Street Fighter IV

Originally posted by Jin Saotome
After takin some time to think about it…I feel where Capcom is comin from wit this “SFIV” thing.
It’s been damn near a decade since the last NEW SF. It would be a huge mistake to come out wit a completely new game and call it a SF.

Not really, at this point the franchise has to change. We've been treading on Street Fighter II grounds for a while now. I don't see what new players would dislike about change, since the whole reason SFII is in 3-D is for Capcom to test the waters of the 3-D fighting game market again with their top fighting game franchise in an attempt to gain new fans. New gamers don't really care about the cast keeping a familiar cast as much as the the graphics or visuals. Capcom know's this, which is why the game is in 3-D. If keeping everything the same was so important to the success of this game, then the game should have been in 2-D.

The reason why Capcom is keeping the cast is because it is the most popular to hardcore players. Capcom is basically saying: " Hey, if this 3-D fighter doesn't gain that much new fans, at least hardcore fans we picked up back in Street Fighter II will but it because it has the same characters at the height of the franchises popularity"

Originally posted by Jin Saotome

They usin the old Alpha 3 formula

That was only for the console version and Alpha came out because Alpha 2 was popular.

Originally posted by Jin Saotome

If they make this SFIV and only have like 3 to 4 returnin characters, and change EVERYTHING about it like everyone seems to want, nobody is gonna buy it, except the hard core fans.

It would be dumb to come off a long ass break wit a totally new game and expect it to sell like the old one, didn’t work for Alpha, surely didn’t work for III, and it aint gonna work for this.

Considering how popular Third strike is in the 2-d fighting game movement I doubt it. Granted that the game did not take off for a while, but that was because it came out during the time that 2-D fighters began to lose their hold. The biggest misconception is that the cast has something to do with it's sales.

Originally posted by Jin Saotome

They wanna get peeps back into the SF mood, then drastically start changin shit about the series again, once er body realizes that SF is back on the map.

Do people honestly believe that this game will do what Street Fighter II did back in 1991? This game will not put arcades back on the map like SFII did nor will it revive the franchise. It will do a dent, but that's it. You gotta remember that when SFII first came out, the market was very different. Fighting games were still in their early stages. Nowadays, fighters are crazy, especially in the 3-D market. Essentially. Capcom is pitting a 3-d build of Street fighter II against the likes of this:

YouTube video

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Originally posted by Sado22

one wont complain so much if they were some underbudget company who need to pay off some loans or need to rush things up or have to really save themselves from going backrupt.

~Sado

That's what pisses me off, they are a very big company. But, they are the biggest penny pincher's ever. Capcom has alot of talent, but they are afraid to take risk. That's what I hate about Capcom.

Originally posted by Classic NES
Not really, at this point the franchise has to change.

Originally posted by Classic NES
We've been treading on Street Fighter II grounds for a while now. I don't see what new players would dislike about change, since the whole reason SFII is in 3-D is for Capcom to test the waters of the 3-D fighting game market again with their top fighting game franchise in an attempt to gain new fans.

Originally posted by Classic NES
New gamers don't really care about the cast keeping a familiar cast as much as the the graphics or visuals.

Originally posted by Classic NES
Capcom know's this, which is why the game is in 3-D. If keeping everything the same was so important to the success of this game, then the game should have been in 2-D.

Originally posted by Classic NES
The reason why Capcom is keeping the cast is because it is the most popular to hardcore players. Capcom is basically saying: " Hey, if this 3-D fighter doesn't gain that much new fans, at least hardcore fans we picked up back in Street Fighter II will but it because it has the same characters at the height of the franchises popularity"

Originally posted by Classic NES
That was only for the console version and Alpha came out because Alpha 2 was popular.

Originally posted by Classic NES
Considering how popular Third strike is in the 2-d fighting game movement I doubt it. Granted that the game did not take off for a while, but that was because it came out during the time that 2-D fighters began to lose their hold. The biggest misconception is that the cast has something to do with it's sales.

Originally posted by Classic NES
Do people honestly believe that this game will do what Street Fighter II did back in 1991?

Originally posted by Classic NES
This game will not put arcades back on the map like SFII did nor will it revive the franchise. It will do a dent, but that's it. You gotta remember that when SFII first came out, the market was very different. Fighting games were still in their early stages. Nowadays, fighters are crazy, especially in the 3-D market.

