Superman vs Silver surfer

Originally posted by janus77
Surfer could take the fight to the Astral plain, prolly totally disorientate Superman there.

That would be the BIGGEST mistake of his life.. Have you even heard of t-vo?

Originally posted by janus77
Surfer could also just block out solar energies in a 2mm layer just above superman's body... preventing Superman from receiving any solar energies... then just easily drain him or let him use up the stored solar energies.

Wow... I'd like to see the scan where he's done that to anyone in the history of comics...

Originally posted by Sirius77
That would be the BIGGEST mistake of his life.. Have you even heard of t-vo?

Wow... I'd like to see the scan where he's done that to anyone in the history of comics...

he's got the powers to do it, and it's "in character" for him to find a way of resolving a 'battle' without killing his opponent, by using the Power Cosmic with finesse.

there are no scans of Exitar crushing Hulk under his foot, but I'd bet he could do that!

Originally posted by janus77
he doesn't need to, but he would and he could, if it was required.

he's got the powers to do it, and it's "in character" for him to find a way of resolving a 'battle' without killing his opponent, by using the Power Cosmic with finesse.

there are no scans of Exitar crushing Hulk under his foot, but I'd bet he could do that!

How is using telekinesis to block supermans yellow sun intake one of surfers powers? Again, when has he EVER done this or even shown the capability for telekinesis? Scans?

Originally posted by Sirius77
How is using telekinesis to block supermans yellow sun intake one of surfers powers? Again, when has he EVER done this or even shown the capability for telekinesis? Scans?

Originally posted by janus77
why do you think Surfer would use TK to do that when he has phenomenal energy and matter manipulation powers?
he siphon's gamma from out of the Hulk, he's turned super-powered guys to stone or messed up their molecules instantly... he synthesized Odin-force using the Power Cosmic!

I dont. Youre the one that brought that up... 😐

"Surfer could also just block out solar energies in a 2mm layer just above superman's body... preventing Superman from receiving any solar energies... then just easily drain him or let him use up the stored solar energies. "

And iirc, he didnt synthesize the odin force if we're thinking about the same fight. He got literally one-shotted by odin.

And the stone thing... I'm sure he could, but how many times does he do it?

no, I meant that he could do that via his matter-manip/energy-manip powers. two distinct thoughts, not one run-on sentence.

I'm getting fed up with the "but how many times does he actually do..." stuff. he does it as often as he needs to, he transformed the energies of a red sun into some mystical energy for Moondragon, he +created+ a synthetic Odin-force with which he empowered Beta Ray Bill's hammer, he has turned toasters into gold, robots into sentient life...

frankly it's beyond dispute, as far as I'm concerned. you're welcome to think otherwise, of course.

Originally posted by janus77
I'm getting fed up with the "but how many times does he actually do..." stuff. he does it as often as he needs to, he transformed the energies of a red sun into some mystical energy for Moondragon, he +created+ a synthetic Odin-force with which he empowered Beta Ray Bill's hammer, he has turned toasters into gold, robots into sentient life...

frankly it's beyond dispute, as far as I'm concerned. you're welcome to think otherwise, of course.

He's never done that to someone both as fast, strong and as durable as he is. So I dont see why he can do it to superman. You are free to think what you want as well.

Hmm rarely used or referenced super powers.....o yea t-vo,thread over.

Just saying...

Originally posted by Sirius77
He's never done that to someone both as fast, strong and as durable as he is. So I dont see why he can do it to superman. You are free to think what you want as well.

You just dont get it, surfer has done almost everything but why have it show up in every comic when he has numerous of powers at his disposal to use. Surfer is above and beyond superman. Surfer has all supermans ability plus major interest. The only argument that you all can use against surfer is that superman can speed blitz him when there havent been many scenes of superman speed blitzing anyone.

Lets put it like this, any way that you can think of surfer beating superman it can happen. God like cable seemed pretty indestructible but surfer stripped him of his god like powers with nothing but a glance. There were no weaponary that got past his shield but surfer easily took him out. Surfer recently trapped two being with the same power level as galactus with a wave of his hands. Surfer just took a punch that leveled the moon and got right back up. Surfer was fighting on a planet and blew the entire planet up just by raising his powerlevel. Surfer has trapped a top tier in his board. Surfer absorbed an entire sun, even though he couldnt contain the energy, that is a feat that noone has copied yet.

Like I said, surfer is beyond superman and has so many ways of taking superman out but superman only has one thing to rely on and Im quite sure that it wont work since surfer WILL be on his board and he would be light years more faster then superman.

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
Hmm rarely used or referenced super powers.....o yea t-vo,thread over.

😆

good one.

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
Hmm rarely used or referenced super powers.....o yea t-vo,thread over.

He brought up the ****ing astro plane. I brought up t-vo.

