Orochimaru vs Hitsugaya

]Ugh, I don’t even know why I’m bothering with this but…

Doesn’t matter. There’s more evidence pointing to the fact that he wasn’t injured (no cries of pain, no visible injuries) than there is that he was.

HURT=/= INJURY. your hurt by falling, not injured for the greater part. he said it and it was to comment on the power of the kusanagi. that is a fact you can not null.

Your entire argument that the blade hurt is based entirely on a statement made before a fight. My entire argument is based on the obvious results in the aftermath.

an on panel statement holds more significance than your congested denial of the statement.

You don’t have to gve me every detail. Just give me the low down on these so called “superiors speed feats” that put them so far above Naruto characters.

im not going into this again. the discussion spanned a fair few filled pages of trying to find instances of objectively verifyable speed estimates and estimating from there. go look up the threads i told u. im not holding anything back. even the MAJOR ONES have enough discussion to fill multiple posts.

You mean these…?

Yeah, news flash: NONE of hat means it can’t be frozen. None of that is even related to whether or not it can be frozen. And the 4 tail’s pushed it away like it was nothing.

yes they do. its mystically powered and can shatter through ice constructs by extending, and telekenetically moving and cutting through them as it can cut through chakra and nearly anything else. the 4 tails was first impaled by it and it puched him back the distance of mile/s, then he forced it out and held it at bay which uro thought was highly impressive. a mystical metal object can not be FLASH FROZEN. and even if it is SURROUNDED by an ice construct, ive given you reazons how it can easily break through.

1. No, Haku hasn’t. He worked with ice techniques, but nothing that involved freezing. To your second point, Hitsu never got the chance to try to freeze Aizen. He was taken out before he could.

2. No, it hasn’t. It couldn’t hurt the 4 tails at all. Seriously, show me even one instance of it resisting being frozen. Just one. I can’t wait to hear this one.

3. Again, show me even one instance of it resisting be frozen. I’ll help you out… you can’t, since it never happened.

1. lmao, are you really implying hitsugaya COULD freeze aizen or his zanpakuto without them easily breaking through and resisting being flash frozen and contering with their reitsu??? cause if u do, u have another thing coming. level of spiritual reitsu/chakra matter greatly in these things.
2. show me one instance of aizen resisting being froezen or his zanpakuto doing so. does that mean they can not based on other showings concerning durability and spiritual power???? really the burden of evidence falls on YOU to substantiate the freezing claim.

3. lol, repeating arguments.

You didn’t “prove” he could do it all really fast, you assumed. We never saw him do it. No reader did. Once again, your points were groundless and hardly evidence of any thing.

yes just like i assume that goku can beat hitsugaya or that aizen sousake can beat pikashu. wud you say these assumptions are false based on lack of emperic evidence where goku fought hitsugaya or aizen fought pikachu?

I didn’t bother arguing against it because there was nothing worth arguing against in your statement.

lol ur playing childish word games. first you asked for evidence to back up a claim. then when it was given you contered by saying sumthing which had nuthing to do with the discussion at hand in an attempt to appear that u made a previous point which wasnt adequately dealt with. idiotic debating tactic number x.

Sure, he used some speed. Nothing to indicate he’s too fast for Hitsu though.

first u say there are no such instances. then you say such instances exist but prove nothing? one wud say you are merely being stubborn where evidence to the contrary has been provided.

No, the fact that it’s never been shown before does. Apparently, you couldn’t even come up with any moments to counter that argument.

It’s not hard to understand. Ninjas have only used body flicker in places where they could run or jump. No ninja has shown the ability to jump as high as a tall building in a single leap.

never been shown? hmmm, i can think of many instances like when the sound 4 carried urochimaru away in the air jumping far into the sky. mostly though, it isnt because ground offers better terrain advantages. and shinobi jump on top of buildings in single bounds all the time.

as far as body flicker goes, ninja's have appeared mid air behind their enemies all the time.

Lee can’t use the same chara every one else uses. He can only apply it all to his taijutsu. The fact that no ninja in the entire series has ever used chakra to move themselves in mid-air, pretty much proves my point that Lee was leaping around off the walls.

chakra is the same for eveyone. he doesnt apply chakra to his taijutsu until he opens the gates. he does use it to stand on vertical surfaces etc. also if u notice, he was destroying everything he stepped on, while the walls werent destroyed. also, the angels he was making wud have him jumping off of walls in the spectator stands but no1 sensed it and his flicker movements were confined to inside the stadium. and another basic proof is how he after taking off the weights, does multiple mid air kicks to gaara's sand protection and before completely spinning, changes direction mid air, stop and moves to another location to kick. that was what shocked gaara. he was changing directions mid air.

Here’s the entire fight for your enjoyment then…
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http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/4387/naruto12505kx3.png
http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/422/naruto12506qi2.png
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Notice how he doesn’t once move around without jumping off the walls. At all.