Originally posted by Classic NES
Essentially. Capcom is pitting a 3-d build of Street fighter II against the likes of this:

YouTube video

YouTube video

Who’s Siegfried, they gonna be like
“Who”?
Ya know the guy from Soul Calibur.
“I don’t remember”.
Ya know, the white guy wit long blond hair and giant sword.
“Oh yeah that dude”.
A you remember Jin Kazama from Tekken?
“Yeah, he was in Tekken 2”!
No, 3…
“Oh, well I aint played Tekken since 2”.

But as soon as you say “Sonic Boom”, they gonna be like…
“That’s Guile”.

I bet that peeps in my area are gonna buy SF before they buy Tekken or Soul Calibur, no matter how lesser the graphics are. SF sticks wit’em, that’s what they remember, they like the characters and the moves, and they remember that SF is good and simple (unlike todays 3D fighters)

well I think what most people are looking for is the kind of jump Soul Edge made when it became Soul Calibur

I would personally like to see 8-way run in street fighter
or something entirely new... you 'can' have different and still have the essence of that series.. like resident evil 4 or mario 64... different gameplay entirely but never lost its spirit

Originally posted by Jin Saotome
And it will, just not to the point of erasin the entire game and makin a totally different one and then call it SF.

Even though that's been the way SF sequels have always been? Compare SFI to SFII then to SFIII, just look at the cast? Usually, the entire cast get's scrapped minus Ken and Ryu. That's Street Fighter Tradition, not this so called sequel following an Alpha formula. Like I said, it's just to pander to SFII fans because that's the more popular SF formula.

Originally posted by Jin Saotome

Yes, but keep it similar to the original to bring the old fans back (the guys who only played SF 2), no one is gonna play a SF with no Ryu or Ken, or have Ryu and Ken dressed up in different costumes with totally different move sets.

I never said get rid of Ryu and Ken since they've been in every SF. But, the entire SFII cast is not necessary to play a new SF. Look how many games had the SFII, cast. I expected returning characters, but not the original eight with the same normals and supers.

Originally posted by Jin Saotome

Fans of SF will, I don’t know ‘bout you but I do (sux for me when my fav character isn’t in the game) , same reason why they put Ryu, Ken, and Chun Li in SFIII, fans wanted them.

Doesn't suck enough for me to not play a new game. If I don't like it, then I should play the other 432542345465 games with the SFII cast. 😬

Originally posted by Jin Saotome

Well, they gotta try something different. Seems to me that you think Capcom is focusin on just bringin in new fans, which aint the case. They want old fans and new comers to buy this game.

That's not an excuse since that's what all games "try" to do. Notice I use the word try, because a real game franchise leaves options for both. Seriously, why should new players play this game when they can just play SFII or Alpha series? Because this game is in 3-D and looks nice?

Originally posted by Jin Saotome

And what wrong wit that?

Originally posted by Jin Saotome

My point is, it still happened though and I gaurauntee that that console version was the best sellin version of SFA3. My point is, Alpha didn’t do as well as II, and III didn’t do as well as Alpha. I never meant that the games bombed, they didn’t (did a lot better than KOF or Guilty Gear), it’s just that they didn’t do as well as the ones before

No, Street Fighter did as good as part II. Because later SF came out at a time when 2-D was dying and that's because Capcom waited to long to make sequel. SFII pretty much revived arcades and set the standard for 2-d fighters, kinda hard to top something that had such great timing and innovation for it's time.

Originally posted by Jin Saotome

Lol, Hell no! But when you mention SF, people aint gonna be like, “they still make those”?, they’re gonna be like “I hear there’s a SFIV”

I know that, but a dent is all they’ll need, this upcomin SF is just a test, imo.

10 years and constant c*ck teasing for a test, that's lame as hell.

Originally posted by Jin Saotome

Lol, none of those games are SF, none of those games have Ryu or Ken, there are no Hadoukens or Sonic Booms.

They still a helluva lot better than SFII.

Originally posted by Jin Saotome

Round my way if you ask a person…

Who’s Siegfried, they gonna be like
“Who”?
Ya know the guy from Soul Calibur.
“I don’t remember”.
Ya know, the white guy wit long blond hair and giant sword.
“Oh yeah that dude”.
A you remember Jin Kazama from Tekken?
“Yeah, he was in Tekken 2”!
No, 3…
“Oh, well I aint played Tekken since 2”.