Surfer often uses exotic tactics that exploit the weaknesses and capabilities of his opponents, I don't even know how that's being questioned.

He's used direct offensive transmutation in battle against Quasimodo, Lunatik, and Legacy.

He's used indirect transmutation to beat Terrax, the Obliterator, Nebula, and numerous others.

He directly attacked the energy stores of the Vision, Wonderman, and Jack of Hearts.

He's drained the energy of Hulk(several times), Firelord, an exact double of himself, and the Uni-Lord.

He's manipulated time to beat Durok and the Overlord.

Surfer's pretty much the king of exotic wins and it's very seldom that he DOESN'T use the PC to do something that his opponent can't counter. The question isn't whether or not Surfer will get exotic in the fight, it's WHEN will he get exotic.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Surfer often uses exotic tactics that exploit the weaknesses and capabilities, I don't even know how that's being questioned.

He's used direct offensive transmutation in battle against Quasimodo, Lunatik, and Legacy.

He's used indirect transmutation to beat Terrax, the Obliterator, Nebula, and numerous others.

He directly attacked the energy stores of the Vision, Wonderman, and Jack of Hearts.

He's drained the energy of Hulk(several times), Firelord, an exact double of himself, and the Uni-Lord.

He's manipulated time to beat Durok and the Overlord.

Surfer's the king of exotic wins and it's very seldom that he DOESN'T use the PC to do something that his opponent can't counter. The question isn't whether or not Surfer will get exotic in the fight, it's WHEN will he get exotic.

it really dont matter when he uses it due to the fact that he will be on his board which would make him faster then superman and then you also have to think about the fact that surfer durability is off the charts. We rarely see him injured. Now you cant use his low showing with his durability because who havent been koed by another top tier, I can name 5 people right off the back that has one shotted superman. Surfer CAN take anything that superman can dish out since he is completely indestructible but I just dont think that he will be able to take it all day. I dont think that would be a problem since the fight would be over with by the time superman even think about wailing on someone

Originally posted by darthgoober
Surfer often uses exotic tactics that exploit the weaknesses and capabilities, I don't even know how that's being questioned.

He's used direct offensive transmutation in battle against Quasimodo, Lunatik, and Legacy.

He's used indirect transmutation to beat Terrax, the Obliterator, Nebula, and numerous others.

He directly attacked the energy stores of the Vision, Wonderman, and Jack of Hearts.

He's drained the energy of Hulk(several times), Firelord, an exact double of himself, and the Uni-Lord.

He's manipulated time to beat Durok and the Overlord.

Surfer's pretty much the king of exotic wins and it's very seldom that he DOESN'T use the PC to do something that his opponent can't counter. The question isn't whether or not Surfer will get exotic in the fight, it's WHEN will he get exotic.

by the way, good post, this is one of the best post that has posted in this battle.

Originally posted by carver9
You just dont get it, surfer has done almost everything but why have it show up in every comic when he has numerous of powers at his disposal to use. Surfer is above and beyond superman. Surfer has all supermans ability plus major interest. The only argument that you all can use against surfer is that superman can speed blitz him when there havent been many scenes of superman speed blitzing anyone.

There arent many scenes of superman speedblitzing someone? You really couldnt be more wrong... thats pretty much the majority of what he does.

I would just visit the respect thread and flood this post with scans... but you just arent worth it. Person after person has proven you wrong, but you just dont listen. Just go a few pages before this one and you'll realize that superman does speedblitz. Alot.

Originally posted by carver9
Lets put it like this, any way that you can think of surfer beating superman it can happen. God like cable seemed pretty indestructible but surfer stripped him of his god like powers with nothing but a glance. There were no weaponary that got past his shield but surfer easily took him out. Surfer recently trapped two being with the same power level as galactus with a wave of his hands.

Surfer also lost an arm, a leg, most of his skin and almost died as a result of 'defeating' tenbrous and aegis... If galactus had not intervened exactly when he did, surfer would have died. And if the crunch energies that he channeled were not there, he still would have died. And tenebrous and aegis were not galactus' level, if so, it would not have taken their combined strength to put him down.

Taking things out of context much? 😬

Originally posted by carver9
Surfer just took a punch that leveled the moon and got right back up.

And supergirl took a blast to the face that was literally equal to a sun. She wasnt koed. But the guy escaped.

Originally posted by carver9
Surfer was fighting on a planet and blew the entire planet up just by raising his powerlevel. Surfer has trapped a top tier in his board. Surfer absorbed an entire sun, even though he couldnt contain the energy, that is a feat that noone has copied yet.

And supergirl destroyed a moon by just flying into it... and shes not as powerful as superman. We can list feats all day if you'd like...

Originally posted by carver9
Like I said, surfer is beyond superman and has so many ways of taking superman out but superman only has one thing to rely on and Im quite sure that it wont work since surfer WILL be on his board and he would be light years more faster then superman.