LMAO!!! 😆 😆 😆 . look very carefully at the third scan u urself posted. naruto has leapt off the wall and neiji throws the shuriken, and they all miss as naruto changes direction MID AIR{ he is neither near the wall nor the ground} . and neiji states how his speed has inscread. thanx for proving my point.

Yeah, it can.

He didn’t even have wing made of snakes until he went up to Deidara. He clearly used it to help him fly up there.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
as for the last part. your being idiotic. there is no place where it can be CLEARLY SEEN or judged that his snakes and helping him fly. to top it off, the snaked were used on panel as a grapple to pull away from an explosion which dwudnt be necessary if he was flying. on top of that they are SNAKES and dont resemble at all a wing. nor does it state on panel that they ar being used to fly. stop goofing around with no evidence.

All of this is assuming that there is no limit to how high these summonings can go, which is nothing but pointless speculation.

There is absolutely, positively nothing to indicate they could go as high as they want.

The counter-argument that Kusanagi can’t be frozen is groundless and based on nothing other than “It’s such a cool and poweful sword, of course it can’t be frozen!”

the burden of evidence is on YOU to show that they can not. they have been shown to go as high as necessary, with gamabunta even jumping higher than miles in a single normal leap. there is everything to indicate that they can go as high as they want.

ythe kusanagi cant be frozen argument is as solid as they come. its structure can not be flash frozen because of mystical power and it can not be confined by ice because it can eaily break through based on the reasons given previously.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
HURT=/= INJURY. your hurt by falling, not injured for the greater part. he said it and it was to comment on the power of the kusanagi. that is a fact you can not null.

an on panel statement holds more significance than your congested denial of the statement.

Otherwise, you have nothing to back up that he was actually hurt by the blade.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
im not going into this again. the discussion spanned a fair few filled pages of trying to find instances of objectively verifyable speed estimates and estimating from there. go look up the threads i told u. im not holding anything back. even the MAJOR ONES have enough discussion to fill multiple posts.

1. There’s Kaskashi running fast to take out 18 shadow clones
2. There’ Rock Lee’s and Sasuke’s fights against Gaara
3. There’s Naruto speedblitzinf Sasuke

None of these put them above Bleach characters, but feel free to continue the list.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
yes they do. its mystically powered and can shatter through ice constructs by extending, and telekenetically moving and cutting through them as it can cut through chakra and nearly anything else. the 4 tails was first impaled by it and it puched him back the distance of mile/s, then he forced it out and held it at bay which uro thought was highly impressive. a mystical metal object can not be FLASH FROZEN. and even if it is SURROUNDED by an ice construct, ive given you reazons how it can easily break through.

...as noted by Orochimaru himself.

For God’s sake, use SOME kind of evidence that it’s too powerful to be frozen.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
show me one instance of aizen resisting being froezen or his zanpakuto doing so. does that mean they can not based on other showings concerning durability and spiritual power???? really the burden of evidence falls on YOU to substantiate the freezing claim.

Sure, there’s a big difference between Hitsu and Aizen’s power levels (though we don’t even know Aizen’s true potential yet). However, comparing Aizen to Orchimaru is like comparing apples and oranges.

Show Kusanagi emitting any form of energy that would make it immune to freezing. I’ve asked for this, like, four or five times.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
yes just like i assume that goku can beat hitsugaya or that aizen sousake can beat pikashu. wud you say these assumptions are false based on lack of emperic evidence where goku fought hitsugaya or aizen fought pikachu?

Originally posted by leonheartmm
lol ur playing childish word games. first you asked for evidence to back up a claim. then when it was given you contered by saying sumthing which had nuthing to do with the discussion at hand in an attempt to appear that u made a previous point which wasnt adequately dealt with. idiotic debating tactic number x.

You’ve been making groundless claims based on nothing this whole time and the claim that the Hokage could create an entire town in one sitting is no exception.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
first u say there are no such instances. then you say such instances exist but prove nothing? one wud say you are merely being stubborn where evidence to the contrary has been provided.

Orochimaru running away from the four-tails doesn’t indicate any superior speed whatsoever.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
never been shown? hmmm, i can think of many instances like when the sound 4 carried urochimaru away in the air jumping far into the sky. mostly though, it isnt because ground offers better terrain advantages.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
and shinobi jump on top of buildings in single bounds all the time.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
as far as body flicker goes, ninja's have appeared mid air behind their enemies all the time.

…JUMPING!

