Superman vs Silver surfer

Originally posted by h1a8
Surfer doesn't have nanosecond level reaction. For that scan had him speak whole sentences to himself before he broke out. Second, it is silly to even say nanosecond reaction time. For reaction time is the time it takes for one to respond to something the moment it started to exist. Surfer was already in that device awhile and trying to get out. So there is no nanosecond reaction here. Also, Surfer won't be phasing if Supes gets in the first hit right away.

Like I said:

http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/3690/silversurfer19880090910wh9.jpg

Those scans CLEARLY show reaction times on the order of fractions of a second. the second scan even SPECIFICALLY says he's reacting and out of the shackles in LESS than a nanosecond.

Superman is NOT blitzing the surfer. PERIOD.

Originally posted by h1a8
Surfer doesn't have nanosecond level reaction. For that scan had him speak whole sentences to himself before he broke out. Second, it is silly to even say nanosecond reaction time. For reaction time is the time it takes for one to respond to something the moment it started to exist. Surfer was already in that device awhile and trying to get out. So there is no nanosecond reaction here. Also, Surfer won't be phasing if Supes gets in the first hit right away.

Originally posted by Space M ummy
Like I said:

http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/3690/silversurfer19880090910wh9.jpg

Those scans CLEARLY show reaction times on the order of fractions of a second. the second scan even SPECIFICALLY says he's reacting and out of the shackles in LESS than a nanosecond.

Superman is NOT blitzing the surfer. PERIOD.

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
Matching thanos is impressive...but then I remember supes heat vision can seal half or more of a universe

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
I really dont remember a wacther ever getting taken down so please post a scan of that,

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
Im still not seeing korvac throwing out pc supes level attacks,

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
he wasnt really matching aegis and tenebrous more like blasting them to no effect and yes I can invalidate that feat because he only won because a huge outer energy source that he wouldnt have in this fight,

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
surfer doesnt waltz around at uni-lord level far from it actually.

Surfer wins this slightly due to versality. Not power. Superman is at least as powerful if not more so. Power doesn't always equate win. Ask Thanos and Drax.

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
And...
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/ss_enslavers_39.jpg

That one's even better, thanks. 🙂

The surfer is one of the few characters in comics that will pretty much never, ever go down to a speedblitz.

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
And pc supes crossed multiverses....

what does that have to do with anything? we were discussing pure reaction times. PC superman is not fast enough to speedblitz the surfer.

If you're going to do the "who crosses what" game, surfer has not only gone across the universe in seconds, but back, forth, and across time and into the microverse under his own power.

You're not going to prove anything that way. This is going to come down to versatility and power, and neither one has a clear upper hand. BOTH have a lot of versatile infrequently used powers that could throw a fight in any direction.

Surfer might have a slight advantage due to the whole "no exploitable weaknesses" thing though.

Originally posted by Space M ummy
That one's even better, thanks. 🙂

The surfer is one of the few characters in comics that will pretty much never, ever go down to a speedblitz.

Flash could take him down. Instantaneous travel. Flash can do what The runner needed the space gem to do. Of course this was an old depiction of flash, before he spent all that time in the SF getting more powerful.

Originally posted by Space M ummy
what does that have to do with anything? we were discussing pure reaction times. PC superman is not fast enough to speedblitz the surfer.

If you're going to do the "who crosses what" game, surfer has not only gone across the universe in seconds, but [b]back, forth, and across time and into the microverse under his own power.

You're not going to prove anything that way. [/B]

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
PC superboy and supergirl crossed Billions of universes playing tag. You fail.

Since Surfer has no one to play "tag" with, I don't see how this is relevant.

Are you familiar with what the microverse is? (or rather, what they ARE, since there were many of them before they were merged.) They're dimensions/universes only able to be entered by breaching submicroscopic nexuses at a certain vibrational frequency.

The surfer can breach and cross these at will- meaning many universes are open to him to travel to, IF he wishes to do so.

He also has some crazy time travel and manipulation feats- he's clearly capable of traveling to places and eras that PC superman is NOT, and vice versa. This is why the "crossing multiverses" comment is irrelevant.

And as for the flash, the flash is the (or one of the) reasons why I said the surfer would "pretty much" never ever be blitzed, since the flash's feats go beyond just "speed" into something different, and he can drain speed (though whether he can drain the surfer when quasar couldn't is up for debate.)

The runner also didn't have the space gem at that time, BTW. he just simply overpowered norrin with the power primordial.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Flash could take him down. Instantaneous travel. Flash can do what The runner needed the space gem to do. Of course this was an old depiction of flash, before he spent all that time in the SF getting more powerful.

Originally posted by Space M ummy
Since Surfer has no one to play "tag" with, I don't see how this is relevant.

Are you familiar with what the microverse is? (or rather, what they ARE, since there were many of them before they were merged.) They're dimensions/universes only able to be entered by breaching submicroscopic nexuses at a certain vibrational frequency.

