Originally posted by quanchi112
Supes does not have more raw power. This tvo is nonsense. Why didnt it save him against Cyborg?
It's no more nonsense that Scathans cosmic parakeet trick..something you back religiously.
It's been used a few times and mentioned in other titles. It's completely viable.
Oh..and we both know that version of Borg would have ripped Surfer a new one.
Originally posted by batdude123
You don't get it, do you? From the moment Surfer tries to "drain him" of solar radiation, Superman's body would continually replenish himself with extra solar energy.
That obvoulsy depends on how powerful SS draining is. It worked on Firelord why cant it work on Superman. So Superman is immune to draining now?
Originally posted by batdude123
And while Surfer tries to think of convoluted and intricate plans on how to defeat Superman in mid battle, I suppose Clark is just going to sit there and let him, am I right?
He adapted how he fights in mid-battle many a time, so yes he can think of a plan.
Originally posted by batdude123
One thing Surfer backers never seem to get. There's a difference between having the ability to do something and the actual execution of said plan. While Surfer is analyzing Superman's body, Clark is going to be right on his ass punching him off his board and stomping his head into the ground. And he can actually execute this based upon the fact that Superman has more impressive combat speed feats than Norrin.
SS has enough feats to show he can deal with Supermans speed. Hell he can even decide to use speed to keep as much distance as possible and think of a plan.
Originally posted by Avlon
It's an extremely powerful ability given how it's been shown, especially once you combine it with Torquasm-Rao.Superman has used it to heal, and up his own defense to magic, and physical blows.
It's a viable tactic..and pretty much as cheesy as the PC.
Doesnt give him the win anwyawy. *shrug*
Originally posted by batdude123
Also, Superman was pwning Imperiex Probes left and right by using his heat vision. They were extremely durable, and one of them was shown soloing J'onn, Wally, Kyle, and Plastic Man.
Is that OWAW? Didnt Superman recieve a massive upgrade?
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneI take it you haven't read the story then and are just guessing at random and/or using Wiki as usual. Not too surprising I guess. He didn't get the 'sundip' powerup by that point. When he did that, it was pretty much the end of the story.
Oh ok so it didnt dive into the sun to get a massive upgrade then? 😐
Here's a small example of Superman vs Probes.
http://img453.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sheatvisionvsimperiexprck8.jpg
This is an example of Superman after the 'sundip'.
http://img412.imageshack.us/my.php?image=actioncomics782pg13vs8.jpg
Notice the difference between the depiction?
Originally posted by ultimatethorSurfer tried and failed to absorb a sun before. It was too much power for him.
SS has drained stars before, how much solar energy can superman keepwithin his cells? Certainly not more than the sun itself which ss could probably drain as well. He has evn drained a being with an extremely high lvl of energy like firelord. Superman would be easy
Originally posted by Juntai
Surfer tried and failed to absorb a sun before. It was too much power for him.
For surfer to evn be trying to absorb a sun shows the extent of his energy absorbing powers. Superman certainly does not contain even near the total energy of the sun. Not even sundipped supes does. All surfer has to do is absorb all the energy within supermans cells, which would be really easy for someone on his lvl. Surfer has absorbed other stars that contain far more energy than superman. TO show the amount of energy he can contain, he is able to create blackholes which can be multiple times the size of the sun.
Originally posted by Juntai
I take it you haven't read the story then and are just guessing at random and/or using Wiki as usual. Not too surprising I guess.
Yeah and? At least I can read properly. I mean hell even when I have read the issues and know what happens in each issue I dont know the story according to you. *shrug*
Originally posted by Juntai
He didn't get the 'sundip' powerup by that point. When he did that, it was pretty much the end of the story.Here's a small example of Superman vs Probes.
http://img453.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sheatvisionvsimperiexprck8.jpgThis is an example of Superman after the 'sundip'.
http://img412.imageshack.us/my.php?image=actioncomics782pg13vs8.jpgNotice the difference between the depiction?
Fine.
