Originally posted by ultimatethorBetter the bald guy should lose to someone who wears red underoos over blue tights? Nyet.
It must be hard for some people to envision superman...losing to some bald silver guy on a surfboard.
Originally posted by quanchi112Not yet. 😉 Someone should start a thread...
Superman hasnt defeated Orion yet has he?
[QUOTE=10211185]Originally posted by Mindship
[B]Better the bald guy should lose to someone who wears red underoos over blue tights? Nyet.
Thats the thing the underoos and the tight represent the idea of a true hero. Evn in my country were people hardly read comics or know anything about comic characters( I think there is only like one good comic shop in the whole country), when a person tries to help someone in distress they say the peron is trying to be a "superman", even though they have limited knowledge of the actaul character, they know what he represents. That being said, he really does not have a good chance against someone wit the surfers powers, but in an actual comic he might actually get the win after a long hard battle. lol
Originally posted by janus77
err, no I don't think you've thought that one through, really...there is no "wide-angle" from which to see +all sides+ of a sphere at once.
and no, that's not how his Cosmic Awareness works, it's +Awareness+ as in conscious perception, not just visual perception. like when Vader senses a "disturbance in the Force", it doesn't come with flashing green lights and a big-ass sign saying "DISTURBANCE IN THE FORCE, 500 METERS, TURN RIGHT AT NEXT TRAFFIC LIGHTS"... if you get my drift.
Your are right about the wide angle stuff (I made a mistake). But you get what I was trying to say right?
The CA works in many ways (like spider-sense does). SS can sense disturbances with it, scan objects for their molecular makeup, etc.
Even though they are all CA, in no way do they work the same.
If you disagree then answer this:
Why did SS go away to try to search? Couldn't he just stayed where he was and used his CA?
My answer is that he needed to use his eyes to scan the Earth, and that is why he went away for a moment vs. staying with the others.
Originally posted by h1a8
Your are right about the wide angle stuff (I made a mistake). But you get what I was trying to say right?The CA works in many ways (like spider-sense does). SS can sense disturbances with it, scan objects for their molecular makeup, etc.
Even though they are all CA, in no way do they work the same.If you disagree then answer this:
Why did SS go away to try to search? Couldn't he just stayed where he was and used his CA?My answer is that he needed to use his eyes to scan the Earth, and that is why he went away for a moment vs. staying with the others.
He had to be fast to do that feat. 😐
Originally posted by janus77
Superman's not even in the same league as Surfer yet people will continue to argue and pick at the most tendentious of threads to find someway, anyway, of saving their boy from the inevitable diminution in standing.I mean, look what they've been reduced to, arguing about "reaction time" against a character who dodges fvcking asteroid fields at multiples of the speed of light. a character who traverses light years in seconds.
If SS dodges asteroid at multiples of the speed of light then in no way I would be arguing that he don't have the reactions. I believe that he moves at very slow speeds (much under light speed) when dodging asteroids. And all SS experts know that the only way SS can move faster than light is by traveling in hyperspace. Thus there is no asteroids to dodge there.
Originally posted by h1a8Not true. There was no mention or portrayal of Surfer entering hyperspace during the Infinity Gauntlet feat. There are other instances of Surfer's FtL travel also without the use of hyperspace.
If SS dodges asteroid at multiples of the speed of light then in no way I would be arguing that he don't have the reactions. I believe that he moves at very slow speeds (much under light speed) when dodging asteroids. And all SS experts know that the only way SS can move faster than light is by traveling in hyperspace. Thus there is no asteroids to dodge there.
Surfer can enter hyperspace, but he doesn't have to to travel ludicrously fast.
Originally posted by h1a8
If SS dodges asteroid at multiples of the speed of light then in no way I would be arguing that he don't have the reactions. I believe that he moves at very slow speeds (much under light speed) when dodging asteroids. And all SS experts know that the only way SS can move faster than light is by traveling in hyperspace. Thus there is no asteroids to dodge there.
How the hell do you know how fast hes travelling when dodging asteroids? We know SS is going fast, but hell you dont know what speed Superman is always doing when he speedblitzes. You dont neccesarily go into hyperspace when going FTL.
Originally posted by Acrosurge
Not true. There was no mention or portrayal of Surfer entering hyperspace during the Infinity Gauntlet feat. There are other instances of FtL travel also without the use of hyperspace.Surfer can enter hyperspace, but he doesn't have to to travel ludicrously fast.
YEAH! ha-son
Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Oh... OK.http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=392736
Sure as hell looks like Supes beats him by himself...