But as soon as you say “Sonic Boom”, they gonna be like…
“That’s Guile”.

It's because of the notoriety of the franchise, are you telling me that if they only had 5 out of the original 12 cast people would not still be hyped about a new SF?

Originally posted by Jin Saotome

I bet that peeps in my area are gonna buy SF before they buy Tekken or Soul Calibur, no matter how lesser the graphics are. SF sticks wit’em, that’s what they remember, they like the characters and the moves, and they remember that SF is good and simple (unlike todays 3D fighters)

Originally posted by SaTsuJiN
well I think what most people are looking for is the kind of jump Soul Edge made when it became Soul Calibur

I would personally like to see 8-way run in street fighter
or something entirely new... you 'can' have different and still have the essence of that series.. like resident evil 4 or mario 64... different gameplay entirely but never lost its spirit

Exactly, which is why I call B.S. on Capcom fans theory about SFIV being a test. I bought into that B.S. as well before, but it doesn't make sense because if Capcom was so concerned for how hardcore SF fans wanted this game to be. They wouldn't have bothered to make the game 3-D. Obviously the whole reason why the game was made 3-D was because they wanted to try something new and it was the biggest concern when the game was announced. The focus was not really in the cast and they lost hardcore fans anyway when the game was shown to be 3-D. So, why is everyone acting as if the biggest concern was whether the game has the all of the original cast or not? Capcom choose the greater of two evils and yet they still have to play it safe?

Originally posted by Classic NES
Even though that's been the way SF sequels have always been? Compare SFI to SFII then to SFIII, just look at the cast? Usually, the entire cast get's scrapped minus Ken and Ryu. That's Street Fighter Tradition, not this so called sequel following an Alpha formula. Like I said, it's just to pander to SFII fans because that's the more popular SF formula.

I never said get rid of Ryu and Ken since they've been in every SF. But, the entire SFII cast is not necessary to play a new SF. Look how many games had the SFII, cast. I expected returning characters, but not the original eight with the same normals and supers.

Doesn't suck enough for me to not play a new game. If I don't like it, then I should play the other 432542345465 games with the SFII cast. :

That's not an excuse since that's what all games "try" to do. Notice I use the word try, because a real game franchise leaves options for both. Seriously, why should new players play this game when they can just play SFII or Alpha series? Because this game is in 3-D and looks nice?

It's lazy, how are they gonna make people wait a decade for a new Street Fighter just to make a lazy 3-D remake of SFII?

No, Street Fighter did as good as part II. Because later SF came out at a time when 2-D was dying and that's because Capcom waited to long to make sequel. SFII pretty much revived arcades and set the standard for 2-d fighters, kinda hard to top something that had such great timing and innovation for it's time.

10 years and constant c*ck teasing for a test, that's lame as hell.

They still a helluva lot better than SFII.

It's because of the notoriety of the franchise, are you telling me that if they only had 5 out of the original 12 cast people would not still be hyped about a new SF?

So, if that's the case why isn't SFII 2-d?

I see what’s wrong here, you got different standards, expectations, and opinions than I do. You want SF to come wit something totally new and fresh. I want freshness too, but I also realize that there hasn’t been a new SF since 99. I don’t expect this game to be “super new and awesome”. Frankly, imo, Capcom has lost their touch when it comes to fighters. You think they got the talent to come with another hit and yeah they do, just not wit SF. SF isn’t Capcom’s main priority anymore.

You don’t think it’s great that the entire II cast is returnin, I do, I liked them and I see nothin wrong wit it. I can agree that callin this game SFIV is bull, but honestly, I don’t want that much.

Don’t really care how the graphics look or the style, as long as it’s decent. As long as the characters I like are in it, as long as they play how and look how I’m used to’em and don’t have some new outrageous moves that don’t really fit’em or pick up the remote and the operation for a Hadouken is totally different than the way it’s always been…it’s good.
Make some new graphics, throw in some new characters, have different endings, and have it play excruciatinly similar to the way I’m used to and…I’m down.

As simple as that…for me.

