiugh chakra, u can change direction mid air in naruto as naruto with kyuubi chakra, open gate rock lee and others have shown.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
not true, even diedara said how he cudnt fly anymore. and it wasnt a wing, that is why sasuke was using it to grab tree trunks and "pull" himself away form the explosion as opposed to just flying away. a lot of people can reachhitsugaya by just jumping.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
a lot of people can reachhitsugaya by just jumping.

Otherwise, no one's ever shown the cpacity to jump that high.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
uve been told. whether u listen or not is upto u?

There’s a limit to how high they can go and Hitsugaya just needs to keep remaining higher than them as well as a considerably lengthy distance to prepare his attack to take them all out in one fell swoop.

So what if they summon Mandra/buildings/a stepladder/Kusanagi?

All Hitsugaya has to do is keep his distance to preapre for his attack. It's not complicated.

Do try to take into account how the character fights, how they are gonig to react, don't assume they know perfectly how to counter/dodge the enemies attack

He could still clearly see, talk, and reach with his arm despite being staff. Prove he was hurt, because it’s obvious he wasn’t showing any signs what so ever of feeling any pain from the clashes, even after changing back.

no, he did so only in specific instances where the plot required. hsi statement still holds.

Has he ever said was hurt by the blade while in staff form in a past battle or something?

not significant. he said it and it holds true.

Awesome. Even if that’s the case, all Hitsu needs to do is either move out of the way and/or freeze it. Doesn’t matter which.

1. he can never freeze it.
2. he is not as fast as uro

Sure he can. I’ve yet to see any thing at all that says Kusanagi is resistant to being frozen, much less immune to it.

and i have yet to see if an egg doesnt cook in the core of the sun. cause obviously. other instances of resiliance being overcome {like on the stove maybe} has nuthing to do with the sun right. 🙄 . dont make silly arguments, hitsugaya's constructs can not flash freeze mystical objects mch stronger than him. otherwise whas to stop hitsugaya from killing aizein in a flash and flash freezing and destroying his zanpakuto??????????????

Yeah.

NONE of that means that it won’t simply be frozen once it gets near Hitsugaya.

the burden of proof is on YOU to prove that he can freeze an object like the kusanagi.

We’ve never seen it created all at once and I don’t recall anyone making any claims like that either.

if yamato can create that huge landmass than theres nuthing stoppiung from lettin the first create it in one go.

And Hitsugaya doesn’t need to create any thing like that. He just needs to trap it with his ice prison and then freeze it.

too slow. too weak. will be dead before he has a chance. ice constructs wil be destroyed by fire jutsu. uro will teleport, earth and water jutsu can both protect against and destroy such constructs.

No it hasn’t. Pretty much every strategy you’vementioned requires Hitsugaya to just float around and not do any thing while waiting for Orochimaru to attack.

no, uro is faster than him, and his attacks are too fast for hitsugaya to easily dodge. plus they are numerous.

Hence, why I said “jumping.” It’s not like a ninja can just use body flicker to appear at a distance they couldn’t simply leap to too begin with.

no, they CAN, and have. its only used in fights with the opponent being strong enough.

That’s never been the case at all.
I interpret Rock Lee’s movements as just jumping around the room really fast, especially since they made it clear he can’t use chakra in the first place.

YOUR interpretation. not supported by what he did when he practically turned into a burning beam. also, kyuubi chakra naruto changed direction midair to avoid neiji throwing shuriken. thats a fact.

It was clearly a second wing and he’s clearly using it to fly…
http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/9563/13ce0.png

Only if they have wings like Sasuke did...

Otherwise, no one's ever shown the cpacity to jump that high.

untrue. ive given reasons. he was using it to grapple trees which he wudnt do if it was a wing. diedara says it. plus i beleive at the time when he captured diedara into a genjutsu which diedara seemed to counter, he wasnt using the cursed seal. hence no wings.

All your ideas required Hitsugaya to just stand there while Orochimaru and the Hokages make their summons, reach up, and attack him when he could simply fly out of their reach.

their reach has no real limit. you avoid this. plus hitsugaya doesnt have to stand, he can do shuunpyo and stilll get his ass kicked by those techniques.