Your are right. My apologies. Please forgive me. I forgot about that one. But yes I used the same argument in several PC. Superman and Superman 1M vs. RKT. Maybe it was the team against RKT that made me forget it was Supes by himself.
But if RKT has the same speed, reflexes, and durability as regular Thor (only more powers) then how isn't the outcome the same?
Originally posted by h1a8
Your are right. My apologies. Please forgive me. I forgot about that one. But yes I used the same argument in several PC. Superman and Superman 1M vs. RKT. Maybe it was the team against RKT that made me forget it was Supes by himself.But if RKT has the same speed, reflexes, and durability as regular Thor (only more powers) then how isn't the outcome the same?
Because uh... he doesn't. He's more durable, and he's basically a super magician... Superman would have trouble making his eye flinch, if he punched him in the eyeball... 😐
It's painfully obvious that you didn't read Ragnarok.
Plus, I bet Superman would beat those slow ass Celestials too if he fought them...
Also, about Surfer's reactions... there's more out there, but this will suffice.
Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Surfer has good enough reactions to avoid a lot of attacks from Sentry and Hulk. 🙂
And good enough combat feats to be offensive about it too.Goes beyond the speed of light around Deathurge like nothing... in the middle of combat.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/SilverSurfer_Rune-14.jpgEasily dodges Hulk without his board.
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/7940/story2page01combatwa4.jpgRuns through a bunch of ships easily.
http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/7517/annihilationsilversurferi9.jpgBlitzes a bunch of ships.
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/1935/silversurfer199003316ik9.jpgDodges a missile point blank.
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/3122/silversurferv306103cj4.jpg
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/373/silversurferv306104ma8.jpgNanosecond reaction.
http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/48/marvelcomicspresents001fk4.jpgApparently if he was a microsecond slower, he would have been tagged.
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/623/silversurfer0230rp3.jpgDodges an attack by Avatar right after she awakes him.
http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/9471/silversurferv309215yv0.jpgAnd another.
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/9199/silversurferv309216zy3.jpgShows some good combat speed against Firelord.
http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/8950/silversurfer198901917ut0.jpg
http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/6966/silversurfer198901918jg5.jpg
http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/4743/silversurfer198901920gh4.jpgAgainst Firelord again.
http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/5583/silversurferv308306ab3.jpgAbsolutely makes Legacy look ridiculous.
http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/1567/p2silversurferv309005qb6.jpg
http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/9906/p3silversurferv309016gd0.jpg
http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/4025/p3silversurferv30901718yo6.jpg
http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/5885/p3silversurferv309019dv2.jpgGood showing against Midnight Sun (top class martial artist).
http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/9861/silversurfer198903014id3.jpgShows a nice speed showing vs Morg. A quick punch.
http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/6703/silversurferannual0727mo1.jpgHits Ravenous, and then apparently gets behind him, and gets him again.
http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/4984/annihilationsilversurfexs9.jpgCatches Ronan's hammer while Ronan was drilling him with it, and KO's him.
http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/4632/silversurfer198902526bb7.jpgGood combat showing against Super Skrull. Even better because he had to adjust his eyes to see him in [b]the middle of his attack.
http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/8264/silversurfer198902508gh6.jpgDodges Super Skrulls punch, and then punches off a chunk of his face.
http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/2213/silversurferv3105p12mk3.jpgVs Thor.
http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/2576/silversurferv1004p036go9.jpg
http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/2497/silversurferv1004p039hu7.jpg
http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/1812/silversurferv1004p041co8.jpg
http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/6692/silversurferv1004p042ul2.jpgComes out of nowhere and blocks an attackers knife attack.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/InThyName2009.jpgShows some skill vs Lunatik.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/MCP175p12.jpg [/B]
Originally posted by ultimatethor
At least, the poll shows that common sense is prevailing over sentimentalism. Really, the main point for superman is that he has faster reaction times than SS which is extremely debatable. And even if this debatable fact is accepted, he is not going to ko ss with a few hits as ss is hella durable. That being said it is really ridiculous to think that superman would hit ss, so many times that he would ko him before ss could even put up a forcefield or something. Superman is just way to one dimensional for a character like ss to lose to even once without ss behaving like some sort of idiot at one point of the fight or the other. SS is on par with supes physically and could at least hang with supes in physical fight for sometime. However if you add the power comic to s which gives him a countless amount of extra abilities, superman goes down for the count.
Thanos punches Surfer all the time. Even Spider-Man has put up a great fight (well, more or less) against Surfer. And didn't Wolverine cut Surfer once during the Carnage fight ? - I could be wrong though.
