The Runner vs. Superman

Originally posted by Ouallada
Those were runner's average feats. I know that superman has beaten characters above those. Why then would he likely lose to either Thanos or Surfer if so? Either a case of selective memory or a faulty generalisation. I expected better from a respected debater as yourself.

I've seen no evidence that puts Thanos head and shoulders over Superman either.

You can bring up him defeating a group of top tiers, Superman has the same.
A high end cosmic threat? Check for Supes as well.

You can try to use Surfer as some sort of ABC logic of how Thanos is over Superman, but the same effect can be accomplished the other way as well.

Originally posted by Juntai
For the most part they're Runners only feats. He doesn't have many.

I've seen no evidence that puts Thanos head and shoulders over Superman either.

You can bring up him defeating a group of top tiers, Superman has the same.
A high end cosmic threat? Check for Supes as well.

You can try to use Surfer as some sort of ABC logic of how Thanos is over Superman, but the same effect can be accomplished the other way as well.

Since they are runner's only feats, that is the level he is debated at.

As for you believing that Superman is equal to or greater than Surfer and/or Thanos, that's fine. That is a story for another thread. Most logical posters on here would disagree though. Those threads already exist, and I will gladly debate either surfer or Thanos against Superman if a newer thread were ever to be created, and to be honest, I would fancy my chances.

Just to check on the last point. If I were to use SS losing to Thanos as evidence of Thanos > Superman, that would be ABC logic, right? However, Superman defeating other herald or Thanos level beings would not be ABC logic?

Originally posted by Juntai
For the most part they're Runners only feats. He doesn't have many.

I've seen no evidence that puts Thanos head and shoulders over Superman either.

You can bring up him defeating a group of top tiers, Superman has the same.
A high end cosmic threat? Check for Supes as well.

You can try to use Surfer as some sort of ABC logic of how Thanos is over Superman, but the same effect can be accomplished the other way as well.

The writers see it the way you do too. IF you look at DC vs. Marvel, the writers clearly show that DS is above Thanos. THanos is getting his ass kicked by Wonder Woman, Captain Marvel and GL. WHile DS is laughting at SIlver Surfer, THor and storm. I'd wager that if you take a side by side comparison of feats, Superman, and THor both have feats that dwarf THanos's own without prep or tech aid.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The writers see it the way you do too. IF you look at DC vs. Marvel, the writers clearly show that DS is above Thanos. THanos is getting his ass kicked by Wonder Woman, Captain Marvel and GL. WHile DS is laughting at SIlver Surfer, THor and storm. I'd wager that if you take a side by side comparison of feats, Superman, and THor both have feats that dwarf THanos's own without prep or tech aid.

I don't think most logical people are arguing that Thanos > Darkseid. As for Thanos losing to WW, CM or GLs, create the threads and you will find out what most sensible people think. Why is Storm in this? To be honest, I don't really see the reason behind this post of yours.

Originally posted by Ouallada
I don't think most logical people are arguing that Thanos > Darkseid. As for Thanos losing to WW, CM or GLs, create the threads and you will find out what most sensible people think. Why is Storm in this? To be honest, I don't really see the reason behind this post of yours.

To show what the writers think of relative power. Superman even says in his world, the dials go up to eleven. In JLA avengers, it talkes about how the heroes from DC are generally more powerful. Then you have WW breaking a construct, Easily beating an immortal herc. I'd say that Superman is actually closer to Thanos lvl if not exact.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
To show what the writers think of relative power. Superman even says in his world, the dials go up to eleven. In JLA avengers, it talkes about how the heroes from DC are generally more powerful. Then you have WW breaking a construct, Easily beating an immortal herc. I'd say that Superman is actually closer to Thanos lvl if not exact.

So in the end it all boils down to DC being able to piss further than Marvel? Apologies for the language, but the essence remains true. No one here takes crossovers with anything less than a barrel of salt. If they did, the Superman vs Thor thread would have lasted about three posts. One to start the thread, one to post the scans, and one for the mod to close. Comparing DC:Marvel using DS:Thanos for example, is just flawed. There are no exact parallels. That is why we have this forum.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The writers see it the way you do too. IF you look at DC vs. Marvel, the writers clearly show that DS is above Thanos. THanos is getting his ass kicked by Wonder Woman, Captain Marvel and GL.

Plus, in that story, Thanos and Darkseid were portrayed as exact equals.

Also, Storm beat WW in DC/Marvel. 😂

And Logan beat Lobo. Meh. Jesus kills a cat everytime someone says Marvel > DC or DC > Marvel.

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
No he wasn't... Thanos was beating the shit out of those guys...
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/DCvsMarvel04-p24.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/DCvsMarvel04-p25.jpg

Plus, in that story, Thanos and Darkseid were portrayed as exact equals.