There’s a limit to how high they can go and Hitsugaya just needs to keep remaining higher than them as well as a considerably lengthy distance to prepare his attack to take them all out in one fell swoop.

there is no limit to how high they can go. hitsugaya is too slow. and he cant touch them. that is established.

So what if they summon Mandra/buildings/a stepladder/Kusanagi?

all three are capable of reaching hitsugaya's height.

All Hitsugaya has to do is keep his distance to preapre for his attack. It's not complicated.

repeating yourself. he isnt on upper tier naruto level. he will get cumberstomped.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
no, he did so only in specific instances where the plot required. hsi statement still holds.
not significant. he said it and it holds true.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
1. he can never freeze it.
2. he is not as fast as uro

Originally posted by leonheartmm
and i have yet to see if an egg doesnt cook in the core of the sun. cause obviously. other instances of resiliance being overcome {like on the stove maybe} has nuthing to do with the sun right. 🙄 . dont make silly arguments, hitsugaya's constructs can not flash freeze mystical objects mch stronger than him. otherwise whas to stop hitsugaya from killing aizein in a flash and flash freezing and destroying his zanpakuto??????????????

Originally posted by leonheartmm
dont make silly arguments,

Originally posted by leonheartmm
the burden of proof is on YOU to prove that he can freeze an object like the kusanagi.

Really, any claims that it can’t are nothing but wild conjecture being pulled out of your ass.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
if yamato can create that huge landmass than theres nuthing stoppiung from lettin the first create it in one go.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
too slow. too weak. will be dead before he has a chance. ice constructs wil be destroyed by fire jutsu. uro will teleport, earth and water jutsu can both protect against and destroy such constructs.

Think again champ.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
no, uro is faster than him, and his attacks are too fast for hitsugaya to easily dodge. plus they are numerous.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
no, they CAN, and have. its only used in fights with the opponent being strong enough.

Kakashi didn’t use it to catch Deidara when he and Naruto were chasing him. Sakura didn’t use to get close Sasori to get by all his puppets and iron sand. The Third Hokage didn’t do it to get closer to Orochimaru in their fight. And the list goes on.

If the ninja can’t move to a certain location by either running or jumping, then they aren’t body flickering there.

The only one who could do that was the 4th Hokage.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
YOUR interpretation. not supported by what he did when he practically turned into a burning beam.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
also, kyuubi chakra naruto changed direction midair to avoid neiji throwing shuriken. thats a fact.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
untrue. ive given reasons. he was using it to grapple trees which he wudnt do if it was a wing. diedara says it. plus i beleive at the time when he captured diedara into a genjutsu which diedara seemed to counter, he wasnt using the cursed seal. hence no wings.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
their reach has no real limit. you avoid this. plus hitsugaya doesnt have to stand, he can do shuunpyo and stilll get his ass kicked by those techniques.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
there is no limit to how high they can go. hitsugaya is too slow. and he cant touch them. that is established.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
all three are capable of reaching hitsugaya's height.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
repeating yourself. he isnt on upper tier naruto level. he will get cumberstomped.

Cripes, I see I’m wasting my time here, so I may as well just stop while I’m ahead.

Not if it doesn’t hurt him, it doesn’t. He can say how much he’s afraid of being hurt all he wants, but since he clearly was NOT hurt, the blade obviously didn’t do any thing to him.

you dont yell out everytime mild injury happens in narutoverse. even u shud know that. the statement was there to comment on the power of kusanagi

Based on what?

based on comparisons with other charactera who have superior speed feats to bleachverse. extensive discussion on itachi vs aizen thread and narutoverse vs bleachverse thread. go check it out n dont bother me with restating every detail.

And what makes Kusanagi so mystical and powerful and wonderful that it can’t be frozen?

u mean other than the feats ive shown and other than the fact that even the 4 tail's chakra cudnt hold it at bay???

Oh, the irony...

1. The fact that he’s shown the capacity to freeze things.
2. That Kusanagi has never shown any immunity to being frozen
3. Kusanagi has not shown to be so mystically powerful that it can’t be frozen.