Originally posted by leonheartmm
chakra is the same for eveyone. he doesnt apply chakra to his taijutsu until he opens the gates. he does use it to stand on vertical surfaces etc. also if u notice, he was destroying everything he stepped on, while the walls werent destroyed. also, the angels he was making wud have him jumping off of walls in the spectator stands but no1 sensed it and his flicker movements were confined to inside the stadium. and another basic proof is how he after taking off the weights, does multiple mid air kicks to gaara's sand protection and before completely spinning, changes direction mid air, stop and moves to another location to kick. that was what shocked gaara. he was changing directions mid air.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
and another basic proof is how he after taking off the weights, does multiple mid air kicks to gaara's sand protection and before completely spinning, changes direction mid air, stop and moves to another location to kick. that was what shocked gaara. he was changing directions mid air.

They must use chakra to move themselves too, huh.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
LMAO!!! 😆 😆 😆 . look very carefully at the third scan u urself posted. naruto has leapt off the wall and neiji throws the shuriken, and they all miss as naruto changes direction MID AIR{ he is neither near the wall nor the ground} . and neiji states how his speed has inscread. thanx for proving my point.

You can clearly see him standing on the wall one moment and then jumping off the next. Cripes, man. I’m pretty sure this is the exact same scan I showed you earlier and you admitted yourself it didn’t happen there.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
the burden of evidence is on YOU to show that they can not.

Spider-Man can shoot heat beams out of his eyes. He just hasn’t tried. 🙂

Originally posted by leonheartmm
have been shown to go as high as necessary, with gamabunta even jumping higher than miles in a single normal leap. there is everything to indicate that they can go as high as they want.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
ythe kusanagi cant be frozen argument is as solid as they come. its structure can not be flash frozen because of mystical power and it can not be confined by ice because it can eaily break through based on the reasons given previously.

Just so I don’t end up going back and forth with this, I’d like to ask other people’s opinions on the matter.

Does Naruto look like he’s changing direction in mid-air here or is he just jumping of the walls?
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http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/9210/naruto12504sh6.png
http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/4387/naruto12505kx3.png
http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/422/naruto12506qi2.png
http://img473.imageshack.us/img473/6598/naruto12507on3.png

And does it look like Sasuke jumped up to where Deidara is here or did he use his wings to fly up there?
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]I don’t deny the statement, but the fact that it was made before the fight gives it little credibility. If he had said it after the fight, it would have meant something. A guy could easily underestimate his own durability or overestimate his opponent’s power.

Otherwise, you have nothing to back up that he was actually hurt by the blade.

what was the purpose of the statement then?

I’m not asking you to write an essay. I’ve read both series, so just give me a rundown on the feats that make them so superior to Bleach characters. Here, I’ll help you out,

1. There’s Kaskashi running fast to take out 18 shadow clones
2. There’ Rock Lee’s and Sasuke’s fights against Gaara
3. There’s Naruto speedblitzinf Sasuke

None of these put them above Bleach characters, but feel free to continue the list.

sigh, u wanna play the basic high end feat game then. inzabuza arc, sasuke percieved and avoided haku moving at lightspeed. zabuza moves the strength of half a footbal field and end ups between the konoha nin before they can blink or even shaaringan can percieve it.

I don’t see where you’re getting any of this. I don’t recall a single instance of it being said to be mystically powerful. There hasn’t been a single instance showing it could resist being frozen. It hasn’t shown the ability to cut chakra, as it couldn’t even penetrate Naruto’s chakra skeleton here…
http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/8523/v33ch296ukpage03ec7.png

...as noted by Orochimaru himself.

For God’s sake, use SOME kind of evidence that it’s too powerful to be frozen.

freezing has been dealt with. it has mystical power because it cud hurt diomand hard mystical staff of enma as stated. it is mystical because it can extend unnaturally and be controlled telekenetically. it is mystical because urochimaru is SURPRISED that kyuubi tailed naruto chakra cud defend against it.

So in other words, you have nothing.

Sure, there’s a big difference between Hitsu and Aizen’s power levels (though we don’t even know Aizen’s true potential yet). However, comparing Aizen to Orchimaru is like comparing apples and oranges.

Show Kusanagi emitting any form of energy that would make it immune to freezing. I’ve asked for this, like, four or five times.

it isnt, they both have chakra/reitsu. both can impose pressure with it and use it for techniques. kusanagi doesnt have to emit energy. all it has to do is have enough contained power to keep form being flash frozen.. and it can easily cut through ice confinement later by the methods told. it doesnt have to EMIT energy to cut, it IS a mystically powerful artifact. ur thinking of energy as being discrete from the object itself.

The evidence is that both Goku and Aizen have shown far greater power output than either Pikachu or Hitsu gaya have. The same cannot be said about how quickly the Hokage built the buildings in the city, sicne we never saw it happen.

and yet parallels exist. people weaker than uro have shown to be doing far more damage than aizen.

Bullshit.

You’ve been making groundless claims based on nothing this whole time and the claim that the Hokage could create an entire town in one sitting is no exception.

way to dodge the question. the thing i was referring to was how u replied with "doesnt matter, hitsu can just avoid it" when it was never implied that creating the contstruct was being debated to be unavoidable by hitsu. the proposition was that it CUD RISE AS HIGH, and you were supposed to be disproving THAT. its a devious debating tactic.