Also, Storm beat WW in DC/Marvel. 😂

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Um, they weren't portrayed as exact equals. Are you reading the same book? Thanos looks quite weary where as DS is pretty much laughing. Try again. DS took no dmg. Thanos is getting rocked. he hits ww and she gets RIGHT back up.

Thanos pimp slapped/threw WW, of course she's going to get back up. And Thanos looks far from weary.

Plus, Darkseid hit Thor with his beams and Thor got up in the next page.
Your logic fails.
Plus, how can Darkseid be laughing, when he back is to the readers?

Also, a comic earlier Thanos was matching eyebeams with Darkseid.

Oh wait! Thanos has a look on his face that makes it look like he's trying, and Darkseid is laughing! 🙄

Either way, if you're going to take Marvel vs DC into consideration, then Storm beat WW.

um bran, the writers. you remember me saying what the writers portrayed. Storm vs wonder woman was the fans. DS calls thanos a pale imitation. and thanos looks far worse off than DS did. DS wasn't even fighting hand to hand. he was tossing casual bolts around and not even raising much of a fuss about it.

The Runner curbstomps Supes

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
um bran, the writers. you remember me saying what the writers portrayed. Storm vs wonder woman was the fans. DS calls thanos a pale imitation. and thanos looks far worse off than DS did. DS wasn't even fighting hand to hand. he was tossing casual bolts around and not even raising much of a fuss about it.

Because he calls him a pale imitation, that gives you the right to make up your own story?

Thanos just fought Lobo, got stabbed by BONE CLAW Wolverine ( 😐 ), and then fought his opponents.
Darkseid only had a tiny fight with Thanos.

What the hell does h2h have to do with anything?

Fact is, Thanos and Darkseid were equals in that comic. Whether you ignore it or not, it makes no difference.
Plus, Marvel/DC was a horrible piece of trash, and why you would bring it up in the first place, is beyond me...

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
So, Storm has more fans than WW? That's even worse...

Because he calls him a pale imitation, that gives you the right to make up your own story?

Thanos just fought Lobo, got stabbed by BONE CLAW Wolverine ( 😐 ), and then fought his opponents.
Darkseid only had a tiny fight with Thanos.

What the hell does h2h have to do with anything?

Fact is, Thanos and Darkseid were equals in that comic. Whether you ignore it or not, it makes no difference.
Plus, Marvel/DC was a horrible piece of trash, and why you would bring it up in the first place, is beyond me...

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I brought it up to show what the writers think about DC characters in relation to marvel characters. And Storm is an xman buddy. Xmen are more popular than EVERYONE. Even superman. As I stated before, Superman has greater feats than Thanos ever had on his own.

No X-Man is ever going to be more popular than Superman... ever. 😐

Blah, blah, blah, I don't care. Whatever helps you get over Darkseid losing.
Nothing to do with Marvel/DC, though.

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
Which was a great misinterpretation. Also, there was DC writers on the comic when Venom was knocking around Superman...

No X-Man is ever going to be more popular than Superman... ever. 😐

Blah, blah, blah, I don't care. Whatever helps you get over Darkseid losing.
Nothing to do with Marvel/DC, though.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
LOL if you think I think of DS loses are actually NoN PIS NON CIS moments.

But, trying to hype up Superman to make the losses look legit, is horrible logic...

The rest of your post, is going into the "Best Posts" thread...

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
I don't care what his losses are, to be honest.

But, trying to hype up Superman to make the losses look legit, is horrible logic...

The rest of your post, is going into the "Best Posts" thread...

Is the truth somehow supposed to be insulting for me to say? LMAO bran. You are so funny. you really think you insult me. HAH. If you only knew. And I'm not hyping up superman for his loses to look anything. Superman clearly just does have superior feats to thanos.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Is the truth somehow supposed to be insulting for me to say? LMAO bran. You are so funny. you really think you insult me. HAH. If you only knew. And I'm not hyping up superman for his loses to look anything. Superman clearly just does have superior feats to thanos.

Actually, you're hyping up Superman to make DS losing to him, be nothing.
You even said this before the Quanchi battle, and during.

Anyway, this has become pretty pointless.

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
Which was a great misinterpretation. Also, there was DC writers on the comic when Venom was knocking around Superman...

No X-Man is ever going to be more popular than Superman... ever. 😐

Blah, blah, blah, I don't care. Whatever helps you get over Darkseid losing.
Nothing to do with Marvel/DC, though.

*coughwolverinecough*

ds losing to superman isnt a low showing... superman always wins in the end, because he's superman... it isnt jobbing or a slight on superman, its just how his character has always been set up...