Originally posted by Sado22That's a statement, worthy of a loser. I was actually one of the guys who said I was gonna give it a chance before I raged on it, unlike you, I aint a hater. I said I didn't like the roster, that's it, then some fanboi felt the need to respond to why "I" as in "ME" didn't like the roster. Never said the game sucked.you were cribbin about KoFXII in KoFXII thread weren't you? 😬
hypocrite.
I even said I reserved the game and I said the roster was passable cuz it had Kyo in it. I'm not you, don't get me twisted.
That's a statement, worthy of a loser. I was actually one of the guys who said I was gonna give it a chance before I raged on it, unlike you, I aint a hater. I said I didn't like the roster, that's it, then some fanboi felt the need to respond to why "I" as in "ME" didn't like the roster. Never said the game sucked. I even said I reserved the game and I said the roster was passable cuz it had Kyo in it. I'm not you, don't get me twisted.
~Sado
Originally posted by Sado22
then you need to double check your words because iirc there are no tournaments for tekken, as you or trickster said
www.tekkenzaibatsu.com
http://www.tekkenzaibatsu.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?forumid=16
IIRC, you don't play tournies, thus you wouldn't know there was still tournaments held for them
Originally posted by Sado22
and your "w(h)inning post" proves squat because again all you're doing is pointing out that people took chunli and won in tournies. who were the other three? so tell me, what about any tournies taking place for SF4 or SF2? what was the character select ratio in that? till you prove that in all other incarnations of SF all characters were being taken equally you can wankoff to the sound of your voice some where else
Are you serious here? Have you been keeping up with SBO and even the Japanese players in 3S? Chunli is the single most dominant character within that game of SFIII:3S. The other characters besides Chunli who will show up in the Top-8 is Yun, and to a lesser extent, Ken.
Look at the 3S Tier List here compiled from the Best 3S players from Japan, and see Chunli at #1
http://wikiwiki.jp/3rd/?%A5%C0%A5%A4%A5%E4%A5%B0%A5%E9%A5%E0
There is no lies here, go and dig up the Evolution Tournament Results for the past 4 straight years, and see how much she's dominating. Look at SBO where the best 3S Players in the world play although it's 3 vs 3, every winning team in recent time has had Chunli in there.
SF:II is hard to get access too, because not a whole lot of people play the older versions anymore, however HD:Remix has had competition for it, and the game is far more balanced then original ST was, however I haven't kept up with it's tournament results, however www.shoryuken.com can provide you with that anyhow.
As for SF:IV....go click on this link...scroll down and read the tournament results from All Over The World...Here...
http://curryallergy.blogspot.com/
You'll notice a huge flop of who gets first place finishes (many of them not even Sagat taking 1st, and he's the best overall character in that entire game).
Also, no fighting game can be truly balanced where every single character can win 1st place tournies, Hyper Fighting and VF:4 Evo are the two most balanced fighting games arguably ever, yet the low tier characters will almost never win a tournament. However, the most important aspect is that a good viability of the cast is playable.
Again, that Blog is showing characters winning in the Top-3 finishes, ranging from Ryu, Sagat, Chunli, Rufus, Blanka, Viper, Dictator, Ken, Abel, Gouki, E. Honda, Zangief, Dhalsim, Fuerte, etc, etc....wow...more then half the cast has shown up in the Top-3 finishes at the arcade tournament level.
So please, quit the garbage here, we know you don't play nor keep up with the game SF:IV anyhow.
Originally posted by Sado22
...because you suck? 😐
If I suck? Why can't you opt to play me online then? Rofl.
Originally posted by Sado22
claiming joudan kick being useless again
Nobody uses the Joudan Kick the way you stated it with the above quote? Your a terrible Ryu player then, so please, stop spewing out your garbage of obviously what not to do with Ryu.
Firstly Joudan Kick is great for big misses whiffed attacks, and is usually used during a guaranteed combo setup, you know, a string combo that leads to a Ex-Joudan Kick. That's why it's useful and effective, nobody here, throws this thing out of nowhere, of course it'll be easily parried, obviously your not a Ryu player, so don't act like you know how to play Ryu in 3S.
Originally posted by Sado22
so now its also bad if i wish to defeat honda, zangief etc with just regular punches and kicks and shoryukens you have a problem? 😂
Stop tellig ppl how to think man. just cuz you're a susceptible **** who takes all his opinions from "proleaguers" and regurgitates them at threads doesn't mean we have to lsten to you and play as you deem correct. just shut up.
Hahaha, you serious here, so instead of playing a strategically sound game, and using your characters tools to your benefits. You'd rather just throw tons of Parry Options Selects, rely only upon high/low mixups, whiffed attacks into throws for your overall strategy. Because your fearful of using your best tactics due to the fact that they can be parried, which again sets you into a guessing game.