1. great, so has haku, n yet neither wud be said to posess the ability to freeze and destroy aizen's zanpakuto wud they

2. the kusanagi has shown immunity to all elements and ability to overpower huge chakra's like the nine tail. chakra=abstract mystical power. freezing is just a representation of reitsu/chakra etc. kusanagi is superior to it

3. yes it has. every time.

Really, any claims that it can’t are nothing but wild conjecture being pulled out of your ass.

lmao, irony.

And Hitsugaya can just avoid it.

do u even read. my last post had nuthing to do with hitsugaya. u were just arguing that the firstr didnt make konoha all at once and i proved how he easily cud. please do not bring in obscure and derailing statements. they are generally called ridiculous debating tactics when u have no worthy points left to state.

What, you mean with his incredibly superiors, super-amazing speed that he’s never ever shown ever?

really? he didnt in his fight against sasuke. or while avoiding the 4 tails. or when he instantaneously appeared from a mile away with kabuto and sasori cloned yamato who didnt even feal him?

Think again champ.

you shud give that a try yourself. "thinking" i mean.

Again, based on what? Orochimaru hasn’t shown ANY incredible speed feats that put him above Hitsugaya.

already stated. and many people far weaker and slower than him have so its easy to compare.

No. They haven’t. Ever.

Kakashi didn’t use it to catch Deidara when he and Naruto were chasing him. Sakura didn’t use to get close Sasori to get by all his puppets and iron sand. The Third Hokage didn’t do it to get closer to Orochimaru in their fight. And the list goes on.

If the ninja can’t move to a certain location by either running or jumping, then they aren’t body flickering there.

The only one who could do that was the 4th Hokage.

lol. so because a certain technique wasnt used in every instance of fighting it cud be used in makes it nonexistant??? 😆 . please. come up with a better argument. if mangaka started doing that then tehre wudnt be any point to writing things like tactical fights and plot wud it????

the 4th hokage cud TELEPORT. it isnt the same as body flicker which is speed.

Actually, considering that Lee doesn’t have the chakra to use those abilities to begin with, my interpretation is supported just fine.

No, he didn’t.
http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/2374/naruto12505nh2.png
You can clearly see him jumping off the walls here.

Buddy, it’s there in the freakin scan. You can see him using another wing made entirely out of snakes to fly up there. And you can see

lol. lee CAN use chakra. but he cant use it to sact ninjutsu or genjutsu. what do u think was the thing surrounding him and creating the jet like sounds when he opened his gates? that was chakra and naruto and kakashi both commented on how it had changed.

lol, at the second one. so because he jumped off a wall at one time means he didnt change direction mid air when neiji threw shurikens at him in another instance? dont be ridiculous.

as for the last part. your being idiotic. there is no place where it can be CLEARLY SEEN or judged that his snakes and helping him fly. to top it off, the snaked were used on panel as a grapple to pull away from an explosion which dwudnt be necessary if he was flying. on top of that they are SNAKES and dont resemble at all a wing. nor does it state on panel that they ar being used to fly. stop goofing around with no evidence.

“Based on what?”

I repeat, “Based on what?”

Except he can go HIGHER.

1. based on the fact that no limit has been shown and there is evidence to suggest it works on the level of city scapes.

2. the height limit has already been explained. the speed thing can be inferred from feats and comparing lower tier bleach and naruto characters and comparing feats. again, go look at the bleach vs naruto or itachi vs aizen threads.

3. no amount of hight can put limits on how high the stated jutsus can go.

Well, of course if you really believe that Orochimaru’s so much faster than him, that he all ninjas can teleport and jump as high as they want, that Kusanagi can’t possibly be frozen, all without any reasoning or logic, and ignore evidence that goes against your arguments, then of course it’s going to be a curbstomp in your mind.

now did i say all????? no. quite a few can but most can not. as for kusanagi, the arhument for freezing is ludicrous. evidence and logic was given on every step, you just failed to listen.

Cripes, I see I’m wasting my time here, so I may as well just stop while I’m ahead.

😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

Ugh, I don’t even know why I’m bothering with this but…

Originally posted by leonheartmm
you dont yell out everytime mild injury happens in narutoverse. even u shud know that. the statement was there to comment on the power of kusanagi

Your entire argument that the blade hurt is based entirely on a statement made before a fight. My entire argument is based on the obvious results in the aftermath.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
based on comparisons with other charactera who have superior speed feats to bleachverse. extensive discussion on itachi vs aizen thread and narutoverse vs bleachverse thread. go check it out n dont bother me with restating every detail.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
u mean other than the feats ive shown and other than the fact that even the 4 tail's chakra cudnt hold it at bay???

Originally posted by leonheartmm
really? other than having mystical force enough to pierce mystical shielgs. stretching to shatter enything with huge force, ability to of telekenetic control whichpropels it at incredible speeds and forces so that even enma cudnt stop it?

Yeah, news flash: NONE of hat means it can’t be frozen. None of that is even related to whether or not it can be frozen. And the 4 tail’s pushed it away like it was nothing.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
1. great, so has haku, n yet neither wud be said to posess the ability to freeze and destroy aizen's zanpakuto wud they

2. the kusanagi has shown immunity to all elements and ability to overpower huge chakra's like the nine tail. chakra=abstract mystical power. freezing is just a representation of reitsu/chakra etc. kusanagi is superior to it

3. yes it has. every time.

2. No, it hasn’t. It couldn’t hurt the 4 tails at all. Seriously, show me even one instance of it resisting being frozen. Just one. I can’t wait to hear this one.

3. Again, show me even one instance of it resisting be frozen. I’ll help you out… you can’t, since it never happened.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
do u even read. my last post had nuthing to do with hitsugaya. u were just arguing that the firstr didnt make konoha all at once and i proved how he easily cud. please do not bring in obscure and derailing statements. they are generally called ridiculous debating tactics when u have no worthy points left to state.

I didn’t bother arguing against it because there was nothing worth arguing against in your statement.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
really? he didnt in his fight against sasuke. or while avoiding the 4 tails. or when he instantaneously appeared from a mile away with kabuto and sasori cloned yamato who didnt even feal him?

Originally posted by leonheartmm
lol. so because a certain technique wasnt used in every instance of fighting it cud be used in makes it nonexistant??? 😆 . please. come up with a better argument. if mangaka started doing that then tehre wudnt be any point to writing things like tactical fights and plot wud it????

It’s not hard to understand. Ninjas have only used body flicker in places where they could run or jump. No ninja has shown the ability to jump as high as a tall building in a single leap.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
lol. lee CAN use chakra. but he cant use it to sact ninjutsu or genjutsu. what do u think was the thing surrounding him and creating the jet like sounds when he opened his gates? that was chakra and naruto and kakashi both commented on how it had changed.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
lol, at the second one. so because he jumped off a wall at one time means he didnt change direction mid air when neiji threw shurikens at him in another instance? dont be ridiculous.

Notice how he doesn’t once move around without jumping off the walls. At all.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
as for the last part. your being idiotic. there is no place where it can be CLEARLY SEEN or judged that his snakes and helping him fly. to top it off, the snaked were used on panel as a grapple to pull away from an explosion which dwudnt be necessary if he was flying. on top of that they are SNAKES and dont resemble at all a wing. nor does it state on panel that they ar being used to fly. stop goofing around with no evidence.

He didn’t even have wing made of snakes until he went up to Deidara. He clearly used it to help him fly up there.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
1. based on the fact that no limit has been shown and there is evidence to suggest it works on the level of city scapes.

2. the height limit has already been explained. the speed thing can be inferred from feats and comparing lower tier bleach and naruto characters and comparing feats. again, go look at the bleach vs naruto or itachi vs aizen threads.

3. no amount of hight can put limits on how high the stated jutsus can go.

There is absolutely, positively nothing to indicate they could go as high as they want.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
now did i say all????? no. quite a few can but most can not. as for kusanagi, the arhument for freezing is ludicrous. evidence and logic was given on every step, you just failed to listen.