Superman vs Silver surfer

Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
You are stretching.

I'll keep it simple:

- he was wearing the IG, and we both don't know exactly in which way it changed his physical abilities. A bit, quite some or a lot ? I don't know, you don't know.

- not only that, but it can be argued that Surfer missed. The picture is not clear enough.

- we also don't know how fast Surfer was going (probably very fast, I'll give you that), but it still took some time for Surfer to reach Thanos.

You see, too many IF's and we-don't-knows.

You ignore all that, and just say: Thanos has super reflexes.

Well, we all read what we want to read, don't we ?

Wasn't it stated in a what if or in an alternate reality that SS missed? I know it was stated somewhere....

Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
You are stretching.

I'll keep it simple:

- he was wearing the IG, and we both don't know exactly in which way it changed his physical abilities. A bit, quite some or a lot ? I don't know, you don't know.

- not only that, but it can be argued that Surfer missed. The picture is not clear enough.

- we also don't know how fast Surfer was going (probably very fast, I'll give you that), but it still took some time for Surfer to reach Thanos.

You see, too many IF's and we-don't-knows.

You ignore all that, and just say: Thanos has super reflexes.

Well, we all read what we want to read, don't we ?

The PG amps abilities... it never said anything about things like intelligence, etc.

Thanos had his hand in the air, and moved it as soon as he saw Surfer... Surfer didn't miss, as in bad aim. He missed because the target moved before he could grab it.

It took eight panels where Thanos had his hand in the air to travel light years... 😐
He was traveling fast.

I never said he has 'super' reflexes. I said he did have reflexes. OK enough to be able to negate teh pis.

Of course you do.

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Either way... Supes vs Surfer. Some story eh?

I have a lot of What Ifs, some are them are really good (for example the What If's with Conan).

But I don't remember the What If you are talking about.

(I didn't like What If Punisher killed the Marvel Universe. Even for a What If, it was a bit over the top.)

Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
(I didn't like What If Punisher killed the Marvel Universe. Even for a What If, it was a bit over the top.)

Seems promising... 😖hifty:

I already said in the past that Thanos probably has pretty good reflexes. But nothing more.

Back to the fight (finally) : based on feats, I give this to Superman, based on powers, I lean towards Surfer.

They both have the power to beat the living daylights out of each other. If only the fan boys would realize this...

Surfer wont be Ko'ed from supermans punches.
Surfer had withstood planet destroying blast with no harm whatsoever.
He is not weak to physical punishment.
how exactly will superman beat him?

Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
I have a lot of What Ifs, some are them are really good (for example the What If's with Conan).

But I don't remember the What If you are talking about.

(I didn't like What If Punisher killed the Marvel Universe. Even for a What If, it was a bit over the top.)

Wasn't there one where Galactus was Elvis or something ridiculous like that?

Back on topic..the tools to defeat each other are available to each one.

Originally posted by Avlon
Wasn't there one where Galactus was Elvis or something ridiculous like that?

It said he "failed", I believe.

Just to answer your earlier question. 🙂

Also, the one where Galactus got turned into Elvis was awesome.

Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
I don't get it.

Thanos punches Surfer all the time. Even Spider-Man has put up a great fight (well, more or less) against Surfer. And didn't Wolverine cut Surfer once during the Carnage fight ? - I could be wrong though.

Anyways, everybody is talking about Surfers speed and reflexes, but he gets punched and kicked all the freaking time. Sometimes even by low level heroes.

Surfer has of course amazing traveling speed. But fighting speed ? I don't know, he's of course a lot faster than you and me, but does he really have Flash like reflexes like Superman has ? I doubt it.

Originally posted by Inhuman
Surfer wont be Ko'ed from supermans punches.
Surfer had withstood planet destroying blast with no harm whatsoever.
He is not weak to physical punishment.
how exactly will superman beat him?

Originally posted by Inhuman
Surfer wont be Ko'ed from supermans punches.
Surfer had withstood planet destroying blast with no harm whatsoever.
He is not weak to physical punishment.
how exactly will superman beat him?

SS's kryptonite is physical punches. Who are you trying to fool?
Try pulling that stuff on someone who hasn't read a lot of SS.
There are many types of durability. Physical durability (withstanding punches, swords, bullets, etc.), energy durability (withstanding energy blasts, heat, cold, etc.), mental durability (withstanding mental attacks and such), etc. So SS withstanding a blast has nothing to do with taking a punch to the noggin from an uber strong being.