Nobody who plays 3S legitimately
Originally posted by Sado22
again, i don't care how YOU use these moves and characters. you're the scrub who doesn't even know how to use 50+ moves at his disposal. stop going around forcing ppl to see things the way you do.
clearly, you need to shut the phuck up.
not to mention that i was giving an example.
How is it forcing if it's true? You do know that I MAIN Jin and Devil Jin when I used to play Tournies right? The majority of that move list is useless, which is to refute your baseless claim that "more moves is better".
Yes, I "must" be a scrub for not using 50+ of the movelist, but I guess that means ALL Top Jin/Devil Jin players must be scrubs as well, because they don't use 50+ of Jin/DJ's moves as well. Please, stop this now, I pointed this out to show you that having more moves doesn't give better variety to the game of Tekken, which is shown.
Originally posted by Sado22
okay. i still don't care what they say becuse i found parry system fun. what part of that isn't getting through, kojima?
Now "if" you found it Fun, then you should have stated that at the very beginning. However, you claimed that 3S was a "better" game then SF:IV and that it took a step forward in the evolutionary process, which is a completely different notion then a comment saying "I just found it Fun."
With the other statement however, you are saying that SF3 was an overall better made fighting game, which in fact, it did the exact opposite of that fact in contrast to the other SF games. However, I'm used to you saying one thing, and then changing yourself to try and cover up the holes you dig for yourself.
Again, when praise the Parry System for it "improving" the gameplay, I showed you why it made it worse, and now you change your mind and say it's just "fun"...seriously, Wow, that's about all there is to it right there.
Originally posted by Sado22
like your "proof" that ryu owns jin right? 😆
Ryu>Jin
DJ>Ryu (Most likely)
like your "proof" that Jin beat Hwoa in T3 right? 😆
Honestly, get this stuff out of here, considering this isn't a VS thread.
Originally posted by Sado22
~something about calling me out for my lack of grammar, or what not
I'm fed up with this, so I'm going to say that this is the last time I'll take this from you Sado. I've quoted every single time you cussed, and spewed at me directly (not even involving the fighting game but directly at me), and if you do so again, I will send them all to the mods, considering you've already been warned before already.
Instead of actually debating about the Fighting Games at hand, all you do is take this personally, thus proceed to directly assault, cuss, and flame the one who obviously knows more then you do about these fighting games, because since you have no real background into how these fighting games play like, you resort to do this, which is shown throughout ALL of your post.
However, you can't keep anything clean on these boards against anyone you debate (if you even call it a debate here actually). The fact is, you don't even own nor have access or play the game of Street Fighter IV. Yet you talk and throw nonsense and boast the claim that you know what your talking about. Just curious as to how someone can talk so much about a fighting game that they themselves don't even own must make a whole lot of sense here.
If you don't like the game of Street Fighter IV, then don't come into this thread, because it's obvious you don't care about the game of SF:IV because it's "move-list" isn't long enough, the cosmetics aren't to your "demands" or what not. We know you hate this game, so move on, and let the rest of us continue talking in a more informative manner. If you don't care to improve your game in SF:IV anymore, however step aside, because there's plenty of people here who still do.
I've had it up to here with you, because you don't know anything about the fighting games you talk about, and have turned this into a flame post instead of if actually being about the gameplay of Street Fighter IV. The next time it's to the mods man, I'm sick of this direct troll flaming coming from you.
Anyhow, to get back to Street Fighter IV with people who actually care and want to improve their gameplay
Here's something that you peeps should watch:
Ryu (Momochi) vs Gouki (Inbe)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jP7smxGx_zw
This is some good stuff, and you should refer to my Valle (Ryu) vs Ed Ma (Gouki) video as well that I posted earlier as it shows great Ryu vs Gouki strategies.
One of the most important aspects is knowing how to get in on Gouki when he does his aerial fireball to sweep him. Because let's say "even" if you trade shots with him and get hit by the fireball. It's to Ryu's advantage, because Gouki will be knocked down from the sweep, and Ryu will have the positioning advantage in this scenario, giving him multiple options on what he can do.
Most Gouki players will never ever throw out their projectile high in this case, because it makes them extremely vulnerable, they'll usually throw in on their descent, which makes it more difficult to punish, however with Ryu, you will either go under it cleanly and get in the sweep, or most of the time at worse, as stated, a tradeoff.
This match up derives into a few key things, who can outzone and out footsie the other character the most will be the victor. Gouki's BnB's hurt so much, that it makes him a real threat even without having meter, however with the meter there, you have to start worrying about the threat of SGS.