I never denied they were fast. You, however, make it seem that they are so fast that Hitsugaya will be speedblitzed, which is yet another groundless statement based on lack of legitimate speed feats.

Orochimaru running away from the four-tails doesn’t indicate any superior speed whatsoever.

you implied it very clearly by showing sarcasm and demanding scans which showed that uro had ever shown to be that fast.

as for the second one. lmao. when the words FAST appear on the manga in the subtext. it means FAST even by naruto standards. the blurring lines and after images are evidence. uro was avoiding it.

Except the Sound Four haven’t shown that ability either…
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All they did was jump and that spider guy just happened to leap in between the Sound Four and the ANBU guys.

They jump a couple of stories, land on another ledge or rooftop or whatever, and then jump up again. They have never just leapt any where near 10 stories in one leap.

i wasnt talking about the spider guy. i was talking about the height the other sound reached which u said was unreacheable.

ahan, they have, naruto clones jumping from the lake in the hundreds were reaching heights higher than the surrounding mountains.

Which is… *drum rolls*

…JUMPING!

no it is body flicker mid air. u said it wasnt possible. i showed it was.

Which doesn’t necessarily mean he wasn’t jumping off every thing. His actions couldn’t be seen.

re read what i wrote.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
chakra is the same for eveyone. he doesnt apply chakra to his taijutsu until he opens the gates. he does use it to stand on vertical surfaces etc. also if u notice, he was destroying everything he stepped on, while the walls werent destroyed. also, the angels he was making wud have him jumping off of walls in the spectator stands but no1 sensed it and his flicker movements were confined to inside the stadium. and another basic proof is how he after taking off the weights, does multiple mid air kicks to gaara's sand protection and before completely spinning, changes direction mid air, stop and moves to another location to kick. that was what shocked gaara. he was changing directions mid air.

Which is just the character ignoring the laws of physics. As far as moving in mid-air is concerned, I’ve seen Monkey D. Luffy do the same. I’ve seen Spider-Man do the same.

They must use chakra to move themselves too, huh.

true, the same as chakra and ninjutsu isnt part of the laws of physics. spiderman can because of plot device. luffy can because of manga physics. got a problem with it, take it up with the mangaka.

Clearly, you can’t read very carefully (which explains SO much) so I’ll just help you out here…

You can clearly see him standing on the wall one moment and then jumping off the next. Cripes, man. I’m pretty sure this is the exact same scan I showed you earlier and you admitted yourself it didn’t happen there.

lol. look again. he jumped BEFORE, neiji threw the shuriken. to attack neiji. neiji then threw the shuuriken. then naruto in midair moved away. you can also see a flicker of lines and shadow moving LATERALLY left away from the shurikens in the picture . that debunks ur claim of naruto having jumped to get AWAY from the shuriken.

Prove a negative. 😐

Spider-Man can shoot heat beams out of his eyes. He just hasn’t tried. 🙂

lmao, same as you saying "hitsugaya can flash freeze anything including aizen/zanpakuto/kusanagi, he just hasnt TRIED. and it isnt a negetive, there ie enough evidence to suggest that kusanagi has the resiliance to sto from being flash frozen and techniques to cut through ice constructs.

Yeah, because comparing a giant ass frog to a ninja is so intelligent.

please, ur trying to derail the argument. i was referring to summons and manda and how uro cud use it to reach hitsugaya. gamabunta is also a summon.

So, once again, nothing but groundless arguments. Seems to be a pattern.

LOL, look up and SMILE! 😄

Originally posted by leonheartmm
what was the purpose of the statement then?

Originally posted by leonheartmm
inzabuza arc, sasuke percieved and avoided haku moving at lightspeed.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
freezing has been dealt with. it has mystical power because it cud hurt diomand hard mystical staff of enma as stated. it is mystical because it can extend unnaturally and be controlled telekenetically. it is mystical because urochimaru is SURPRISED that kyuubi tailed naruto chakra cud defend against it.

it isnt, they both have chakra/reitsu. both can impose pressure with it and use it for techniques. kusanagi doesnt have to emit energy. all it has to do is have enough contained power to keep form being flash frozen.. and it can easily cut through ice confinement later by the methods told. it doesnt have to EMIT energy to cut, it IS a mystically powerful artifact. ur thinking of energy as being discrete from the object itself.

Good lord…

Originally posted by leonheartmm
way to dodge the question. the thing i was referring to was how u replied with "doesnt matter, hitsu can just avoid it" when it was never implied that creating the contstruct was being debated to be unavoidable by hitsu. the proposition was that it CUD RISE AS HIGH, and you were supposed to be disproving THAT. its a devious debating tactic.