Originally posted by h1a8
SS's kryptonite is physical punches. Who are you trying to fool?
Try pulling that stuff on someone who hasn't read a lot of SS.
There are many types of durability. Physical durability (withstanding punches, swords, bullets, etc.), energy durability (withstanding energy blasts, heat, cold, etc.), mental durability (withstanding mental attacks and such), etc. So SS withstanding a blast has nothing to do with taking a punch to the noggin from an uber strong being.

I bet I can post at least 10X more pics of superman getting punched than you can surfer getting punched.
By your logic then add another weakness to superman. Physical damage. Since superman has been punched thousands of times, sometimes by people way weaker than surfer.
lulz at trying to stick a weakness on surfer.

Silver Surfer 9/10.

Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
Yes he did. What's there to explain ?

Fallen One flew towards Thanos, and Thanos blasted him. Ok, good for Thanos, pretty cool "fight".

Is this however a reflex feat ? Of course not. We don't have the slightest idea how fast Fallen One was flying - again, not the slightest idea.

It would be stupid however to assume Fallen One was going light speed. Theoretically it could be, sure, but it wouldn't make any sense, they were standing - or was it floating - like, I don't know, 20 meters away from each other ?

No no no no no no no. Didnt you see the expression on FO face? Did that look like he was holding back on speed? Who was he fighting? He was fighting Thanos to the death, obvoulsy he was going as fast as he could.

Seriously you want them to write that **** out for you in black and white, just because it doesnt say FTL its speculation. Use some bloody common sense. You see an athlete running from a lion gritting his teeth you think hes holding back on speed.....uh duhhhh havent got a speedometer so we cant be certain.

Originally posted by Kid Kurdy

I know FA is a fast character. So is Surfer. Spider-Man dodged Surfers attacks pretty easily. So did Iron Man once (he lost eventually). Does that make them just as fast as Surfer ? No, of course not, because Surfer didn't travel or fight that fast.

SS has different showings he has also pawned DD and Spiderman at the sametime. 😐

Originally posted by h1a8
From my memory Captain America clearly saw SS go past Thanos.

Talking about this. Where did Cap see him?

http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/113/theinfinitygauntlet0443pu8.jpg
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/9909/theinfinitygauntlet0444le1.jpg

Originally posted by h1a8
SS's kryptonite is physical punches.

Physical punches = Surfer's weakness = never, never, ever, ever (etc) officially stated, not even once. However: one could be tempted to infer this from on-panel events (heck, one could also infer energy blasts as a Surfer weakness based on on-panel events).

In which case, to be consistent: if one is going to infer weakness, then one can infer strengths, such as nanosec/FTL reflexes, especially since said strength is logically consistent with the Surfer's open powerset and other demonstrated abilities. Plus, such reflexes have been demonstrated. Yes, explicitly shown only once, but that's more than an official Surfer weakness has ever been stated.

h1a8: With all due respect, your arguments work best when you stick with literal interpretations of on-panel events or explicitly stated facts.

Originally posted by h1a8
SS's kryptonite is physical punches. Who are you trying to fool?
Try pulling that stuff on someone who hasn't read a lot of SS.
There are many types of durability. Physical durability (withstanding punches, swords, bullets, etc.), energy durability (withstanding energy blasts, heat, cold, etc.), mental durability (withstanding mental attacks and such), etc. So SS withstanding a blast has nothing to do with taking a punch to the noggin from an uber strong being.

This is totally laughable, so now you are desperate enough to come to the conclusion that ss is weak against physical punches 😆 . Supes has gotten bounced around by bricks weaker than him just as much if not more than the surfer but that does not make physical punches his "weakness". That whole superman has what it takes to beat surfer argument (hard punches) is just absurd. I guess wonderwoman, the hulk
namor, wonderman and any other physically extremely strong being also have what it takes to beat surfer right?

Funny how people cook up baseless theories to support characters they like. Also withstanding concussive enrgy blasts and being able to withstand heat and cold are actually unrelated. Actually a concussive force enrgy blast is far more similar to withstanding a punch than it is to withstanding extreme temperature. In fact the surfer could simply throw up a forcefield to protect his already extremely durable self or create an illusion to distract superman and then proceed to annihilate him in a numerous amount of ways.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
No no no no no no no. Didnt you see the expression on FO face? Did that look like he was holding back on speed? Who was he fighting? He was fighting Thanos to the death, obvoulsy he was going as fast as he could.