Originally posted by Classic NES
Exactly, which is why I call B.S. on Capcom fans theory about SFIV being a test. I bought into that B.S. as well before, but it doesn't make sense because if Capcom was so concerned for how hardcore SF fans wanted this game to be. They wouldn't have bothered to make the game 3-D. Obviously the whole reason why the game was made 3-D was because they wanted to try something new and it was the biggest concern when the game was announced. The focus was not really in the cast and they lost hardcore fans anyway when the game was shown to be 3-D. So, why is everyone acting as if the biggest concern was whether the game has the all of the original cast or not? Capcom choose the greater of two evils and yet they still have to play it safe?

And as far as Capcom bein lazy, maybe wit the fighters, yeah. But as whole, hell no. Have you played RE 4, Dead Rising, Lost Planet or DMC4? Ya’ll fail to realize that FGs aint Capcom’s specialty and that their talent is directed in more lucrative places and other game genres. I know that when I think about Capcom, SF isn’t the 1st thing that comes to mind. Just cuz they don’t spend all their time and money on somethin like nearly 20 year old fightin games don’t make’em totally lazy. From most of the other games I played that were made by that company, they’re far from lazy. They just don’t give 2 squirts about their fighters.

Originally posted by Jin Saotome
I see what’s wrong here, you got different standards, expectations, and opinions than I do. You want SF to come wit something totally new and fresh. I want freshness too, but I also realize that there hasn’t been a new SF since 99.

And, that's the problem, because Capcom is the sort of company that should be able to do something fresh and new. Especialy, after all these years. The fact they are not is what urks about this game. Also, the way the game was originally presented is drastically different from the the way it actually looks.

YouTube video

YouTube video

When I saw the trailer with all those pain brush effects and that Sumi-e theme. I was hype because that's what I thought Street Fighter IV would actually look like and the whole trailer analysis that was made on game trailers about how the trailer had hints about what direction the game was going. The game is not on par with what I expected.

Originally posted by Jin Saotome

I don’t expect this game to be “super new and awesome”. Frankly, imo, Capcom has lost their touch when it comes to fighters. You think they got the talent to come with another hit and yeah they do, just not wit SF. SF isn’t Capcom’s main priority anymore.

I'm aware of that and I didn't expect this game to good [which I'm realizing more and more]. But, the trailer led me on, but yeah I shouldn't have never gotten my hopes.

Originally posted by Jin Saotome

You don’t think it’s great that the entire II cast is returnin, I do, I liked them and I see nothin wrong wit it.

Can't say they are returnin' since they are in almost everything Street Fighter related. How many times have we've seen the SFII cast, mane?

Alpha series
Marvel Vs Series
Capcom Vs Snk
Snk Vs Capcom
Street Fighter EX
plus all the SFII remakes

They are an over exposed bunch, and I cannot really miss them if they never really leave. There's no really conscious decision in the casting for SFIV, basically whoever was in SFII is in. It's just a copy N' paste of SFII, So, what was the point of keeping the rooster a secret Capcom?

Originally posted by Jin Saotome

Don’t really care how the graphics look or the style, as long as it’s decent. As long as the characters I like are in it, as long as they play how and look how I’m used to’em and don’t have some new outrageous moves that don’t really fit’em or pick up the remote and the operation for a Hadouken is totally different than the way it’s always been…it’s good.
Make some new graphics, throw in some new characters, have different endings, and have it play excruciatinly similar to the way I’m used to and…I’m down.

Not me, if they are keeping everything the same and just add some new characters then I shouldn't bother. I can just play Super Turbo or Hyper fighting and be content. Hell, I'll play SFII: HD since that looks pretty cool and it's part of down loadable content rather than being sold off as a new game. I'm not the type of guy who really plays new games unless they are new. Because if stuff's the same why should I get it, because it looks fresh? I'm content in playing my old games. So, there's no real reason for me to get this.

Originally posted by Jin Saotome

I beg to differ, Capcom wants old fans back, but just old fans alone aint gonna make this game sell. “NO 2D FIGHTERS” in the last few years have really done exceptionally well. Come on now, SFIV is gonna be on the 360 or the PS3…To make the game 2D would be an absolute joke. 2D has been around since the beginin of games…it’s time for an upgrade, yo.

