Originally posted by pr1983Its entirely possible for the Surfer to do the same thing to him. I guess Supes winning is the norm though. Someone brought up high showings and acted as if energy manipulators cant beat him. Some can and some cant.
using it and talking about it as if its the norm, thats whats wrong.lulz...
Originally posted by h1a8
One form of reflexes and skills not necessary carry over into another type of scenario.
Originally posted by h1a8
If you have read my last quote to darthgoober you would see that I'm not very bias at all. He basically convinced me (with proper scans) that SS has decent enough [B]battle reflexes to fight with Superman. A bias person would still continue to argue.[/B]
Originally posted by h1a8
I don't understand your reasoning here. The scan is common sense (I think). It doesn't make any sense to use someone's regular motion if they are teleporting. SS adjusts his vision to be able to see the guy. The guy is moving along a path and will teleport in probably several seconds to minutes from now (so SS has plenty of time to try to nail him). SS blasts him while he's just plain moving around (not teleporting). SS also blasts him before he decides to teleport ("He [B]seeks to teleport before I can retaliate"😉. I can hit a fast moving car with a snowball (when I was little). Doesn't mean I have super reflexes does it?[/B]
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/6231/silversurfer198902312rp5.jpg
Opponent at mid-teleportation. (just about to teleport) this is when Surfer says, "he seeks to teleport away before i can retaliate."
Surfer looks and see residual energy signature. An after effect from the teleportation..
Surfer then Calculated the trajectory..
Opponent say "Once again.. i elude my pursuer." which would mean teleportation was sucessfull and his at a diff. location..
Surfer Saw the energy signature then took action..
This is how i see the scan.. Teleportation is instantaneous movement, its a very good calculated reaction/reflex feat..
Gott to go back to work... Supervisor is comin..lol
Originally posted by h1a8This is probably the most impressive, courageous post in this whole thread.
I give SS decent enough reflexes and battle speed to battle Superman
Would you at least give Superman a 40-50% chance of landing a blow on SS in this forum fight?Absolutely. I would even give Superman the first blow; though if I were actually gonna write this fight, I would have Surfer strike first with a standard cosmic bolt which bounces off Supes' chest in inimitable Big Blue fashion. Superman rockets in, rocks the Surfer with some blows, and causes Soarin' Norrin to set up a shield (or phase out) which would last just long enough for him to reconsider tactics.
Of course, during the fight, either will think, "This is the toughest opponent I have ever faced!"
Originally posted by RoldzLets take a look at the scan again..
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/6231/silversurfer198902312rp5.jpg
Opponent at mid-teleportation. (just about to teleport) this is when Surfer says, "he seeks to teleport away before i can retaliate."
Surfer looks and see residual energy signature. An after effect from the teleportation..
Surfer then Calculated the trajectory..
Opponent say "Once again.. i elude my pursuer." which would mean teleportation was sucessfull and his at a diff. location..
Surfer Saw the energy signature then took action..
This is how i see the scan.. Teleportation is instantaneous movement, its a very good calculated reaction/reflex feat..
Gott to go back to work... Supervisor is comin..lol
Honestly, I'm having a hard time seeing that scan shows an awesome reflex feat. Teleportation isn't necessarily instantaneous. In star trek it takes several seconds to happen. Plus it would make no sense for SS to talk about "movement and trajectory" when the guy isn't moving but teleporting. SS had to use the guy's movement to nail him, otherwise what was the purpose of SS saying "But since I'm able to see his movement I can calculate his trajectory!" Trajectory implies movement by definition and not teleportation.
Originally posted by h1a8
You must prove that warp speed travel isn't the same to [B]Marvel as hyperspace travel. They seem to interchange the two (like for Gladiator as well). Showing Marvel's definition of one and not the other proves nothing (well you never showed the definition though). Warp speed travel is said many times to be subspace travel. I take it that subspace is hyperspace are the same since they both lie below normal space (a dimension) .
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Warp speed travel manipulates the space-time of normal space (a subspace).