The surfer can breach and cross these at will- meaning many universes are open to him to travel to, IF he wishes to do so.

He also has some crazy time travel and manipulation feats- he's clearly capable of traveling to places and eras that PC superman is NOT, and vice versa. This is why the "crossing multiverses" comment is irrelevant.

And as for the flash, the flash is the (or one of the) reasons why I said the surfer would "pretty much" never ever be blitzed, since the flash's feats go beyond just "speed" into something different, and he can drain speed (though whether he can drain the surfer when quasar couldn't is up for debate.)

The runner also didn't have the space gem at that time, BTW. he just simply overpowered norrin with the power primordial.

Nah, I was just saying that flash can instant travel, something the runner needed the space gem to do. I also think PC kryptonians are the fastest things we have ever seen. Just look at SBP. He'd beat Surfer like a red headed step child before Surfer ever got to lift a finger. Flash anc quasar's powers also work differently. I dont' see how you are comparing the two. 😕

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
Runner is at least stronger than Surfer... ermm

What does that have to do with anything? Superman is stronger than Zoom. Guess what? Zoom still hits harder.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Flash could take him down. Instantaneous travel. Flash can do what The runner needed the space gem to do. Of course this was an old depiction of flash, before he spent all that time in the SF getting more powerful.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Nah, I was just saying that flash can instant travel, something the runner needed the space gem to do. I also think PC kryptonians are the fastest things we have ever seen. Just look at SBP. He'd beat Surfer like a red headed step child before Surfer ever got to lift a finger. Flash anc quasar's powers also work differently. I dont' see how you are comparing the two. 😕

The runner has always been shown to have pretty much instantaneous travel, even BEFORE the infinity gems were entered into continuity. His power extends from the power primordial- he only had the gem for a brief period of time.

I disagree with the assertion that SBP would beat the surfer more than 5/10...at least not on the basis of pure speed. He's been hit and dodged by heroes going a HELL of a lot slower than Surfer. Connor Kent, for one, the GLC for...well, a lot more.

I'm comparing the two (quasar/flash) because if you're going to be stealing "speed" all you're really doing is siphoning the energy necessary for movement, correct? Surfer has massive, MASSIVE energy reserves. Quasar absorbed an amount of energy equivalent to the output of "a star" and surfer didn't even notice, much less slow down or weaken.

could flash drain enough energy from surfer to really make a difference? hard to say.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
What does that have to do with anything? Superman is stronger than Zoom. Guess what? Zoom still hits harder.

Runner is stronger than Surfer, and fights way faster... he's Flash-like speed.
Which means, he should hit harder than Flash (ignoring IMPs).

Originally posted by darthgoober
Did you miss the scans I posted of Surfer responding to an opponent WHILE they were teleporting or the scan of him arriving on location at the same time as Quasar and Bill when THEY teleported?

Yes, How far where they teleporting? That makes all the difference. It also makes a difference becuz his traveling speed is NOT his fighting speed, and everyone knows hyperspace FOLDS space anyway. It's damned near the same thing as teleporting.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Yes, How far where they teleporting? That makes all the difference. It also makes a difference becuz his traveling speed is NOT his fighting speed, and everyone knows hyperspace FOLDS space anyway. It's damned near the same thing as teleporting.

there are scans in this very thread showing movement and reaction speed on the order of microseconds and nanoseconds without going into hyperspace.

there's a few more in the respect thread of him conducting a thorough search of the planet and visiting every capital that exists in the world in seconds.

surfer's speed is not restricted to hyperspace.

ugh. it's 12:30 on the east coast and I've got to go. work in the AM. I'll pick this up in the afternoon if it's still going on.

Originally posted by Space M ummy
The runner has always been shown to have pretty much instantaneous travel, even BEFORE the infinity gems were entered into continuity. His power extends from the power primordial- he only had the gem for a brief period of time.

I disagree with the assertion that SBP would beat the surfer more than 5/10...at least not on the basis of pure speed. He's been hit and dodged by heroes going a HELL of a lot slower than Surfer. Connor Kent, for one, the GLC for...well, a lot more.

I'm comparing the two (quasar/flash) because if you're going to be stealing "speed" all you're really doing is siphoning the energy necessary for movement, correct? Surfer has massive, MASSIVE energy reserves. Quasar absorbed an amount of energy equivalent to the output of "a star" and surfer didn't even notice, much less slow down or weaken.

could flash drain enough energy from surfer to really make a difference? hard to say.

This is a forum. Take that into account when coming up with summations of fights and the like.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Yes, How far where they teleporting? That makes all the difference.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
It also makes a difference becuz his traveling speed is NOT his fighting speed, and everyone knows hyperspace FOLDS space anyway. It's damned near the same thing as teleporting.