Superman vs Silver surfer · Comic Book 'Versus' Forum

Mr. Slippyfist Dead

Originally posted by h1a8
I own the paper comic book of Ragnarok. And I haven't seen where RKT's durability hasn't proven to be greater than regular Thor's.
I don't think Superman is strong enough to hurt a Celestial and even if he is then I don't think physical damage could end them, as they purposely get stabbed by swords just to analyze them.
And none of those scans show that SS has the reactions or initial speed necessary to dodge a Superman blitz.

He's more powerful than Odin... and he has the Odin Force, and the Runes.
Also, on a regular Thor who didn't have the extent of power as Rune King Thor did, he was able to fight and beat HJ. Earlier, HJ was able to snap Thor's limbs in half, and was completely unaffected by full hammer swings by Thor.
That's just Rune dabbling... Rune King Thor was a master of the Runes.

Anyway... let's just go by the fact that Superman can't touch Thor...
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/5Thor084-15.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/5Thor084-19.jpg

Why I'm trying to argue this is beyond me...

Perhaps you're right... but according to this thread, Surfer has no reaction feats.

Originally posted by Kid Kurdy

Come on, if Surfer has half a brain, Thanos would never, but I mean never be able to lay a finger on him.
Surfer is like a million times faster than Thanos ever will be, has cosmic awareness, and somehow he always manages to fly into Thanos fists or blasts.
Doesn't make any sense. [/B]

Uh-huh... because Thanos has no reactions, right? OK.

Originally posted by h1a8
Saying that I can move faster than light itself doesn't mean that I'm doing so now. Marvel showed on panel that SS had to travel in hyperspace to travel FTL. If I come across the scan again then I'll post it. From my memory Captain America clearly saw SS go past Thanos.

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Wow...

Kid Kurdy Senior Member

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Uh-huh... because Thanos has no reactions, right? OK.

So Thanos has reactions... wow... now everything has become clear to me...

Mr. Slippyfist Dead

Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
So Thanos has reactions... wow... now everything has become clear to me...

Still as bias as ever I see...

Certainly him reacting to Surfer bum rushing at him is pis. And dodging Surfer grabbing at the IG. Reacting to a laser being fired, and ducking. As is catching a cheapshot rock thrown at him by Moondragon. So is reacting to his clone trying to cheapshot him...

Nope, no reactions here, only pis.

Phantom Zone Junior Member

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist

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Wow...

Now you know how I feel sometimes. angryfist

Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
So Thanos has reactions... wow... now everything has become clear to me...

Er excuse me didnt Thanos easily stop Fallen One, didnt we explain this?

Kid Kurdy Senior Member

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Still as bias as ever I see...

You should talk.

And dodging Surfer grabbing at the IG.

I thought Surfer missed. Doesn't matter though, because that was not normal Thanos, but IG wearing Thanos, which gave him every single power he wanted.

Don't know why you bring this up.

Reacting to a laser being fired, and ducking.

My dear friend, every single character, hero or villain, dodges lasers. It's like the first thing they learn.

Ok, maybe not the Blob. Or professor X.

As is catching a cheapshot rock thrown at him by Moondragon.

My God, the insane reflexes !!!

So is reacting to his clone trying to cheapshot him...

Wow, it just doesn't stop

You know, if these are your best examples, you can give it up.

He caught a rock and dodged a laser. Flash number 2 lol.

Avlon Godot Brew#107

Ah... the basic KMC thread lives again!

These 2 guys have the tools to beat each other. I'm not so sure what is so hard to grasp on both ends...

Surfer - Flight Speed, Energy Manip, Strength, PC (which grants him various enhancements.)

Superman - Flight speed, Energy manip (think about it), Strength, Various Vo and Rao techniques (which grants various enhancements.)

Superman is faster and stronger physically and Surfer has better energy manip.

It's like Ken and Ryu...one is faster...the other stronger.

Kid Kurdy Senior Member

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Er excuse me didnt Thanos easily stop Fallen One, didnt we explain this?

Yes he did. What's there to explain ?

Fallen One flew towards Thanos, and Thanos blasted him. Ok, good for Thanos, pretty cool "fight".

Is this however a reflex feat ? Of course not. We don't have the slightest idea how fast Fallen One was flying - again, not the slightest idea.

It would be stupid however to assume Fallen One was going light speed. Theoretically it could be, sure, but it wouldn't make any sense, they were standing - or was it floating - like, I don't know, 20 meters away from each other ?

I know FA is a fast character. So is Surfer. Spider-Man dodged Surfers attacks pretty easily. So did Iron Man once (he lost eventually). Does that make them just as fast as Surfer ? No, of course not, because Surfer didn't travel or fight that fast.

Mr. Slippyfist Dead

Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
You should talk.

I don't attempt to upgrade Thanos at every turn, or downgrade him at every chance... so yes, I should talk.

Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
[B]
I thought Surfer missed. Doesn't matter though, because that was not normal Thanos, but IG wearing Thanos, which gave him every single power he wanted.
Don't know why you bring this up.

He dodged it.

Except he deactivated everything except the Power Gem.

Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
[B]
My dear friend, every single character, hero or villain, dodges lasers. It's like the first thing they learn.
Ok, maybe not the Blob. Or professor X.

