Superman vs Silver surfer

Surfer vs Sundipped Superman is still Surfers fight to lose imo.

He's not gonna see a guy glowing/burning with all this clear to see Solar energy, and go in punching.

He'd drain him, claiming that while Superman may be powerful, his is the power cosmic, to which even a suns might must obey.

All Star Superman is a similar case, only he'd overload him and likely put him into a coma.

PC Superman is Superman all the way.

And is it me, or do the Superman supporters make it seem as if Surfer draining Superman of his powers is a bullshits and tricks way of winning a fight?

If he doesn't outpunch him, it's pussy right?

Wrong.

If Darkseid with a handwave turned Superman from top tier to human level, that'd be a clear addition to his respect thread.

Surfer does the same thing, and it gets the "only wins if he power drains!!" clause.

Fool, where i come from, that'd be called an owning.

Surfer....holding the power of life and death over Superman, in his hands....good stuff.

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
It's not a losing debate by any means. It's how you're doing it.

Also, Korvac... 😐

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
Where was is stated surfer is immune to heat

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
,and heres the scanhttp://img72.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pc1bc4.jpg ,

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
and im still not seeing how we cant use precrisis supes feat of crossing the multiverse and then breaking infinity and about to go into heaven,

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
surfer has never showed good combat speed against anyone like...ever...

As fast as the space winds WITHOUT his board
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/7940/story2page01combatwa4.jpg

Ducks under a missile shot from virtually point blank range AFTER it’s fired(the first scan is just to give a good idea of how close the robot was)
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/3122/silversurferv306103cj4.jpg
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/373/silversurferv306104ma8.jpg

Uses multiple energy blast against multiple targets while dodging multiple incoming blast while moving in a non strait line manner, and all in a single panel
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/1935/silversurfer199003316ik9.jpg

Easily dodges an unexpected attack from an Asgardian and comments on his ability to dodge comets
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/9101/silversurferv1004p031pn4.jpg

Nanosecond reaction times
http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/48/marvelcomicspresents001fk4.jpg

Surfer is able to mentally calculate the trajectory of a being in mid teleportation(not just moving fast, actually teleporting) and attack it upon its arrival
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/6231/silversurfer198902312rp5.jpg

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
thing,hulk ect have hit him before and in the latter case koed him..

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
pc supes could easily do it if he wanted

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
,surfer would still have to try and use cosmic awareness first...then deduct the weakness...and then try and conjur up something in the fight..which against pc supes he just wouldnt have the time to,

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
and krptonite wouldnt work considering pc supes universe doesnt exist anymore so neither does his kryptonite.

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
Korvac only shot a planet destroying blast at him though...its not like he was using his full power...

Also, if he shot a blast that would have destroyed a planet at Surfer, and it didn't affect him... what does that say about his durability (especially since it was heat)?

Originally posted by darthgoober
It's actually been stated a couple of times. Galactus made Surfer's skin immune to both heat and cold, to better traverse space.

Are you sure that's Superman, because it looks more like Superboy in the scan.

Because it's an unquantifiable feat.

Really, ever? What about...

As fast as the space winds WITHOUT his board
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/7940/story2page01combatwa4.jpg

Ducks under a missile shot from virtually point blank range AFTER it’s fired(the first scan is just to give a good idea of how close the robot was)
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/3122/silversurferv306103cj4.jpg
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/373/silversurferv306104ma8.jpg

Uses multiple energy blast against multiple targets while dodging multiple incoming blast while moving in a non strait line manner, and all in a single panel
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/1935/silversurfer199003316ik9.jpg

Easily dodges an unexpected attack from an Asgardian and comments on his ability to dodge comets
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/9101/silversurferv1004p031pn4.jpg

Nanosecond reaction times
http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/48/marvelcomicspresents001fk4.jpg

Surfer is able to mentally calculate the trajectory of a being in mid teleportation(not just moving fast, actually teleporting) and attack it upon its arrival
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/6231/silversurfer198902312rp5.jpg

Neither Toyman nor Lex Luthor have superspeed, and both have tagged PC Supes plenty of times.

Based on...

Wrong. Basic knowledge of opponents assures that Surfer won't have to do ANY of that. He doesn't have to "discover" Supes weaknesses because they're well known by the population of his home planet. The only thing Surfer MIGHT have to use Cosmic Awareness for is discovering the exact composition of K-nite, but that'll be easy enough to do if Surfer weakens him with red sun radiation first(and red sunlight is something Surfer can replicate with EASE).

The fight starts in a NEUTRAL eviorment, so there WILL be K-nite in existence.

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
It's still a cosmic bolt from Korvac.

Also, if he shot a blast that would have destroyed a planet at Surfer, and it didn't affect him... what does that say about his durability (especially since it was heat)?

PC Superman isn't going to blitz him in the first micro second either...