It’s not something I have to disprove, because it never happened. No one’s ever jumped as high as they wanted. Bringing it up without using any evidence, logic, or reasoning is other than your own speculation is, in itself, a pointless claim.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
you implied it very clearly by showing sarcasm and demanding scans which showed that uro had ever shown to be that fast.

as for the second one. lmao. when the words FAST appear on the manga in the subtext. it means FAST even by naruto standards. the blurring lines and after images are evidence. uro was avoiding it.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
ahan, they have, naruto clones jumping from the lake in the hundreds were reaching heights higher than the surrounding mountains.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
no it is body flicker mid air. u said it wasnt possible. i showed it was.

Your whole argument was that Orochimaru could body flicker into the sky to where ever Hitsugaya is flying.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
re read what i wrote.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
true, the same as chakra and ninjutsu isnt part of the laws of physics. spiderman can because of plot device. luffy can because of manga physics. got a problem with it, take it up with the mangaka.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
lol. look again. he jumped BEFORE, neiji threw the shuriken. to attack neiji. neiji then threw the shuuriken. then naruto in midair moved away. you can also see a flicker of lines and shadow moving LATERALLY left away from the shurikens in the picture . that debunks ur claim of naruto having jumped to get AWAY from the shuriken.

Sure, what ever helps you sleep at night buddy. 🙂

Originally posted by leonheartmm
lmao, same as you saying "hitsugaya can flash freeze anything including aizen/zanpakuto/kusanagi, he just hasnt TRIED. and it isnt a negetive, there ie enough evidence to suggest that kusanagi has the resiliance to sto from being flash frozen and techniques to cut through ice constructs.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
please, ur trying to derail the argument. i was referring to summons and manda and how uro cud use it to reach hitsugaya. gamabunta is also a summon.

Don't even bother, Accel. Leon makes bullshit up to make Naruto look better than it really is. Most of the crap he says (like 99.9 percent) is just his own fabricated nonsense.

Hitsugaya freezes and slices Oro into pieces.

Game over. Whitey FTW.

Originally posted by Accel
Then there's the fact that as long as there's water vapor in the air, Hitsugaya has an unlimited amount of attacks.

Obviously he was either underestimating his own durability and/or overestimating the blade’s strength.

u have any idea how lame your reasoning sounds? an elder summon bein that stupid?

crylaugh

down to smiley's when you cant support ur argument? haku was moving at the speed of reflection. poor you, you mustv missed every naruto high end feat.

That’s it? That’s your evidence and reasoning that Kusanagi is so mystically powerful that it can’t be frozen? Because it can stretch and fail to cut chakra?

yes it cant be frozen. and the fact that it first pierced through the chakra and then was held back by it making even urochimaru take not is evidence enough. btw, you seem to be ridiculing a lot and not producing any counter argument.

Good lord…

If they haven’t shown to be able to go as high as they want, then it’s pointless to claim they have. You’re making it sound like they can make their summonings go as high as the clouds.

It’s not something I have to disprove, because it never happened. No one’s ever jumped as high as they wanted. Bringing it up without using any evidence, logic, or reasoning is other than your own speculation is, in itself, a pointless claim.

NEITHER HAS HITSUGAYA!!!! if INFINITE is the height that will make u beleive either can go as HIGH AS THEY WANT. then im sorry, ur never gonna see it. not in bleach or naruto. both have shown to be able to go as high as necessary.

Good for him. It still doesn’t put him at speedblitzing speeds because there’s no quantifiable way to indicate how fast either he or the four-tails were moving.

RIGHT. and there is any quantifyable way to measure hitsugaya's speed feat???? lol, that is what happens when u dont read the background in the threads i mentioned. over there there WERE objective speed estimates made of both series. guess who came out on top????? 😄

crylaugh

hiding inaptitude to reply to an on panel feat. tut tut tut.

I said they couldn’t use body flicker any where they couldn’t simply run to or jump at. Jumping up behind someone really fast is the same thing.

Your whole argument was that Orochimaru could body flicker into the sky to where ever Hitsugaya is flying.

sasuke did. naruto did against neiji. and again, they CAN do it. that is the main point. and you are lying, my argument consisted of kusanagi/long range juts fire and water jutsu/teleportation/body flicker/body extension/reching heights by using summons.

I read it. It doesn’t change any thing.

that is because just like the first time, u didnt read it.

So it all pretty much debunks any claims that ninjas can use chakra to change direction in mid-air. They’ve never once said they could do that, they’ve never once did that, and the fact that even Naruto had to use a clone to move in mid-air proves that they can’t do it…
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bull. normal naruto can not, and normal naruto doesnt know body flicker.