Proof is right on the scan i posted earlier (the diff. between hyperspace and warp space travel in marvel).. here.
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_Vol3-007.jpg
"that realities galaxies streak past them" ...
We are kinda out of topic here..
Originally posted by h1a8
At least give Superman some credit here. You know what he's capable of if he's very determined, right?
Originally posted by h1a8
Honestly, I'm having a hard time seeing that scan shows an awesome reflex feat. Teleportation isn't necessarily instantaneous. In star trek it takes several seconds to happen. Plus it would make no sense for SS to talk about "movement and trajectory" when the guy isn't moving but teleporting. SS had to use the guy's movement to nail him, otherwise what was the purpose of SS saying "But since I'm able to see his movement I can calculate his [B]trajectory!" Trajectory implies movement by definition and not teleportation. [/B]
Yes trajectory does imply movement but it can also be used as a calculation to a destination..
gotta go.. yikes..
I'd give this to Supes. Why, because hes Superman.
Silver Surfer is more powerful in terms of what he can actually do. Meaggan is probably more powerful than Superman but he would still more than likely wipe the floor with her. Everyone has a weakness and Superman's only weakness is kryptonite other than that, what can really stop him. Yeah sure Sperman gets his power from the sun and all Surfer would have to do is destroy it, How much energy is he going to need to do that? He wont be able to do that to all the stars in the galaxy.
Superman for the win
Originally posted by Roldz
Seriously!!! Your analogy is lacking..Funny your one to talked about biased opinions..
Huhh! So the blast attack that comes after the calculation is not a reflex move?
Teleportation is near or instantaneous movement from point a to b.. Being able to calculate a trajectory and take action @ mid teleportation
shows fast (ftl, taking into account other scans) processing and reflex speed.Some defininitions???? Would you kinda explain to me this other definitions?
Anyhow, It matters not really since where going by Marvels definition
and as it explains in Infinity Crusade Crossover (comics published my marvel) Hyperspace is a DIMENSION... PERIODWarp happens by manipulating/bending space time in normal space.. It also allows you to interact with object in normal space.
Where do you see any contradiction? If you meant by Surfers thinking, it is thinking in Super speed ala the way Flash thinks...
"His taking notes by the billion and billions of stars that races past him, any changes is noted in his mind", That is a process done by his mind.
This was to show you that his mind process @ FTL.There is a lot of scans we've provided that shows Surfer reflexes, unfortunately you dont seem to grasp or have a really way off interpretition of those scans..
Heres a quote from you, "Maybe Supes can go FTL the first instant if he's determined enough. Here's something convincing. Fast enough to block HV but not fast enough for Supes himself (Supes is faster than his HV the first instant)
http://img118.imageshack.us/my.php?image=351yc.jpg."
There was no mention of Supes going at FTL speed in that scan but according to you his going @ FTL.. Yet in those scan i posted w/ Surfer being refered to a streak of light just before blitzing his opponent. He also mention himself being able to move faster than light = someone who cant go light or ftl speed in battle.. Double standard are we..lolWe have given you ample of evidence yet you've given as none.. You know your wrong..
I beleived H1A8 is just plain wrong, H1A8 over speculate any day, H1A8 tthinks teh Superman is uber. The same is said with Bat-Kick..lol
I just dont understand, what so good about that superman scan of him punching that guy. I didnt see anything in that scan that would prove to me that even quick silver couldnt do that.
Originally posted by python99
I'd give this to Supes. Why, because hes Superman.
Silver Surfer is more powerful in terms of what he can actually do. Meaggan is probably more powerful than Superman but he would still more than likely wipe the floor with her. Everyone has a weakness and Superman's only weakness is kryptonite other than that, what can really stop him. Yeah sure Sperman gets his power from the sun and all Surfer would have to do is destroy it, How much energy is he going to need to do that? He wont be able to do that to all the stars in the galaxy.
Superman for the win
what can stop superman, well let me think.
Doomsday stopped him.
Titus stopped him.
Mongul stopped him.
Batman with the black rock almost stopped him.
Solomon grundy stopped him.
Captain marvel stopped him.