So, if they can update the biggest issue concerning SF I.E. 2-D Vs 3-D. They cannot update the cast and bring some fresh idea's? You said they didn't wanna change stuff too much because they wanted to attract the old fans, but the biggest issue with the old fans was whether it was 2-D or 3-D. Not the cast of SFII coming back again. It makes no sense to say: " They wanna attract older fans with the cast" when older fans for the most part wanted a 2-D fighter. And, if they do accept SF as 3-D, why would they not accept a new formula?

Originally posted by Jin Saotome

And as far as Capcom bein lazy, maybe wit the fighters, yeah. But as whole, hell no. Have you played RE 4, Dead Rising, Lost Planet or DMC4? Ya’ll fail to realize that FGs aint Capcom’s specialty and that their talent is directed in more lucrative places and other game genres. I know that when I think about Capcom, SF isn’t the 1st thing that comes to mind. Just cuz they don’t spend all their time and money on somethin like nearly 20 year old fightin games don’t make’em totally lazy. From most of the other games I played that were made by that company, they’re far from lazy. They just don’t give 2 squirts about their fighters.

Nah, they are lazy when it comes to fan service. Of course they can make great games, I never argued that, but they can also make very very bad ones. It's not Capcom that makes the games but designers like: Shinji Mikima, Keiji Inafune, and such.

Capcom is like Columbia records, they've had some of the best artist on their labels. But, they don't hold on to them. Basically, great people, but bad descions at times. As for the games:

DMC3>DMC4
Lost Planet was 'iight
RE4 was good because capcom tried something new! So, what does that tell ya?
Dead Rising was good

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Yeah when I saw the trailer I was like "oh wow... they really are doing something nice this time"

...and then came the screenshots / vids..

/sigh

maybe someday....someday..

Remember, Capcom is currently tweaking the game. And it seems that it is starting to look more like a croos between cel shaded and the trailer.
Check it out

For comparison's sake, the older and newer Graphics are here
http://capcom.com/BBS/showthread.php?t=26956
Page 2 shows the most differences

Originally posted by Classic NES
And, that's the problem, because Capcom is the sort of company that should be able to do something fresh and new. Especialy, after all these years. The fact they are not is what urks about this game. Also, the way the game was originally presented is drastically different from the the way it actually looks.

YouTube video

YouTube video

When I saw the trailer with all those pain brush effects and that Sumi-e theme. I was hype because that's what I thought Street Fighter IV would actually look like and the whole trailer analysis that was made on game trailers about how the trailer had hints about what direction the game was going. The game is not on par with what I expected.

Originally posted by Classic NES
I'm aware of that and I didn't expect this game to good [which I'm realizing more and more]. But, the trailer led me on, but yeah I shouldn't have never gotten my hopes.

Originally posted by Classic NES
Can't say they are returnin' since they are in almost everything Street Fighter related. How many times have we've seen the SFII cast, mane?

Alpha series
Marvel Vs Series
Capcom Vs Snk
Snk Vs Capcom
Street Fighter EX
plus all the SFII remakes

They are an over exposed bunch, and I cannot really miss them if they never really leave. There's no really conscious decision in the casting for SFIV, basically whoever was in SFII is in. It's just a copy N' paste of SFII, So, what was the point of keeping the rooster a secret Capcom?

Originally posted by Classic NES
Not me, if they are keeping everything the same and just add some new characters then I shouldn't bother. I can just play Super Turbo or Hyper fighting and be content. Hell, I'll play SFII: HD since that looks pretty cool and it's part of down loadable content rather than being sold off as a new game. I'm not the type of guy who really plays new games unless they are new. Because if stuff's the same why should I get it, because it looks fresh? I'm content in playing my old games. So, there's no real reason for me to get this.

Originally posted by Classic NES
So, if they can update the biggest issue concerning SF I.E. 2-D Vs 3-D. They cannot update the cast and bring some fresh idea's?

Originally posted by Classic NES
You said they didn't wanna change stuff too much because they wanted to attract the old fans, but the biggest issue with the old fans was whether it was 2-D or 3-D. Not the cast of SFII coming back again. It makes no sense to say: " They wanna attract older fans with the cast" when older fans for the most part wanted a 2-D fighter. And, if they do accept SF as 3-D, why would they not accept a new formula?

Originally posted by Classic NES
Nah, they are lazy when it comes to fan service. Of course they can make great games, I never argued that, but they can also make very very bad ones. It's not Capcom that makes the games but designers like: Shinji Mikima, Keiji Inafune, and such.