Trust me when I say this..good Gouki players know how to land SGS, and will catch you off of the worse times. From my own experiences, obviously off of whiffed Shoryuken if do, do that, which although rare, does indeed happen. Worse cases are when I whiff with c.mk or my sweeps when I'm trying to footsie, these are huge mistakes that can lead to you losing a boatload of damage if your not careful with a fully metered Gouki.
Personally I still Ryu just slightly, simply because he's got the better payoff with the Ultra which can shift the tide more often then not into his favor over Gouki.
Later I'll compile a Ryu vs match up post 💃
I like it the best when Momochi plays as Akuma, but he's also awesome as Ryu apparently.
From what I've seen from watching these pro videos is that Akuma's ultra/super is diabolically hard to land as opposed to Ryu's, for example. That really sucks because Akuma's ultra does insane damage.
EDIT: Now this is a really awesome match:
IIRC, you don't play tournies, thus you wouldn't know there was still tournaments held for them
Chunli is the single most dominant character within that game of SFIII:3S. The other characters besides Chunli who will show up in the Top-8 is Yun, and to a lesser extent, Ken.
blah blah blah blah blah blah blah...Also, no fighting game can be truly balanced where every single character can win 1st place tournies
So please, quit the garbage here, we know you don't play nor keep up with the game SF:IV anyhow
If I suck?
Why can't you opt to play me online then?
Firstly Joudan Kick is great for big misses whiffed attacks, and is usually used during a guaranteed combo setup, you know, a string combo that leads to a Ex-Joudan Kick. That's why it's useful and effective, nobody here, throws this thing out of nowhere, of course it'll be easily parried, obviously your not a Ryu player, so don't act like you know how to play Ryu in 3S.
blah blah blah blah blah blah blah....you'd rather just throw tons of Parry Options Selects, rely only upon high/low mixups, whiffed attacks into throws for your overall strategy...blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
How is it forcing if it's true?
You do know that I MAIN Jin and Devil Jin when I used to play Tournies right?
The majority of that move list is useless, which is to refute your baseless claim that "more moves is better".
i tell you that i use these moves which some dumbass thinks are useless and use them well in fights (i practically reached TekkenLord status in less than 2 hours with DJ...and that too while doing things in the middle like MSN and facebook). 3ring circus is a cool move and since it has a lower attack option as well you can really keep your opponent on his toes, ultimate tackle is amazing if used in a mixup along with the element of surprise (of course someone still hasn't developed enough gray matter to figure this out yet), the low beam is fail? 😂 stfu you git, the low beam makes a good lower hit and does decent amount of damage and is good with combos, all his jab+followups are a mother especially since they give you a mixup option, his counter throws are great and not everyone can pull off a "chicken" easily especially in a tense, even, high intensity match up, his EGWF is beastly, his back+2+4+4+4+f+4+f+2 is again very good for a spam combo and almost always gaurantees a hit, his demon hoof and the lower attack version can keep the opponent guessing and are fast enough too, his demon cyclone attack also has mid and low attack version and can be delayed enough (prolly didn't know that did you?) if you get the timing right so at the last second you can do a low kick/high kick before your opponent knows wtf, corpse thrust and demon paw are amazing for mid to short range fighting, twin pistons is a big win etc etc etc
just kill the noise man. you're hurting my ears with your shrill tremulous emo fanboy crap.
Again, when praise the Parry System for it "improving" the gameplay, I showed you why it made it worse, and now you change your mind and say it's just "fun"...seriously, Wow, that's about all there is to it right there.
Ryu>Jin[
DJ>Ryu (Most likely)/quote]
going by feats, Jin>>>Ryu
going by feats, DJ>>>>>>Ryu
the whole basis of this pathetic little argument on your part was that ryu put up a fight with gouki in the SF4 thing and therefor ryu is much more stronger than we originally thought...all the while failing to realize:
1.) gouki was normal gouki and not shin gouki and hence holding back i.e. not at full power
2.) it was mega PIS and hogan routine on ryu's part to be laid out one second and then to get up and fight like nothing happened (just like he did with Seth). we call it PIS here.
3.) it was still not a feat, considering that he didn't show a single thing that proved that he's stronger than anything Jin has done.but for once you're right: lets keep this in the VG thread (where you tend to fail horribly, then flame and then run away for months). if you want we can settle it there.
[quote]like your "proof" that Jin beat Hwoa in T3 right?
I've quoted every single time you cussed, and spewed at me directly (not even involving the fighting game but directly at me), and if you do so again, I will send them all to the mods, considering you've already been warned before already.
~Sado.