Even though it clearly shows him sitting on the wall for the first and second panels? And even though you can even see his shadow right there on the wall? And even though he evidently hasn’t shown any signs of movement until he dodges the shuriken?

lmao. are you blind. look at the third scan{god im repeating myself cause ur being stubborn} he jumps to attack neiji. neji throws 4 shuriken straight at him. shuriken miss AFTER he is airborn and pouncing on neiji and we see a shadow and flicker lines moveing LATERALLY "left" of the shuriken paths. what more evidence do u need of mid air direction change. and you failed to comment on lee's midair stopping and multiple kicking. plus there is evidence of it in shippuden as guy opens his gates and literally flies like a rocket and blitzes kisame clone.

Sure, what ever helps you sleep at night buddy. 🙂

no counter? 🙄

Never said he could freeze Aizen, just that we haven’t seen whether or not he could. And the fact that Kusanagi has not shown any resistance to being frozen is apparent or even any special properties that would help it resist being frozen or even be hinted at the idea that it couldn’t be frozen is enough.

has aizen shown any resistance to being frozen???? lol. admit it your bleach biased, thats why u thinkk two characters, NEITHER of whom have specifically shown durability against being frozen are not the same and say that one would be because he hasntr shown ability to NOT BE. while the other wudn be{"never said he cud freeze aizen"} simply because hes never shown the ability TO be frozen. logical fallacy.

and ive commented on the kusanagi thing. being a mystical artifact and it has enoguh to strngth to stop from being STRUCTURALLY damaged by flash freezing{e.g. freezing and shattering}. it CAN be "surrounded" by ice constructs but ive already shown how it can cut and break those easily.

But he isn’t Orochimaru’s summon. He uses a giant snake who can’t jump that high.

based on what? the snake is taller by far than gamabunta. he is also higly agile. and can extend to great heights as it is.

Originally posted by Haruhi
Don't even bother, Accel. Leon makes bullshit up to make Naruto look better than it really is. Most of the crap he says (like 99.9 percent) is just his own fabricated nonsense.

Hitsugaya freezes and slices Oro into pieces.

Game over. Whitey FTW.

bitterness getting to you? 🙄

Originally posted by leonheartmm
bitterness getting to you? 🙄

Not really. Why would I feel bitter about somebody who has to pull shit out of his ass to support something that's blatantly untrue because of his fanboyism? If anything, I get a good laugh at your futile attempt to make Naruto look better than it really is. Not because it's funny, but because watching people phail is always entertaining.

You have absolutely nothing but completely unsupported statements backed by groundless arguments.

Whitey freezes and obliterates Oro because Oro simply has too little going for him. End of story.

Originally posted by Haruhi
Not really. Why would I feel bitter about somebody who has to pull shit out of his ass to support something that's blatantly untrue because of his fanboyism? If anything, I get a good laugh at your futile attempt to make Naruto look better than it really is. Not because it's funny, but because watching people phail is always entertaining.

You have absolutely nothing but completely unsupported statements backed by groundless arguments.

Whitey freezes and obliterates Oro because Oro simply has too little going for him. End of story.

for some one who doesnt care about me, you sure are saying a lot of things concerning me. sum wud say even fuming......u sure it isnt bitterness? 🙄

Originally posted by leonheartmm
for some one who doesnt care about me, you sure are saying a lot of things concerning me. sum wud say even fuming......u sure it isnt bitterness? 🙄

Stating the truth isn't being bitter, sugar. It's merely correcting a wrong.

But, hey... If you can lie to yourself about Naruto, then I guess you can lie to yourself about my being angry. Even though both cases, you're wrong. =)

Have a nice day, hun.

Whitey wins/.

Originally posted by Haruhi
Stating the truth isn't being bitter, sugar. It's merely correcting a wrong.

But, hey... If you can lie to yourself about Naruto, then I guess you can lie to yourself about my being angry. Even though both cases, you're wrong. =)

Have a nice day, hun.

Whitey wins/.

and yet, not even being a part of the discussion, you decide to post replies which use words like "HUN" which is obviously a term of sarcastic endearment. wudnt that suggest that your still bitter? 🙂

Originally posted by Haruhi
Don't even bother, Accel. Leon makes bullshit up to make Naruto look better than it really is. Most of the crap he says (like 99.9 percent) is just his own fabricated nonsense.

Hitsugaya freezes and slices Oro into pieces.

Game over. Whitey FTW.

“Naruto characters can use chakra to change direction in mid-air!”
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/4025/narutoch246p06oi7.png
http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/5052/narutoch246p07bi7.png

“Enma in staff form was hurt by Kusanagi!”
http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/9189/naruto12316wa3.jpg
http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/8656/naruto12317uz1.jpg

“Sasuke didn’t create another wing made of snakes to fly up to Deidara!”
http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/9563/13ce0.png

“Naruto jumped off the wall before Neji threw his shuriken!”
http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/2517/naruto12505kx3vi6.png

“The Kusanagi blade pierced Four-Tails Naruto!”
http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/6868/v33ch296ukpage03ug0.png

“Haku moved at the speed of reflection, therefore he moved at the speed of light!”
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/9002/naruto2512hm0.jpg

“Naruto’s clones jumped as high as the mountains!”
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/7959/naruto514gg4.jpg

For someone who’s such a big Naruto fan, you’d think he’d get something right.