A laser gun when he wasn't paying attention?

Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
[B]
My God, the insane reflexes !!!

I know... especially when he had to turn around and catch it when he wasn't paying attention.

Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
[B]
Wow, it just doesn't stop
You know, if these are your best examples, you can give it up.
He caught a rock and dodged a laser. Flash number 2 lol.

He reacted to Surfer twice, that should be enough to prove he can react to Surfer, or at least show it isn't pis.

You said he has no reactions.

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Anyway, Surfer doesn't blitz everyone... so I don't see why that's relevant anyway. However, he does have reactions and some good combat showings.

Avlon Godot Brew#107

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Except he deactivated everything except the Power Gem.

I could have sworn Thanos simply turned off his omniscience... and was fully powered otherwise...

Kid Kurdy Senior Member

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Except he deactivated everything except the Power Gem.

He still was incredibly powerful, and could give himself every power he wanted.

I mean, the fight speaks for itself, he transformed Thor in glass, turned himself into a giant, opened time portals...

Anything he has done wearing the IG, should not be brought up when debating normal Thanos.

Mr. Slippyfist Dead

Originally posted by Avlon
I could have sworn Thanos simply turned off his omniscience... and was fully powered otherwise...

He specifically mentioned that he cut off the sensory input of; Soul, Mind, Space, Reality, and Time.

Mr. Slippyfist Dead

Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
He still was incredibly powerful, and could give himself every power he wanted.
I mean, the fight speaks for itself, he transformed Thor in glass, turned himself into a giant, opened time portals...
Anything he has done wearing the IG, should not be brought up when debating normal Thanos.

That's because the Power Gem backed his own powers.
Apparently (according to earlier comics) Thanos had the ability to manipulate time, and he had matter manipulation.
Also, the Power Gem on its own transformed Thanos into a giant earlier in a Surfer comic...

However, I can't see it amping things like reflexes, intelligence, fighting skills.

Avlon Godot Brew#107

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
He specifically mentioned that he cut off the sensory input of; Soul, Mind, Space, Reality, and Time.

SENSORY input. He would retain his godhood while allowing the element of surprise so that the heroes would have 0.5% chance of winning if I remember correctly?

Kid Kurdy Senior Member

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
That's because the Power Gem backed his own powers.
Apparently (according to earlier comics) Thanos had the ability to manipulate time, and he had matter manipulation.
Also, the Power Gem on its own transformed Thanos into a giant earlier in a Surfer comic...
However, I can't see it amping things like reflexes, intelligence, fighting skills.

Oh I can see it alright.

You can't see it because you don't want to see it.

Kid Kurdy Senior Member

Originally posted by Avlon
SENSORY input. He would retain his godhood while allowing the element of surprise so that the heroes would have 0.5% chance of winning if I remember correctly?

Yes something like that.

It was a great risk he took 😄

Avlon Godot Brew#107

Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
Yes something like that.
It was a great risk he took 😄

Apparently. Let's blindfold a Hippo in a roomful of mice and see how they'd do against him!

Attack! 😄

Mr. Slippyfist Dead

Originally posted by Avlon
SENSORY input. He would retain his godhood while allowing the element of surprise so that the heroes would have 0.5% chance of winning if I remember correctly?

And, he actually showed use of the Gems?

Also:
"I would retain limitless power, yet not know my enemies' next move."

Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
Oh I can see it alright.
You can't see it because you don't want to see it.

So, it would increase his brain capacity/something? So, he would be smarter, have more reflexes, and be a better fighter, and whatever else comes with self taught things?

Intriguing. Because he acted like somewhat of a tool in that series at times.

Kid Kurdy Senior Member

Originally posted by Avlon
Apparently. Let's blindfold a Hippo in a roomful of mice and see how they'd do against him!
Attack! 😄

Hush, don't make fun of Thanos !

Before you know it, you are considered a hater 😉

Avlon Godot Brew#107

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
And, he actually showed use of the Gems?
Also:
"I would retain limitless [b]power, yet not know my enemies' next move." [/B]

So he turned off his omniscience and still had full access to his power...his godhood. He just couldn't see what was coming..till he almost had his gauntlet stolen and turned it back on.

Same difference. 🙂

Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
Hush, don't make fun of Thanos !
Before you know it, you are considered a hater 😉

Make that a raspberry hater-aid. yum. ✅

Kid Kurdy Senior Member

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
And, he actually showed use of the Gems?
Also:
"I would retain limitless [b]power, yet not know my enemies' next move."
So, it would increase his brain capacity/something? So, he would be smarter, have more reflexes, and be a better fighter, and whatever else comes with self taught things?
Intriguing. [/B]

You are stretching.

I'll keep it simple:

- he was wearing the IG, and we both don't know exactly in which way it changed his physical abilities. A bit, quite some or a lot ? I don't know, you don't know.

- not only that, but it can be argued that Surfer missed. The picture is not clear enough.

- we also don't know how fast Surfer was going (probably very fast, I'll give you that), but it still took some time for Surfer to reach Thanos.

You see, too many IF's and we-don't-knows.

You ignore all that, and just say: Thanos has super reflexes.

Well, we all read what we want to read, don't we ?