Capcom is like Columbia records, they've had some of the best artist on their labels. But, they don't hold on to them. Basically, great people, but bad descions at times.

Originally posted by Classic NES
As for the games:
DMC3>DMC4

Originally posted by Classic NES
Lost Planet was 'iight

Originally posted by Classic NES
RE4 was good because capcom tried something new! So, what does that tell ya?

Originally posted by Classic NES
RE4 was good because capcom tried something new! So, what does that tell ya?
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They should reveal Gouki as Ryu's father.

Seriously. That would be awesome.

Originally posted by Jin Saotome
Lol, y’all cats is crazy. Am I like the only one who knew that the game wasn’t gonna look like the trailer? Seriously, it would take way too much time to try and make that game look like the trailer “all the time”. Imo, the graphics still look pretty good to me, not cutting edge, but cool, I dig it.

Originally posted by Jin Saotome

That’s what I’ve been sayin, when it comes to FGs, don’t expect much from Capcom...anymore

Originally posted by Jin Saotome

Notice how all those games were made nearly 10 years ago, and the last 3 SFs didn’t even have’em in there. I wanna see a knew game wit them in it.

Originally posted by Jin Saotome

I’m gettin it…eventually.

I hope you enjoy it. 🙂

Originally posted by Jin Saotome

It looks good, it’s an advance in the SFII story, a game that had almost no story

Street fighter II had some of the best writing in Street Fighter before Alpha 3 retonned it. Considering that their last "advancement" was Alpha 3, I wouldn't put much faith in their new idea's IMO.

Originally posted by Jin Saotome

and I’m pretty sure there is gonna be more to this game, it isn’t even done yet. There will prolly be more new characters, and stages and stuff. I know that if I can keep buyin Guilty Gears, games wit almost “NO CHANGES” at all, that I can dish out some cash for my favorite FG series.

Well, I don't play Guilty Gear anymore. So, I cannot relate to that at all. I'm sure there will be more new content, but the ones I've seen aren't enough to peak my interest. Which is why I'm for the most part apathic to any new developments: Like the revealing of El Fuerte.

Originally posted by Jin Saotome

There are new characters, hell, Tekken 5 only had 3 new guys and peeps tweaked about that. Soul Calibur only had 3 new guys and peeps was cool wit that. If they can get away wit it, I know SF can. And as far as new ideas go, I won’t talk about that due to the fact the game aint finished.

This is Street Fighter, not Tekken or Soul Calibur. They've followed the formula of removing the majority of the cast in all their sequels. I don't expect less because that's what has been established. Besides, Tekken in terms of plot died at Tekken 3. So, new cast doesn't matter same with Soul Calibur IV. I'm not a hardcore fan of those two games, So, I don't have the same standards. The fans who feel the same as me will tell you.

Originally posted by Jin Saotome

I really don’t think that the graphical style was more important to the fans than the cast. “Real” SF are not gonna turn away from this game just cuz it’s 3D, especially when they already said that the fightin style would be strictly 2D. The same it’s always been and imo, the best game to ever do this was Rival Schools, and whatya know, that was made by Capcom.

Considering that's what happened when Street Fighter EX came out and this was the major debate at Shoryuken, Snk-Capcom, Gamefaqs, ETC. I don't see how you can say that. People complain about the cast was miniscul as oppose to 2-D vs. 3-D.

Originally posted by Jin Saotome

Okay, I get what you sayin, but the likes of Shinji Mikima, Keiji Inafune have made some really good games/characters. I just don’t see’em as totally lazy cuz they, a lot of time, do put a lot into the what they make. I look at the Capcom cast in MVC2 and I think to my self, “man those are some cool ****in dudes and I loved that game he/she was in and remember how fun it was.”

But, that's what I'm getting at. The people who work or I should say worked for Capcom at the time made those games butta. Look what happened when they left. Capcom fighting games are virtually non existent. I doubt that is a coincidence.

Originally posted by Jin Saotome

In some ways but DMC4 was still hot, pretty good damn job, imo.
You crazy, I think that’s the shit and I don’t even own it.

I'm not crazy, I've just played enough games to know when people could do better. DMC 3 is way better than DMC 4, straight up.