Anyways, everybody is talking about Surfers speed and reflexes, but he gets punched and kicked all the freaking time. Sometimes even by low level heroes.
Surfer has of course amazing traveling speed. But fighting speed ? I don't know, he's of course a lot faster than you and me, but does he really have Flash like reflexes like Superman has ? I doubt it.
Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Because uh... he doesn't. He's more durable, and he's basically a super magician... Superman would have trouble making his eye flinch, if he punched him in the eyeball... 😐It's painfully obvious that you didn't read Ragnarok.
Plus, I bet Superman would beat those slow ass Celestials too if he fought them...
Also, about Surfer's reactions... there's more out there, but this will suffice.
He'll think of something, its like debating with you sometimes. 🙄
Originally posted by h1a8
Maybe, but not Superman fast.
As he need some seconds to do it.
HOW DO YOU KNOW?????? How is it any faster or slower than Superman.
Originally posted by Acrosurge
Not true. There was no mention or portrayal of Surfer entering hyperspace during the Infinity Gauntlet feat. There are other instances of Surfer's FtL travel also without the use of hyperspace.Surfer can enter hyperspace, but he doesn't have to to travel ludicrously fast.
Show me any instances where SS, without a shadow of a doubt, doesn't need to travel in hyperspace to reach FTL speeds. Because marvel has explain this several times already (at least once on panel too).
In the IG feat SS had already came out of hyperspace and was going sub light speeds when he tried to grab the Gauntlet. This is why Captain America was able to see him miss and go past.
Originally posted by Kid KurdyThanos beat Surfer to death in the one fight they had because Thanos caught him... and Surfer was unable to effect him.
I don't get it.Thanos punches Surfer all the time. Even Spider-Man has put up a great fight (well, more or less) against Surfer. And didn't Wolverine cut Surfer once during the Carnage fight ? - I could be wrong though.
Anyways, everybody is talking about Surfers speed and reflexes, but he gets punched and kicked all the freaking time. Sometimes even by low level heroes.
And that's an accurate portrayal? You really want Surfer to kill off Spider-Man?
No. That was a What-If I believe.
And Superman doesn't? Batman comes to mind right away.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
How the hell do you know how fast hes travelling when dodging asteroids? We know SS is going fast, but hell you dont know what speed Superman is always doing when he speedblitzes. You dont neccesarily go into hyperspace when going FTL.YEAH! ha-son
Originally posted by h1a8I don't even remember when Surfer was ever said to go into hyperspace on panel... let alone have him explain it... I don't know what's more to explain about this.
Show me any instances where SS, without a shadow of a doubt, doesn't need to travel in hyperspace to reach FTL speeds. Because marvel has explain this several times already (at least once on panel too).In the IG feat SS had already came out of hyperspace and was going sub light speeds when he tried to grab the Gauntlet. This is why Captain America was able to see him miss and go past.
What do you base this off of?
Also, Captain America seemed to be looking at Thanos... when he was punching Thanos. And Surfer was already far, far away when Cap threw his punch.
Could you attempt to discredit Surfer even more?
Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Because uh... he doesn't. He's more durable, and he's basically a super magician... Superman would have trouble making his eye flinch, if he punched him in the eyeball... 😐It's painfully obvious that you didn't read Ragnarok.
Plus, I bet Superman would beat those slow ass Celestials too if he fought them...
Also, about Surfer's reactions... there's more out there, but this will suffice.
I own the paper comic book of Ragnarok. And I haven't seen where RKT's durability hasn't proven to be greater than regular Thor's.
I don't think Superman is strong enough to hurt a Celestial and even if he is then I don't think physical damage could end them, as they purposely get stabbed by swords just to analyze them.
And none of those scans show that SS has the reactions or initial speed necessary to dodge a Superman blitz.
Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Thanos beat Surfer to death in the one fight they had because Thanos caught him... and Surfer was unable to effect him.
Surfer is like a million times faster than Thanos ever will be, has cosmic awareness, and somehow he always manages to fly into Thanos fists or blasts.
Doesn't make any sense.
Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
I don't even remember when Surfer was ever said to go into hyperspace on panel... let alone have him explain it... I don't know what's more to explain about this.
Also:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/SilverSurfer_Rune-14.jpgWhat do you base this off of?
Also, Captain America seemed to be looking at Thanos... when he was punching Thanos. And Surfer was already far, far away when Cap threw his punch.Could you attempt to discredit Surfer even more?
Saying that I can move faster than light itself doesn't mean that I'm doing so now. Marvel showed on panel that SS had to travel in hyperspace to travel FTL. If I come across the scan again then I'll post it. From my memory Captain America clearly saw SS go past Thanos.
