The Runner vs. Superman

Originally posted by Juntai
Supes can on panel match up pretty much every feat Thanos has done under his own power. And then has hundreds on top that Thanos can't match.

It would be a very cool fight though, that's for sure. I would be cheering for Thanos, but my money is on Superman.

Originally posted by Juntai
Quantity and quality, Superman clearly has the advantage in the feat department entirely. What has he done that Superman hasn't accomplished similarly on an equal or greater level?

I was pointing out the flaw in the logic as well, so to reitterate my point back at me was fairly moot.

I'm also not sure what you're getting at about Thanos' feats involving attaining ultimate type of power, beause that's beyond his personal powerset. In fact, they're not even 'feats' so much as plotlines in that regard.

Average quality of Superman's feats are higher than beating Surfer more easily than Shaq beats a three year old? I am not asking whether or not Superman has done it before. I am asking how often he does it.

You said:

You can try to use Surfer as some sort of ABC logic of how Thanos is over Superman, but the same effect can be accomplished the other way as well.

I say Runner doing those things places him in a tier above herald. If that is ABC logic, everything you claim about Superman is ABC as well. Moot, maybe. Correct, definitely.

Prep and execution of plans is to Thanos what brawling and fisticuffs is to Superman. If it's within his character to bring a gun to a knife-fight, that is his MO. The tool matters not. Only the execution does.

Not feats but plotlines? Every feat in comics is the result of a story, whether essential or filler. Unless you are claiming that IG/HOTU etc were all examples of deus ex machina.

Originally posted by Kid Kurdy

Maybe you didn’t notice it, but that was the point I was trying to make.

Difference is : you assume Fallen One was going Real Fast, while I don’t know his speed.

And how is that a faulty one? We both know how fast heralds can go when out for blood. My assumption is grounded in logic, while you claim a lack of knowledge. Try showing me why my assumption was false.

Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
No it doesn’t. It only proves you see what you want to see.

Perhaps you are not seeing what you do not want to see?

Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
There is NO circumstantial evidence, only your imagination : “Gosh, this guy is a herald, so he must be going at least at the speed of light !”.

We both know my syntax is a lot better than that. Don't be silly. All feats without narrative evidence are circumstantial evidence. When superman turned Mageddon, do we ask how heavy it was? The answer is pretty damn heavy. Do we know that heralds can go pretty damn fast? Rhetorical. Do we know that fallen one was out to kill Thanos? Rhetorical. 2 + 2 = 4? Rhetorical.

Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
I'm sorry - not really - but you are wrong. I clearly wrote that we, the readers, don't have a clue about the speed at which Fallen One was attacking Thanos.

So don't twist my words, I said : we don't know his speed. All the rest is up for debate.

It's really very simple. We don't have a clue how heavy the wheels of mageddon were, except via inferences from the size of the whole object. You want to discount that as a strength feat because we don't know how much it weighed? As I said, pretty damn much must suffice. We KNOW that heralds can go pretty damn fast when all out. Argue that all you want. Fallen one was nothing shot of all out in that battle. Once again, the burden of proof is on you to show me that Fallen one was going slow enough that it is not a reflex feat for Thanos.

Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
Not really. I think you need both, speed and reflexes in order to successfully blitz somebody. [/B]

Reflexes are reactionary. Speed is proactive. If the blitzer is that much faster, his reflexes matter much less, because superior speed ensures that the entity getting blitzed is the one that needs to react.

Originally posted by Ouallada
Average quality of Superman's feats are higher than beating Surfer more easily than Shaq beats a three year old? I am not asking whether or not Superman has done it before. I am asking how often he does it.

You said:

I say Runner doing those things places him in a tier above herald. If that is ABC logic, everything you claim about Superman is ABC as well. Moot, maybe. Correct, definitely.

Prep and execution of plans is to Thanos what brawling and fisticuffs is to Superman. If it's within his character to bring a gun to a knife-fight, that is his MO. The tool matters not. Only the execution does.

Not feats but plotlines? Every feat in comics is the result of a story, whether essential or filler. Unless you are claiming that IG/HOTU etc were all examples of deus ex machina.

They would be classified under specifically powered up versions of the character, Thanos doesn't have those items in a thread, it is irrelivent to the discussion here. Thanos can't do that under normal circumstances in a forum thread battle unless specifically given the powerup by the thread starter. It's an outside force, not a feat performed by Thanos' character. No one tries to argue that Hal Jordan is the reality wiping Zero Hour version whenever "Green Lantern" is put into a thread. Him smashing groups of GLs on the way to the battery? Feats. Him obtaining ultimate power? Not so much, when considering what is debatable material on the forum. You're just going way off base and making this tiresome very quickly with backwards debating.

Prep might be Thanos' greatest tool, but he doesn't/wouldn't have any, unless specifically given some. He is merely his base character. Show me Thanos matching Superman's strength, speed, agility, and combat prowess on the fly should the two meet randomly. What are his feats in these areas not involving prep or tech that he wouldn't have in a forum scenario? For every showing you could come up with, likely Superman has one similar to it, or one better. Regular Superman just cutting off the mental blocks - especially given the bloodlusted rule. And that's exactly my point about him not being head and shoulders over Superman. And Runner certainly doesn't have the feats for me to believe he is either.