Originally posted by Jin Saotome

It goes back to what I said, Capcom doesn’t care about SF…as much, they can work wonders wit there other titles, just not SF. They aint afraid to try new shit wit to things other than SF.

Well, when they do, then put out SFIV and Not Ultra Street Fighter II.

Originally posted by Classic NES
I wasn't keeping count on how long since they've last appeared. I was keeping tabs on the sheer amount of games they've been in. I can't miss a group if they are in almost every game and SVC: Chaos didn't come out anywhere near 10 years.

Originally posted by Classic NES
I hope you enjoy it. 🙂

Originally posted by Classic NES
Street fighter II had some of the best writing in Street Fighter before Alpha 3 retonned it. Considering that their last "advancement" was Alpha 3, I wouldn't put much faith in their new idea's IMO.

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Originally posted by Classic NES
I'm sure there will be more new content, but the ones I've seen aren't enough to peak my interest.

Originally posted by Classic NES
Which is why I'm for the most part apathic to any new developments: Like the revealing of El Fuerte.

Originally posted by Classic NES
This is Street Fighter, not Tekken or Soul Calibur. They've followed the formula of removing the majority of the cast in all their sequels. I don't expect less because that's what has been established.

Originally posted by Classic NES
Besides, Tekken in terms of plot died at Tekken 3. So, new cast doesn't matter same with Soul Calibur IV. I'm not a hardcore fan of those two games, So, I don't have the same standards.

Originally posted by Classic NES
Considering that's what happened when Street Fighter EX came out and this was the major debate at Shoryuken, Snk-Capcom, Gamefaqs, ETC. I don't see how you can say that. People complain about the cast was miniscul as oppose to 2-D vs. 3-D.

Originally posted by Classic NES
But, that's what I'm getting at. The people who work or I should say worked for Capcom at the time made those games butta. Look what happened when they left. Capcom fighting games are virtually non existent. I doubt that is a coincidence.

Originally posted by Classic NES
I'm not crazy, I've just played enough games to know when people could do better. DMC 3 is way better than DMC 4, straight up.

Originally posted by Project Jedah
Well, I aint got no game systems at my crib so it’s been a while since I played wit any of the SFs. And SVC is straight grade a BS, the characters weren’t even them selves in that game.

Well, I was talking abut games in general. I don't have any games at my crib either, though.

Originally posted by Project Jedah

Yeah right, they don’t tell you who won the tourney, they don’t tell you who fought who in the tourney, and they don’t even say who fought Akuma when he jumped in and wasted Bison.

That's only in Super Turbo, originally Ryu won the tourney. What I said still stands, Alpha 3 is terrible plot-wise. The game turned bison into a pedophile who goes around the globe kidnapping young girls?!

Originally posted by Project Jedah

. You just gotta wait man, the game aint done yet. I actually think homie looks pretty cool.

It looks okay, but it's not enough for me to decide to purchase.

Originally posted by Project Jedah

It’s been nearly a decade, peeps in Capcom have come and gone, do you really expect’em to follow that same old formula after all these years of not workin on SF. When they were erasin entire casts, SF was comin out like er year. I don’t blame them for now wantin to stick wit the same formula after so many years.

I never expected this game to follow the formula that made Street Fighter good. Rather, I'd hope that they did, but they did not. My point is, I'm okay with playing older fighting games [especially with the trash out now in the 2-D market place]. So, there's really no reason to get this if they are going in an unfavorable position. I don't wanna Street Fighter IV so badly that I'm willing to play anything that Capcom put's out.

Originally posted by Project Jedah

Don’t sound that way, yo.

Well, if your into the whole Jin devil gene garbage that Tekken put's out. More power to you, but I cannot stand that crap personally.

Originally posted by Project Jedah

What I’m sayin is, SF fans aint gonna pass this game by cuz it’s 2D or not. Some may not like the style or the look ( I do) but the graphics overall are still good.

The Style isn't the problem, that's roughly what I expected. The problem is that the models in-game animate very awkwardly to me. Also, it's not as artsy as other SF games, especially when the trailer made it seem that it would be.

Originally posted by Project Jedah

True, but I don’t think Capcom wants to be a FG giant, just take a look at all the companies are.

Considering how Ono and Capcom USA have been stating that they want a revival of SFII fever. . .I'd have to disagree.