And if surfer is concentrating on dodging and blocking, I doubt he'll have time between battle to use matter or energy manip on the fly. Superman isnt the hulk or wolverine or cable. Hes alot faster than all of those.

They have the same level of max speed these days. So I dont see how surfer is 'lightyears faster' (whatever that means) than superman.

Originally posted by Juntai
It's no more or less viable as what some of the Surfer fans are claiming. Some people on both sides of the fences aren't giving proper respect to two of the best characters in either universe, imo. It's to be expected though.

So a fight with wolverine vs magneto, a fight that one participant could take full advantage of the other, we should ignore the advantages and just give proper respect to both participants? 😕
Wolverine has slugged it out with the best of them, most of the time with people way out of his league. Logan is a well respected character in marvel. So lets just give em the split 50/50 vs. magneto a character that has ways to take logan out the fight. 😬
Surfer has no obvious weaknesses that superman can take advantage of unlike the ones surfer can dish out to supes.
Save the physical punishment thing. Showing scans of surfer being punched does not equal weakness. In that case I can post 10X as many scans of superman being punched by someone.
Superman has been hurt by energy wielders exploiting his weaknesses that are not at surfers level. Why wouldn't surfer do the same to a stronger degree?
Again I would be hesitant to give supes a few wins just cause he is superman or just assuming this takes place in a superman comic were he prevails from certain death.
Lastly the speed blitz nonsense. Surfer deals with cosmic foes 90% of the time whom most have super speed. It rarely is a problem.

Originally posted by Inhuman
So a fight with wolverine vs magneto, a fight that one participant could take full advantage of the other, we should ignore the advantages and just give proper respect to both participants? 😕
Wolverine has slugged it out with the best of them, most of the time with people way out of his league. Logan is a well respected character in marvel. So lets just give em the split 50/50 vs. magneto a character that has ways to take logan out the fight. 😬
Surfer has no obvious weaknesses that superman can take advantage of unlike the ones surfer can dish out to supes.
Save the physical punishment thing. Showing scans of surfer being punched does not equal weakness. In that case I can post 10X as many scans of superman being punched by someone.
Superman has been hurt by energy wielders exploiting his weaknesses that are not at surfers level. Why wouldn't surfer do the same to a stronger degree?
Again I would be hesitant to give supes a few wins just cause he is superman or just assuming this takes place in a superman comic were he prevails from certain death.
Lastly the speed blitz nonsense. Surfer deals with cosmic foes 90% of the time whom most have super speed. It rarely is a problem.

Most of the counterarguments here are still Superman wins because hes Superman. Anything Superman can do Surfer can do better. Surfer for the win.

Originally posted by carver9
Got a question for ya. when I or anyone else ask to show superman amazing speed blitz why are the same scans used for superman, like him fighting imperex, him fighting mongul and the doomsday. If superman is this amazing blitzing god, why isnt there any other scans to provide proof of this. If I was to ask you for proof that flash could speed blitz do you think that the same scans would show up everytime its asked for flash. The sad thing about this is that superman has been out for ages and people consider him to be so far above a lot of people in speed but I can get another speedster, example, quicksilver and he has done more blitzes then superman could dream of.

I can get a quicksilver comic and it will have the enemies saying that quicksilver is to fast to battle, can you all show me a instance where a superman villian stated this.

Superman isnt a combat speedster. he has great flight speed but his combat speed is next to nothing and the little that you all have shown I can show you scans of wolverine or spiderman doing the same thing.

Just had a thought of something, even though I know this isnt cannon, we all consider spiderman and venom to be kind of fast when fighting opponent. When superman fought spiderman, superman couldnt even react to spiderman attacks. When superman fought venom, superman couldnt even react to venom, venom basically overwhelmed him but when superman fought a brick like hulk, kalibak, etc... superman went toe to toe with them. Even when superman tried to capture deathstroke he was having problems doing so.

Supermans combat speed is next to nothing just like surfers combat speed.

You don't know what you are talking about. How many Superman comics have you read? What same scans?
There are literally hundreds of scans available that show Superman instantly blitzing others, operating at super speed, and reacting at insance speeds before even a thousandth of the first second goes by. He has caught a barrage of bullets like they're standing still, heared gunshots from miles away and then traveling miles in order to stop the them from hitting their several feet away target, etc.

The thing is Superman has instant speed and SS doesn't. SS needs a least a second to really go fast and Superman doesn't. So after the first second or two SS is faster than Superman. But before the first second (or the first instant) Superman is faster.

And remember 3 scans proves that a feat is not PIS. SS doesn't have
his 3 scans while Superman has his.

Same scans huh?
Here's a new one for you.

Fast enough to block Superman's HV but not Superman's blitz.
http://img118.imageshack.us/my.php?image=351yc.jpg