Plus, wasn't that Superboy Prime who towed the galaxies? I've always been confused there.

PC Superman was owned by Mongul. 😂
He should have blitzed him into oblivion. 🙄

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
PC Superman isn't going to blitz him in the first micro second either...

Plus, wasn't that Superboy Prime who towed the galaxies? I've always been confused there.

PC Superman was owned by Mongul. 😂
He should have blitzed him into oblivion. 🙄

You do realize "CIS" applies to the forum, right, and I've never seen PC Supes use any of the bullsheet you've mentioned in a fight (which is the only thing that counts).

Kthnxbia.

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
It says he can survive planet destroyers...not that he can take a punch from a guy who can move whole galaxies with physical strength or who blows out solar systems with sneezes...

That never said how much it could actually destroy, just that it would have wiped out a planet.
Plus, Surfer said it "CANNOT" harm him. I'm not saying Surfer's completely immune to heat, but he's pretty damn resilient.

Plus, in the same fight, Surfer was turned into the center of a planet from Korvac (Korvac was trying to crush him), and he also destroyed Korvac's shield.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/AvengersAnnual16-20.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/AvengersAnnual16-21.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/AvengersAnnual16-22.jpg

He has also taken shots from Hulk to no effect, and we all know Huc can get stronger than PC Supes... 😖hifty:

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
Where is this scan saying galactus made him immune to heat

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
...and even if he is heat vision has tons of physical force behind it as well,

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
...and whats the difference between superboy and superman....pc supes is even stronger and faster,

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
it is a quantifiable speed feat...crossing multiple universes..

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
supes was faster then pc flash so again he would be faster then norrin in a fight,

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
surfer isnt going to be pulling red sun radiation blasts in the first micro second of the match,

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
and isnt going to whipping k-nite up on the fly when pc supes the guy who travels multiverse,tows galaxies of planets and takes 100s of galaxies worth of energy attacks without even having a bloody lip is after him

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
,surfer isnt beating pc supes its that goddamn simple.

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
That was a comic fight,this is a battledome fight so superman can use his speed and ridiculous power to its full extent,his universe sealing heat vision,galaxy towing,solar system sneezing,multiverse infinity breaking speed...I dont see at all how surfer gets a single win in this fight.

Eh, surfer has a boatload of ridiculous powers. he actually could pull out a win or two vs. PC superman.

1.) Surfer can go intangible at any time, avoiding superman's attacks at will.

2.) Surfer can shrink himself down to sub microscopic size, while keeping the full range of his abilities. He did this vs. red shift, and a few times when he needed to enter the microverse. It's a perfectly valid tactic to shrink to submicroscopic size, then eliminate superman from the inside. the Atom used this tactic to kill Darkseid once.

3.) Surfer is, again..a massively versatile energy user. If draining superman isn't an option, he can simply radiate red solar energy omnidirectionally, weakening superman as the fight drags on.

4.) Surfer is perfectly capable of absorbing/destroying the sun, depriving superman of his primary power source. the sun goes nova or gets absorbed, and he just uses speed and intangibility to wait until supes simply runs out of power.

5.) Surfer is a massively powerful and experienced matter manipulator. what's to stop him from turning the ground to a variety of kryptonites (red, green, gold, take your pick) or the air around superman into adamantium? If you doubt just HOW good at it he is, Surfer managed to reconstruct a city around himself to repair the damage while simultaneously fighting (and beating) godlike cable at high speeds.

Either one of these two could win depending on the situation. don't sell surfer short.

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
You do realize "CIS" applies to the forum, right, and I've never seen PC Supes use any of the bullsheet you've mentioned in a [b]fight (which is the only thing that counts).

Kthnxbia.

Anyway...
That blast would have "reduced an entire world to a smoldering cinder".

That never said how much it could actually destroy, just that it would have wiped out a planet.
Plus, Surfer said it "CANNOT" harm him. I'm not saying Surfer's completely immune to heat, but he's pretty damn resilient.

Plus, in the same fight, Surfer was turned into the center of a planet from Korvac (Korvac was trying to crush him), and he also destroyed Korvac's shield.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/AvengersAnnual16-20.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/AvengersAnnual16-21.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/AvengersAnnual16-22.jpg

He has also taken shots from Hulk to no effect, and we all know Huc can get stronger than PC Supes... 😖hifty: [/B]

Both of these guys are fast as hell but speed is not the issue here but acceleration from 0 and reflexes. Even if an object has a very small acceleration then it can still reach any speed imaginable, provided that it accelerates long enough.

So its possible for both Superman and the Silver Surfer to reach any speed they like provided they accelerate long enough. Flash, on the other hand, has a slightly higher acceleration than Supes when moving. That is why he is said to be faster.