And apparently applying logic and evidence is being “Bleach biased.” I don’t even really like Bleach all that much. 😂

Originally posted by leonheartmm
and yet, not even being a part of the discussion, you decide to post replies which use words like "HUN" which is obviously a term of sarcastic endearment. wudnt that suggest that your still bitter? 🙂

Sarcasm is a form of humour and wit. Nowhere is it stated that it has to be used when bitter. In fact, I don't think I've ever used sarcasm to express bitterness. I guess this is just one of those things you made up, like, you know, your entire Naruto argument, to try to appear like you know what you're talking about -- even though it's blatantly obvious you don't.

What's to be bitter about? The entire BOARD agrees that Bleach is faster, more powerful and has better feats than Naruto. Do you really think your out-of-your-ass lies will really change what's actually displayed?

Tsk, tsk.

Whitey wins.

Originally posted by Accel [/i]
I honestly find his arguments very amusing:

“Naruto characters can use chakra to change direction in mid-air!”
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/4025/narutoch246p06oi7.png
http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/5052/narutoch246p07bi7.png

u finding it funny or not has nuthing to do with the actual argument. i clearly explained what happened in the scans u urself provided. to double check i even watched the anime and that exact same part of the fight, gues what, naruto ANIMATEDLY canged direction in midair. so u have manga scan and anime, whats left to refute?

“Enma in staff form was hurt by Kusanagi!”
http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/9189/naruto12316wa3.jpg
http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/8656/naruto12317uz1.jpg

hurt =/= screaming out. havent we been over this, he made the statement to comment on kusanagi's power, what is so hard to understand.

“Sasuke didn’t create another wing made of snakes to fly up to Deidara!”
http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/9563/13ce0.png

lmao, ur better off using another argument. snake =/= wing. plus he CLEARLY used it as a grapple when he extended and wrapped the snakes around a tree to pull himself away from the explosion of mines if diedara. WHY IN HEAVENS wud he need to do that if the snakes worked like a wing, when infact he cud just fly away!

“Naruto jumped off the wall [b]before Neji threw his shuriken!”
http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/2517/naruto12505kx3vi6.png

lol, already dealt with. pointed out in the manga. and double checkd the exact same scan in the anime. its MID AIR.

“The Kusanagi blade pierced Four-Tails Naruto!”
http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/6868/v33ch296ukpage03ug0.png

please look closely at the scan BEFORE naruto holds the blade in his arm, the point where the blade pierces his chest to a degree and PROPELS him away and into the ground.

“Haku moved at the speed of reflection, therefore he moved at the speed of light!”
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/9002/naruto2512hm0.jpg

didnt say it wasnt PIS. but it happened if in the face all out evidence is required.

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“Naruto’s clones jumped as high as the mountains!”
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/7959/naruto514gg4.jpg
[/QUOTE] lol, how many scans were there in which the heaight of the multile missile like clones were seen??? lol, ull see a different story if u read em all.

For someone who’s such a big Naruto fan, you’d think he’d get something right.

And apparently applying logic and evidence is being “Bleach biased.” I don’t even really like Bleach all that much. 😂

😄 , fail to both.

Originally posted by Haruhi
Sarcasm is a form of humour and wit. Nowhere is it stated that it has to be used when bitter. In fact, I don't think I've ever used sarcasm to express bitterness. I guess this is just one of those things you made up, like, you know, your entire Naruto argument, to try to appear like you know what you're talking about -- even though it's blatantly obvious you don't.

What's to be bitter about? The entire BOARD agrees that Bleach is faster, more powerful and has better feats than Naruto. Do you really think your out-of-your-ass lies will really change what's actually displayed?

Tsk, tsk.

Whitey wins.

WIT???? 😱 😆 😆 😆 😆 . please do not give yourself so much credit. it really isnt well placed. self praise couples with false statements and poor attempts at personal insult, sum wud say, your STILL bitter 😄 .

Originally posted by leonheartmm
u finding it funny or not has nuthing to do with the actual argument. i clearly explained what happened in the scans u urself provided. to double check i even watched the anime and that exact same part of the fight, gues what, naruto ANIMATEDLY canged direction in midair. so u have manga scan and anime, whats left to refute?

Prove any one has ever moved in mid-air using chakra. Just prove it. Even once.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
hurt =/= screaming out. havent we been over this, he made the statement to comment on kusanagi's power, what is so hard to understand.

I’ve seen Thing claim he could take Hulk, even after he already had his ass kicked a few times by him. I’ve seen Spider-Man claim Thor couldn’t lift a pile of rubble that Spidey himself was able to lift. I’ve seen Thanos say he wouldn’t want to take Hulk on in a fight, yet he had shown he easily capable of manhandling Hulk.