Originally posted by Juntai
You must be slow. Let me try this again....I was clearly making those points with INTENDED use of similar ABC logic, scoffing at what you and others were doing. The faults in the logic you were using a couple pages ago. Telling me I'm doing that very thing is definately moot, because it's fully intended

They would be classified under specifically powered up versions of the character, Thanos doesn't have those items in a thread, it is irrelivent to the discussion here. Thanos can't do that under normal circumstances in a forum thread battle unless specifically given the powerup by the thread starter. It's an outside force, not a feat performed by Thanos' character. No one tries to argue that Hal Jordan is the reality wiping Zero Hour version whenever "Green Lantern" is put into a thread, you're just going way off base and making this tiresome very quickly with backwards debating.

Prep might be Thanos' greatest tool, but he doesn't/wouldn't have any, unless specifically given some. He is merely his base character. Show me Thanos matching Superman's strength, speed, agility, and combat prowess on the fly should the two meet randomly. What are his feats in these areas not involving prep or tech that he wouldn't have in a forum scenario? For every showing you could come up with, likely Superman has one similar to it, or one better. Regular Superman just cutting off the mental blocks - especially given the bloodlusted rule. And that's exactly my point about him not being head and shoulders over Superman.

Which is a point I was making earlier that Most writers tend to agree that DC"s heroes are more powerful than Marvel's. A DC hero in Marvel would likely be on par with Marvel Villians. Which usually are more DCesque.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Which is a point I was making earlier that Most writers tend to agree that DC"s heroes are more powerful than Marvel's. A DC hero in Marvel would likely be on par with Marvel Villians. Which usually are more DCesque.

Your Marvel cosmic heroes are going to be just as powerful as their DC counterparts (and outside of the GLs and New Gods, generally more powerful).

In the end, it all evens out. DC generally has more powerful heroes but this is offset by Marvel's powerful cosmic heroes.

It's funny how Silver Surfer beat the Champion, an elder who dedicated his life to fighting, but lost to the Runner, a golden boy smiley-jogger.

I'd like to see a rematch where surfer is prepared for that emotion power of the Runner's.

Originally posted by Kid Kurdy

Maybe you didn’t notice it, but that was the point I was trying to make.

Difference is : you assume Fallen One was going Real Fast, while I don’t know his speed.

No it doesn’t. It only proves you see what you want to see.

There is NO circumstantial evidence, only your imagination : “Gosh, this guy is a herald, so he must be going at least at the speed of light !”.

Like I said a million times before : you just don’t know that. Not in the least.

I'm sorry - not really - but you are wrong. I clearly wrote that we, the readers, don't have a clue about the speed at which Fallen One was attacking Thanos.

See ? Here is my previous post.

So don't twist my words, I said : we don't know his speed. All the rest is up for debate.

Not really. I think you need both, speed and reflexes in order to successfully blitz somebody. [/B]

First of all.

http://img143.imagevenue.com/view.php?loc=loc24&image=4c944_forg3.jpg

That doesnt look like hes hauling ass at all....that looks like hes going really slow. I mean look it and the lines and the expression on his face.....in fact I think I think I can see a cigarette....yeah he actually stopped to take a smoke. He looks totally relaxed.

As for the speed we dont know exactly how fast hes going but you know what. Heralds can fly faster than the speed of light.....hes fighting Thanos......he knows if he loses the battle theres a good possibility he will die....hes flying towards him...so....hes probably flying as fast as possible!!!!!! Which is really fast...bloody obvious!

An athelete running from a bear is going to run as fast as possible. We may not know exactly how fast hes running but we know hes going to be running as fast as he possibly can within his capability.

Originally posted by Alfheim
First of all.

http://img143.imagevenue.com/view.php?loc=loc24&image=4c944_forg3.jpg

That doesnt look like hes hauling ass at all....that looks like hes going really slow. I mean look it and the lines and the expression on his face.....in fact I think I think I can see a cigarette....yeah he actually stopped to take a smoke. He looks totally relaxed.

As for the speed we dont know exactly how fast hes going but you know what. Heralds can fly faster than the speed of light.....hes fighting Thanos......he knows if he loses the battle theres a good possibility he will die....hes flying towards him...so....hes probably flying as fast as possible!!!!!! Which is really fast...bloody obvious!

An athelete running from a bear is going to run as fast as possible. We may not know exactly how fast hes running but we know hes going to be running as fast as he possibly can within his capability.

Originally posted by Juntai
The inside cover of a magazine or something @ Scan?

I dont know what your going on about. 😐

Your scan is showing a table of contents for a magazine of some sort rather than a scan from a comic book. Looks like Ashlee Simpson, then names off pages of articles the magazine contains.

Page 24 is about Matisyahu.

Originally posted by Juntai
Your scan is showing a table of contents for a magazine of some sort rather than a scan from a comic book. Looks like Ashlee Simpson, then names off pages of articles the magazine contains.

Page 24 is about Matisyahu.

Well it works for me go the Thanos Death Club respect thread.