Originally posted by Project Jedah

Honestly, DMC 4 was better than 3. It was just like DMC 3, but wit new characters and moves, new story, and better graphics.

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DMC4 is inferior to DMC3, Nero was the only saving grace of that game.

Overall the game was mediocre compared to 3.

Originally posted by Classic NES
Well, I was talking abut games in general. I don't have any games at my crib either, though.

Originally posted by Classic NES
That's only in Super Turbo, originally Ryu won the tourney. What I said still stands, Alpha 3 is terrible plot-wise. The game turned bison into a pedophile who goes around the globe kidnapping young girls?!

Originally posted by Classic NES
It looks okay, but it's not enough for me to decide to purchase.

Originally posted by Classic NES
I never expected this game to follow the formula that made Street Fighter good. Rather, I'd hope that they did, but they did not. My point is, I'm okay with playing older fighting games [especially with the trash out now in the 2-D market place]. So, there's really no reason to get this if they are going in an unfavorable position. I don't wanna Street Fighter IV so badly that I'm willing to play anything that Capcom put's out.

Originally posted by Classic NES
Well, if your into the whole Jin devil gene garbage that Tekken put's out. More power to you, but I cannot stand that crap personally.

Originally posted by Classic NES
The Style isn't the problem, that's roughly what I expected. The problem is that the models in-game animate very awkwardly to me. Also, it's not as artsy as other SF games, especially when the trailer made it seem that it would be.

Originally posted by Classic NES
Considering how Ono and Capcom USA have been stating that they want a revival of SFII fever. . .I'd have to disagree.

Originally posted by Classic NES
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DMC4 is inferior to DMC3, Nero was the only saving grace of that game.

Overall the game was mediocre compared to 3.

Originally posted by Project Jedah
So it's easy to understand why I would want'em in a new game.

Originally posted by Project Jedah

At least SFA3 had a plot wit detail, you know who fought who and who won.

The Majority of Street Fighter Alpha 3 plot borrowed idea's from the the Street Fighter animated movie which in turn borrowed from Street Fighter II. The plot lacked detail, many characters plot-wise were written out or had inconlusive plots: Gen, Gouki, Adon, Birdie, etc. Sure there were detailed fights, but it didn't really mean as much as say Alpha 2 since all of them randomly revolved around Bison. It's like the writers ra of material and stuck Bison as the antagonist of every character. The good plot points like: Nash and Roses death were planned since Alpha 2. Also, the game retconned Street Fighter II plot. Alpha 3 was not written with Street fighter II in mind. The only things I liked about Alpha 3 are : Cody, Karin, R. Mika and Blanka being playable.

Originally posted by Project Jedah

Well I would never buy a game just for the graphics anyway.

Me too

Originally posted by Project Jedah

I get what you sayin, but think about it, has there ever been a bad SF, all the Alphas were good, 1,2,3 were good. I just think that it's higly unlikely that this game will play very poorly. Maybe not super good but entertainin.

Super Street Fighter II: The New Challengers-Speed was toned down from Hyper Fighting, Stupid glitches [Zangiefs SPD reversal glitch] and Capcom pretty much admitting the game was rushed.

Street Fighter The Movie game- No explanation needed

Street Fighter Alpha 3- Not really terrible, but the game has balance issues.

Originally posted by Project Jedah

It looks right to me but I think that the game will seem better when it's finally done and ready to sale.

Maybe, but I doubt it will be what I expected after all those years of Street fighter being on hiatus.

Originally posted by Project Jedah

I think they are proud of SF, it is like the most succsessful fightin franchise ever and I really don't think they see it as a fightin game, but another one of their sucsessful seriess that they can make money off of.

Exactly.

Originally posted by Project Jedah

I think you are wrong, er thing DMC3 did, 4 does better.

I disagree, DMC4 was half the game DMC3 was with a new playable character.

-The Difficulty was toned down, though the enemies aren't punching bags like in 3.

-Less Devil arms and the ones they do have are rrehashes or plain suck [Lucifer and Gilgamesh]. Pandora's box is like the only one that's worth it.

-Dante sucked, since Capcom simply Copy & Pasted Vergils moves onto Dante and gave him a slight new abilities.

-Lame toggle system for weapons [ You have to go through all your weapons as opposed to customisizing your weapon inventory and toggling between the two.]

Etc.

So will this be on PS3?

Yep.