On-panel evidence proved all those statements wrong as well. So go ahead, prove he was hurt. I’ll wait.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
lmao, ur better off using another argument. snake =/= wing. plus he CLEARLY used it as a grapple when he extended and wrapped the snakes around a tree to pull himself away from the explosion of mines if diedara. WHY IN HEAVENS wud he need to do that if the snakes worked like a wing, when infact he cud just fly away!

Now, please tell me why would he only grow out a bunch of snakes, in place of his missing wing, in the SHAPE of his missing wing, only when he goes up to Deidara, if he didn’t use it to fly.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
lol, already dealt with. pointed out in the manga. and double checkd the exact same scan in the anime. its MID AIR.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
please look closely at the scan BEFORE naruto holds the blade in his arm, the point where the blade pierces his chest to a degree and PROPELS him away and into the ground.

Originally posted by leonheartmm

didnt say it wasnt PIS. but it happened if in the face all out evidence is required.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
lol, how many scans were there in which the heaight of the multile missile like clones were seen??? lol, ull see a different story if u read em all.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
WIT???? 😱 😆 😆 😆 😆 . please do not give yourself so much credit. it really isnt well placed. self praise couples with false statements and poor attempts at personal insult, sum wud say, your STILL bitter 😄 .

False statements? Is that why everything Accel has stated has actual canon proof with scans that support it? And is that why everything you stated is obviously contradicted by manga scans? Uh, right.

You can think all you want to, sugar. But in the end.... Whitey wins. And hard.

On-panel evidence > your groundless opinion. Anime doesn’t count. Blah, blah, blah.

Prove any one has ever moved in mid-air using chakra. Just prove it. Even once.

enma's statement = ON PANEL EVIDENCE. your oppinion that in spite of the statement he didnt get hurt = CONJECTURE

If you’re so sure he was hurt, then prove it, ‘cause his statement doesn’t mean any thing if it’s obvious he didn’t wasn’t reeling from the blade.

I’ve seen Thing claim he could take Hulk, even after he already had his ass kicked a few times by him. I’ve seen Spider-Man claim Thor couldn’t lift a pile of rubble that Spidey himself was able to lift. I’ve seen Thanos say he wouldn’t want to take Hulk on in a fight, yet he had shown he easily capable of manhandling Hulk.

On-panel evidence proved all those statements wrong as well. So go ahead, prove he was hurt. I’ll wait.

his statement does that. the fact that it was never specifically stated to nevr have felt pain is another. his statement sets up the premise.

and most of the examples are of characters UNDERESTIMATING their opposition. and marvel as about as consistant as the bible so that is a bad example to generalise from.

u dont have to wait, his statement and further lack of any denial of the statement on panel is evidence enough. what ur doing is like saying kisame is greater than jiraya even though kisame said he was afraid of him and cudnt handle him and yet simply because jiraya didnt specifically own kisame's ass in the small encounter.

Obviously it didn’t occur to him before, since he didn’t have those snakes out before he went up.

lol. your logic is circular. he flew because he had the snakes. the snakes were wings because they came out after he {supposedly} flew{never stated on panel}. ur forgetting that SNAKES are not WINGS, your also forgetting the major fact that he JUMPED and used body flicker to gte their. and the most major thing your CONSISTANTLY being unable to reply to is the fact that sasuke used the snakes as GRAPPLE to grab onto a tree trunk and PULL himself away from the explosion when infact it wudnt be necessary if they cud help him fly as he wudv just flown away.

Now, please tell me why would he only grow out a bunch of snakes, in place of his missing wing, in the SHAPE of his missing wing, only when he goes up to Deidara, if he didn’t use it to fly.

to balance the projection of his remaining wing. to cover the reveales wound of his broken wing. to have some kind of protection that previously the wing offered. but THE MOST easy and understandable definition is he used them as GRAPPLING TOOLS in the absense of his wing.{he grappled with in on panel}.

Anime doesn’t count, friend.

lol, now what did i say? evident in the MANGA, PROVEN by crosschekcing in the anime. u have no case.

So all of a sudden Orochimaru doesn’t know what he’s talking about?

lol. he was commenting on how ANY chakra cud deflect or keep the kusanagi at bay. if u look at the scan, it first pierces him but later naruto resists it by grabbing it in his HAND, and it is that which uro think is so great, naruto being able to grab it and puch it back at all.

Prove he moved at lightspeed. ‘Cause it sure didn’t help him against Kyuubi Naruto.

didnt i already explain it. it was PIS, plot device, stupidity. but it HAPPENED. he moved at the speed of REFLECTION between mirrors which is lightspeed.

Go ahead then. Show me even one instance where that happened. ‘Cause that’s the only time you’ll see Naruto’s clones jump from the lake.

being stubborn again?