Batman stalemated him.
Wonderwoman stopped him.
Despero stopped him.
metallo stopped him.
Brainiac stopped him.
max lord stopped him.
The general stopped him.
Kalibak stopped him.
Bizzarro stopped him.
Parasite stopped him.
Would you like for me to continue to name?
Originally posted by carver9
what can stop superman, well let me think.Doomsday stopped him.
Titus stopped him.
Mongul stopped him.
Batman with the black rock almost stopped him.
Solomon grundy stopped him.
Captain marvel stopped him.
Batman stalemated him.
Wonderwoman stopped him.
Despero stopped him.
metallo stopped him.
Brainiac stopped him.
max lord stopped him.
The general stopped him.
Kalibak stopped him.
Bizzarro stopped him.
Parasite stopped him.Would you like for me to continue to name?
All of these people but two would either beat or give surfer trouble.
Five of them would kill him without bfr.
Originally posted by carver9Batman to stalemate without any gadgets and K-nite tricks?? crylaugh Brainaic would outsmart, overcome Surfer, Mongul would rape him along with Despero and Doomsday. Superman can be beaten true, but if he gets angry nothing really can get into his way (well there are characters of course). Superman can move at multiple times sound speed without charging himself. My question is now how would Surfer beat someone who is truly physically superior, faster then him plus has more experience than him, not to mention his other abiltites. Plus Supes knows how to ambar somone uhuh
what can stop superman, well let me think.Doomsday stopped him.
Titus stopped him.
Mongul stopped him.
Batman with the black rock almost stopped him.
Solomon grundy stopped him.
Captain marvel stopped him.
Batman stalemated him.
Wonderwoman stopped him.
Despero stopped him.
metallo stopped him.
Brainiac stopped him.
max lord stopped him.
The general stopped him.
Kalibak stopped him.
Bizzarro stopped him.
Parasite stopped him.Would you like for me to continue to name?
Originally posted by Rewmac
Batman to stalemate without any gadgets and K-nite tricks?? crylaugh Brainaic would outsmart, overcome Surfer, Mongul would rape him along with Despero and Doomsday. Superman can be beaten true, but if he gets angry nothing really can get into his way (well there are characters of course). Superman can move at multiple times sound speed without charging himself. My question is now how would Surfer beat someone who is truly physically superior, faster then him plus has more experience than him, not to mention his other abiltites. Plus Supes knows how to ambar somone uhuh
Batman has already stalemated superman that was controlled by darkseid and almost killed him when he was possessed by the black rock.
OHHHHHHHHHH, so no one can stop a angry, none holding back superman, can we ask wonderwoman that. The sad thing about it, he got a good wif of the sun rays and still got owned by wonderwoman (that was holding back and didnt even go all out on superman). A black adam that wasnt even trying to fight superman stalemated a superman that wasnt holding back.
Orion physically stalemated a none holding back superman, hell doomsday killed a none holding back superman.
By the way, I think that surfer could beat despero, lately doomsday havent proven anything to even make me think that he would last an hour against surfer. Mongul would get slaughtered by surfer along with a lot of the other people on my list.
I got a question for you. Surfer fought two being by himself during annihilation and each of them was equal to power of galactus. Surfer beat both of them by himself but doomsday got crushed by a blast from imperex. Now lets put two and two together, do you think that imperex is more powerful then two galactus? 😮
Originally posted by carver9
I just dont understand, what so good about that superman scan of him punching that guy. I didnt see anything in that scan that would prove to me that even quick silver couldnt do that.
Originally posted by Rewmac
Batman to stalemate without any gadgets and K-nite tricks?? crylaugh Brainaic would outsmart, overcome Surfer, Mongul would rape him along with Despero and Doomsday. Superman can be beaten true, but if he gets angry nothing really can get into his way (well there are characters of course). Superman can move at multiple times sound speed without charging himself. My question is now how would Surfer beat someone who is truly physically superior, faster then him plus has more experience than him, not to mention his other abiltites. Plus Supes knows how to ambar somone uhuh