Originally posted by Ouallada
My assumption is grounded in logic, while you claim a lack of knowledge.

I'm still waiting for some solid proof. And don't gimme that "You have to prove he wasn't going that fast", because I clearly wrote I don't know his speed.

How can I prove something I just don't know ?

You on the other hand are convinced he was going insanely fast, so I guess it can't be that difficult to prove it, no ?

Superman appears to be back to pre crisis levels. He has the pre crisis fortress and is about to start time travelling again. He will own Runner.

Originally posted by Alfheim
As for the speed we dont know exactly how fast hes going but you know what. Heralds can fly faster than the speed of light.....hes fighting Thanos......he knows if he loses the battle theres a good possibility he will die....hes flying towards him...so....hes probably flying as fast as possible!!!!!! Which is really fast...bloody obvious!

Mach 5 is also pretty fast. Speed of light is even a hell of a lot faster. So help me, where can we place Fallen One's attack speed (while he was fighting Thanos) ?

....hes flying towards him...so....hes probably flying as fast as possible!!!!!!

By the way, it makes perfectly sense that you travel towards somebody at the speed of light, when your opponent is like what, 25 meters away ?

Yeah, very logical.

On a side note : when Surfer tried to grab the IG from Thanos, well, now THAT was a good example when talking about a super fast attack from a herald. Now discussion here.

But Fallen One flying towards Thanos (all the rest is speculation).... well, whatever it takes to give Thanos some extra powers (super reflexes, eat your heart out Spider-Man !)

Originally posted by Kid Kurdy

Really fast you say. Okay, no problem here.

Mach 5 is also pretty fast. Speed of light is even a hell of a lot faster. So help me, where can we place Fallen One's attack speed (while he was fighting Thanos) ? [/B]

As fast as you possibly can without ****ing yourself up, its a life and death situation. Whatever your stop speed is it would be near it, for example if you are trying to run towards a dangerous opponent and your maximum speed is 35 mph...it would most likely be 35 or something near it.

Originally posted by Kid Kurdy

I like the fact you wrote "probably". That means : you're not sure.
[/B]

Bro when scientist build computer systems there are still things they are not sure about but they still use it the reason being is that they eventhough they are not sure it probably will work. There are lots of things in life that people are not sure about people go with the most likely explanation. So pointing out that im not 100 percent certain is pointless.

Originally posted by Kid Kurdy

By the way, it makes perfectly sense that you travel towards somebody at the speed of light, when your opponent is like what, 25 meters away ?

Yeah, very logical.[/B]

Well whats wrong with that? How is it not logical?

Originally posted by Kid Kurdy

On a side note : when Surfer tried to grab the IG from Thanos, well, now THAT was a good example when talking about a super fast attack from a herald. Now discussion here.[/B]

Yeah and?

Originally posted by Kid Kurdy

But Fallen One flying towards Thanos (all the rest is speculation).... well, whatever it takes to give Thanos some extra powers (super reflexes, eat your heart out Spider-Man !) [/B]

Dont see what your point is.

Originally posted by Alfheim
As fast as you possibly can without ****ing yourself up, its a life and death situation. Whatever your stop speed is it would be near it, for example if you are trying to run towards a dangerous opponent and your maximum speed is 35 mph...it would most likely be 35 or something near it.

Bro when scientist build computer systems there are still things they are not sure about but they still use it the reason being is that they eventhough they are not sure it probably will work. There are lots of things in life that people are not sure about people go with the most likely explanation. So pointing out that im not 100 percent certain is pointless.

Well whats wrong with that? How is it not logical?

Yeah and?

Dont see what your point is.

The Fallen One wasn't going light speed. That much is obvious. He would over shoot his mark. The heralds are never shown fighting in light speed. They always are shown traveling in light speed. I guess we can assume every time Wonder Woman, Superman, GL, MM, Thor, Gladiator, Wolverine, Spiderman, or anyone blitzes someone, it's light speed.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The Fallen One wasn't going light speed. That much is obvious. He would over shoot his mark.

Hod do you know that. I think ive seen SS travel at light speed and stop suddenly. Even if he over shot his mark, so what? he mighjt succeed in going right through him.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl

The heralds are never shown fighting in light speed. They always are shown traveling in light speed. I guess we can assume every time Wonder Woman, Superman, GL, MM, Thor, Gladiator, Wolverine, Spiderman, or anyone blitzes someone, it's light speed.

Wolverine, WW and Spiderman dont even have the capability of travelling at light speed, those are bad examples. The problem is your assuming that if you travel at light speed you will over shoot your mark, I dont think this is neccesarily true.

If your top speed is the speed of light and you can control it and you are fighting Thanos you will either got at that speed or near it.

Originally posted by Futureman
Superman appears to be back to pre crisis levels. He has the pre crisis fortress and is about to start time travelling again. He will own Runner.

It's true. I'm guessing that by the final crisis he'll be closer to Pre-crisis
levels than ever.

Originally posted by Futureman
Superman appears to be back to pre crisis levels. He has the pre crisis fortress and is about to start time travelling again. He will own Runner.

Feats, my friend, feats.