So from now on, when certain characters are said to be faster than others then what is meant is that they have a higher acceleration than the other and not top speed.

Silver Surfer has some good acceleration. But superman does have mega acceleration and reflexes though. Its just that, IMO, I think Supes can accelerate to a speed faster than SS can respond. Thus its possible for Supes to get in the first strike. Now both can reach any speed they like, but that doesn't matter. It's just that out of all the SS comics I've read and seen, I'm not convinced that SS has the instant speed/acceleration from 0 and reflexes to prevent Superman from striking first.

So I believe that its definitely possible for Supes to win, especially if Supes, after the first hit, strings in a combo to the point of ko. This is because if Supes hits and affects SS with the first hit (something that Supes is fast and strong enough to do) then he is also fast enough to string in another hit before SS can recover, and then another, and another until Silver Surfer is koed. See the combos in the Street Fighter II video game for more understanding of this. But this would be one heck of a match up though.

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
Bullshit fights are the only that counts my ass,they are feats within his powers there is no reason at all he cant use them in a fight,I hope your kidding about the hulk thing,and taking planet destroying attacks are still nothing compared to the power supes can conjure up.

Plus, I don't really see what towing a galaxy worth of planets has to do with anything... is he going to tow Surfer?

Obviously.

Perhaps.

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
Bullshit fights are the only that counts my ass,they are feats within his powers there is no reason at all he cant use them in a fight,I hope your kidding about the hulk thing,and taking planet destroying attacks are still nothing compared to the power supes can conjure up.

1. A WEAKENED Surfer briefly matched Thanos's power output.
2. Surfer's power output was sufficient to create a black hole as a side effect.
3. Surfer took down a Watcher
4. Surfer stalemated Korvac
5. Surfer took down two Galactus level beings
6. Surfer took down an Eternity level being

Originally posted by h1a8

Silver Surfer has some good acceleration. But superman does have mega acceleration and reflexes though. Its just that, IMO, I think Supes can accelerate to a speed faster than SS can respond. Thus its possible for Supes to get in the first strike. Now both can reach any speed they like, but that doesn't matter. It's just that out of all the SS comics I've read and seen, I'm not convinced that SS has the instant speed/acceleration from 0 and reflexes to prevent Superman from striking first.

check the respect thread. surfer has nanosecond level reaction times. There's no realistic way for superman to blitz him.

Keep in mind also that surfer can phase through solid matter. he doesn't even HAVE to dodge to avoid superman's attacks. But what happens if surfer phases his board and rematerializes it THROUGH superman?

uh oh

😱

Originally posted by darthgoober
Well if you want to go by top end feats ONLY rather than the character's average...

1. A WEAKENED Surfer briefly matched Thanos's power output.
2. Surfer's power output was sufficient to create a black hole as a side effect.
3. Surfer took down a Watcher
4. Surfer stalemated Korvac
5. Surfer took down two Galactus level beings
6. Surfer took down an Eternity level being

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
Except almost all those are not with surfers own power,while what im talking about is everyday pc supes normal powers,unless surfer has a crunch to feed on its not really making a difference.

1. Was an "as is" feat, he matched Thanos
2. Another "as is" feat.
3. Surfer was upgraded by the Blackbody, but he never got rid of the upgrade so he still has it.
4. Another "as is" feat.
5. He fought them with his own power first, and channeled the crunch after he was injured. But seeing as how it's within Surfer's POWER to channel the Crunch, you can't really invalidate the feat.
6. Again, it was the Blackbody that allowed Surfer to absorb enough energy to match the Uni-lord, but he never got rid of it.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Wrong, they were ALL Surfer's own power.

1. Was an "as is" feat, he matched Thanos
2. Another "as is" feat.
3. Surfer was upgraded by the Blackbody, but he never got rid of the upgrade so he still has it.
4. Another "as is" feat.
5. He fought them with his own power first, and channeled the crunch after he was injured. But seeing as how it's within Surfer's POWER to channel the Crunch, you can't really invalidate the feat.
6. Again, it was the Blackbody that allowed Surfer to absorb enough energy to match the Uni-lord, but he never got rid of it.

Originally posted by Space M ummy
check the respect thread. surfer has nanosecond level reaction times. There's no realistic way for superman to blitz him.

Keep in mind also that surfer can phase through solid matter. he doesn't even HAVE to dodge to avoid superman's attacks. But what happens if surfer phases his board and rematerializes it THROUGH superman?

uh oh

😱

Surfer doesn't have nanosecond level reaction. For that scan had him speak whole sentences to himself before he broke out. Second, it is silly to even say nanosecond reaction time. For reaction time is the time it takes for one to respond to something the moment it started to exist. Surfer was already in that device awhile and trying to get out. So there is no nanosecond reaction here. Also, Surfer won't be phasing if Supes gets in the first hit right away.