Originally posted by ultimatethorSuperman actually absorbed an exploding anti-sun before that would have destroyed a galaxy. That shows the extent of his absorbtion powers as compared to Surfers.
For surfer to evn be trying to absorb a sun shows the extent of his energy absorbing powers. Superman certainly does not contain even near the total energy of the sun. Not even sundipped supes does. All surfer has to do is absorb all the energy within supermans cells, which would be really easy for someone on his lvl. Surfer has absorbed other stars that contain far more energy than superman. TO show the amount of energy he can contain, he is able to create blackholes which can be multiple times the size of the sun.
What stars did Surfer absorb? As I said, the only one I recall him trying, he failed.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Yeah and? At least I can read properly. I mean hell even when I have read the issues and know what happens in each issue I dont know the story according to you. *shrug*Fine.
As for your reading comprehension skills, they aren't so great either, and there's a vast amount I can draw on for proof, but since I already stated the Runner conversation, I'll just use that one for here too.
You kept claiming that Runner beat Thanos, and it never happened on panel. In fact, he never touched Thanos, just ran in circles, and then lost when Thanos used his gem.
In fact, here was your summary of the fight using two random names as an analogy..
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
A: Ricky and Frank had a fight yesterday
B: Oh who won?
A: Frank.
B: Oh so Frank is the tougher fighter?
A: No Ricky was kicking his ass so Frank got out a gun and shot him.
So when was Runner/Ricky, exactly kicking Thanos' ass?
When did he even touch him or blast him?
He didn't.
And don't insult my intelligence or comprehension again.
Originally posted by llagrokOn the panels he only destroyed his chair.
You don't think the Runner touched Thanos?
At no point was anything depicted on panel as actually hitting Thanos.
No fist, no kick, no blast.
Originally posted by Juntai
On the panels he only destroyed his chair.
Thanos appeared helpless, grasping at it's pieces.
And then, as you find out, it's only a ploy, as Thanos begins to stand upright on nothing.At no point was anything depicted on panel as actually hitting Thanos.
No fist, no kick, no blast.
Just reread Thanos Quest 2, Juntai is right.
The Runner never actually makes contact with Thanos, just smashes his chair and dodges a blast from Thanos' eyes. Though Thanos compliments his speed, the runner didn't touch him.
Originally posted by Juntai
Superman actually absorbed an exploding anti-sun before that would have destroyed a galaxy. That shows the extent of his absorbtion powers as compared to Surfers.What stars did Surfer absorb? As I said, the only one I recall him trying, he failed.
When surfer tried to absorb that sun, did he fail or just stop after he had absorbed sufficient enrgy(may be a diferenet story).. Anyway, the surfer has shown that he can contain enrgy large enough to create blackholes which are actually multiple times the size and enrgy of stars. The surfer has actually absorbed enrgy from the oan battery without much trouble.
And i dont really get supes absorbing an anti sun, does he have the same kind of control over his enrgy absorbing powers as surfer does?
Anyway it does not really matter as the surfer does not evn have to absorb all supes enrgy into himself at once. He could just drain it and deposit it somewhere else where supes would not have access to it or simply convert to some other form in which it would be of no use to supes.
Originally posted by Juntai
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Originally posted by Juntai
And don't insult my intelligence or comprehension again.
I'll insult your intelligence whenever I feel like it. Im not even insulting you im just being frank.
Originally posted by llagrok
Just reread Thanos Quest 2, Juntai is right.The Runner never actually makes contact with Thanos, just smashes his chair and dodges a blast from Thanos' eyes. Though Thanos compliments his speed, the runner didn't touch him.
Thats neither here nor there. Runner was still winning the fight. He may not have touched him but he still smashed his chair (the chair is part of his equipment and has been used as a weapon) and Thanos was floating around helplessly. Doesnt sound like he was winning to me.
Thanos then decides to use the time gem on him, obvoulsy because if he had not he would have lost the fight. When somebody is losing a fight then pulls out a weapon, the person who has pulled out the weapon is the weaker opponent.
