Originally posted by h1a8
Whether SS can scan Superman's body to make Kryptonite or use red solar radiation is moot. This is because when the bell sounds Superman will be hammering him hard. So stop with this dumb kryptonite and red sun radiation crap that won't happen. And SS is not tailored to beat Superman. He lacks the all important battle and reaction speed.Superman wins due to the instant speed blitz.
What a load of rubbish.
Originally posted by KutuluWhat a minute, what about flying around faster than Hulk can account for, and draining the gamma radiation and all that bla bla?
Against WWH Surfer would have severe trouble, and at bare minimum would be a close battle. We saw that Hulk's strength increased enough on Planet Hulk to literally knock the Surfer out, something which in the past he has had extreme trouble doing.
You think Surfer stomps Superman, but Hulk gives him a good fight and can knock him out.
lol.
Originally posted by h1a8No he doesnt, and you act as if Surfer is a very weak character and just gets beaten down. Surfer could weather this speedblitz and then bring him to his knees as we have already seen with another character in this very thread. 🙂
Whether SS can scan Superman's body to make Kryptonite or use red solar radiation is moot. This is because when the bell sounds Superman will be hammering him hard. So stop with this dumb kryptonite and red sun radiation crap that won't happen. And SS is not tailored to beat Superman. He lacks the all important battle and reaction speed.Superman wins due to the instant speed blitz.
surfer 8/10, the people that are arguing for superman are doing some desperate and crap debating.
The seem to know little of heralds durability and seems to know jack about heralds speed. If a dc writer claimed that surfer is faster then flash, what chance in hell is superman going to have at speedblitzing surfer.
If superman and surfer are in the air fighting and superman FLIES to his opponent and try to speedblitz someone that FLIES waaaaaaaaaay faster then him, what is the chance that thats going to happen.
Surfer wins with a couple of cosmic blast that would eventually kill or ko superman.
Originally posted by carver9
surfer 8/10, the people that are arguing for superman are doing some desperate and crap debating.The seem to know little of heralds durability and seems to know jack about heralds speed. If a dc writer claimed that surfer is faster then flash, what chance in hell is superman going to have at speedblitzing surfer.
If superman and surfer are in the air fighting and superman FLIES to his opponent and try to speedblitz someone that FLIES waaaaaaaaaay faster then him, what is the chance that thats going to happen.
Surfer wins with a couple of cosmic blast that would eventually kill or ko superman.
superman is as fast if not faster when it comes to reaction speeds... he's kept up with wally... imo surfer HAS to use his kryptonite/red sun option, or he'll get his ass handed to him... supes has him in strength and durability, and is just as good if not better when it comes to actual combat...
imo.
Originally posted by pr1983
superman is as fast if not faster when it comes to reaction speeds... he's kept up with wally... imo surfer HAS to use his kryptonite/red sun option, or he'll get his ass handed to him... supes has him in strength and durability, and is just as good if not better when it comes to actual combat...imo.
I agree with you when it comes to reaction speed but both havent shown anything to make them look impressive in that category. Both have failed to react to bricks and both have been taken down by bricks so to me there reaction speed is flawed in this combat.
Now I give superman the edge in strength, even though surfer can amp his strength with his cosmic powers but durabity,that edge goes to surfer since it take a extreme measure of contact to pierce his skin but in almost every comic with superman he either has a bloody nose or a black eye. In the kalibak and mantis fight he suffered from a bloody nose and black eye.
The only way superman can even pull a victory against the surfer is with strength, whereas surfer has maaaaaaaaaany options at taking superman out. If a space ship can almost kill superman, imagine what surfer cosmic powers can to do him.
Originally posted by carver9
I agree with you when it comes to reaction speed but both havent shown anything to make them look impressive in that category. Both have failed to react to bricks and both have been taken down by bricks so to me there reaction speed is flawed in this combat.
but there is the 'superman fights at his opponents level due to an insane wish to be fair' factor... yes, its stupid, but it is canon and there are just as many occasions of him being as fast as he needs to be when its needed...
Now I give superman the edge in strength, even though surfer can amp his strength with his cosmic powers but durabity,that edge goes to surfer since it take a extreme measure of contact to pierce his skin but in almost every comic with superman he either has a bloody nose or a black eye. In the kalibak and mantis fight he suffered from a bloody nose and black eye.
superman consistently fights either incredibly powerful physically or magically powered beings... metropolis is a target for any powerful villain that wants to make a name for themselves... and if these guys even make it in to open space, superman will have the sun amping him too...
The only way superman can even pull a victory against the surfer is with strength, whereas surfer has maaaaaaaaaany options at taking superman out. If a space ship can almost kill superman, imagine what surfer cosmic powers can to do him.
spaceship?
Originally posted by pr1983No he wont get his ass handed to him. Did you see how Superman did against Kalibak and Mantis? He got knocked out. Good thing Orion was there or he would have died.
superman is as fast if not faster when it comes to reaction speeds... he's kept up with wally... imo surfer HAS to use his kryptonite/red sun option, or he'll get his ass handed to him... supes has him in strength and durability, and is just as good if not better when it comes to actual combat...imo.
Why also didnt he use his speed to avoid the shadow demons in death of the new gods?
Originally posted by pr1983
but there is the 'superman fights at his opponents level due to an insane wish to be fair' factor... yes, its stupid, but it is canon and there are just as many occasions of him being as fast as he needs to be when its needed...superman consistently fights either incredibly powerful physically or magically powered beings... metropolis is a target for any powerful villain that wants to make a name for themselves... and if these guys even make it in to open space, superman will have the sun amping him too...
spaceship?
I forgot the name of the ship but it was some ship that him and the jla were fighting in space and all of them were severly injured.
You made good points that is hard to debate against but I just see it like this, superman entire rogue gallery is nothing but bricks and when he fight people that possess speed like general zod, supergirl, wonderwoman, black adam, captain marvel, etc... the humans around are able to see every blow that is thrown, so we cant assume that he has combat speed when he dont portray it in comics.
Now I do agree, superman has great flight speed, it has grown a lot for some years but its not something that would give him a 50/50 or a majority over surfer.
In this battle, there have been numerous of ways that surfer can put superman out but people can bringing up one way that superman can take surfer out and that might not even work against surfer since he is arguably one of the most durable characters in comics. Surfer recently got punched so hard by annihitus that it crushed the entire moon but surfer got right back up. does superman possess that kind of punching power. We cant say yes because theres no on panel proof, we cant even say that he possess strength even close to crushing a moon because again theres no on panel proof.
I give surfer a good majority against superman, just to much leaning his way.