Of course FO was going fast, but there's fast and Fast. And it doesn't make any sense going light speed - or something like that - when you're opponent is 20 meters away from you.

You accuse me of seeing things black and white, but unlike you, I don't make wild assumptions based on expressions on opponents faces.

But it could be worse. There was even a KMC member who was convinced that FO was traveling light speed, because he "noticed that the stars on the very next panel were in a different position ".

That's when I reach for my revolver...

PS : I even haven't mentioned the fact that no Thanos biography, or Thanos site, mentions him having superior reflexes. Even corvusonline, a great Thanos site with lots and lots of informations about Thanos and every single power he has, admits Thanos has no special reflexes.

Now who's thinking black and white ?

Originally posted by ultimatethor
I guess wonderwoman, the hulk
namor, wonderman and any other physically extremely strong being also have what it takes to beat surfer right?

None of them compare to an all out Superman in any way shape or form.

Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
You are stretching.

I'll keep it simple:

- he was wearing the IG, and we both don't know exactly in which way it changed his physical abilities. A bit, quite some or a lot ? I don't know, you don't know.

- not only that, but it can be argued that Surfer missed. The picture is not clear enough.

- we also don't know how fast Surfer was going (probably very fast, I'll give you that), but it still took some time for Surfer to reach Thanos.

You see, too many IF's and we-don't-knows.

You ignore all that, and just say: Thanos has super reflexes.

Well, we all read what we want to read, don't we ?

if i remember my ig correctly, aw said that they were a around a light year away from the battle field.

say that this is true, so surfer traveled a light year away towards thanos to grap the ig which he just missed coz thanos moved his fist the same time that surfer tried to grab the ig. so how long does it take for thanos to swing his arm. lets say he's slow and it took him a second to move it.

this would mean that the surfer traveled a light year in 1 second....so how fast is this?

well, if i'm not mistaken, a light year is the distance traveled by light in a year.

so, it takes light to travel that distance 365 days
365days = 31,536,000 seconds

so for surfer to travel 1 light year in 1 second, he'd be traveling 31,536,000 times the speed of light!!! holy crap thats fast!!!

and if the's flying or warping that fast, he'd have reflexes to mach these speeds otherwise he wont be able to manuver in space.

Originally posted by Mindship
Kryptonite = Superman's weakness = officially stated many, many, many, many (etc) times.

Physical punches = Surfer's weakness = never, never, ever, ever (etc) officially stated, not even once. However: one could be tempted to infer this from on-panel events (heck, one could also infer energy blasts as a Surfer weakness based on on-panel events).

In which case, to be consistent: if one is going to infer weakness, then one can infer strengths, such as nanosec/FTL reflexes, especially since said strength is logically consistent with the Surfer's open powerset and other demonstrated abilities. Plus, such reflexes have been demonstrated. Yes, explicitly shown only once, but that's more than an official Surfer weakness has ever been stated.

h1a8: With all due respect, your arguments work best when you stick with literal interpretations of on-panel events or explicitly stated facts.

As always you make valid points my friend.

Both characters have more than enough senses to sense out weak points in each others anatomy. My thoughts is that a blood lusted Superman is certainly going to punch much harder than a casual Thanos..and much faster as well.

Based on what I've seen...a standard Imperiex probe is strong enough to physically beat Surfer in fisticuffs and hurt him pretty bad. Superman going out is quite above a probe as seen on panel.

T-vo is more than a great equalizer. with it's insane diversity..and interestingly enough the recent showing with Chris Kent has shown that pretty much all the Supermen can be master energy manipulators..something that Clark started to do with T-vo and should have some experience with since he was Superman Blue for a while.

Surfer at best can probably do what the kryptonian serial killer did...and this guy was as strong as a planet full of superbeings, armed to the teeth with Superman's weaknesses (and using them both proactively and even skillfully) and Superman was still overcoming the guy.

I still stand by what I've said earlier in this thread. They have the tools to beat each other. Half the crap being spewed in this thread is out of character for both. If they met...they probably either wouldnt fight and would admire one anothers spirit or would fly around blasting and punching each other.