Originally posted by quanchi112
I agree its impressive but we dont know how impressive it is. Thats his point there are a lot of unknown variables to this feat.It was a weapon capable of killing the old gods but this has nothing to do with its size.
i never said it did. but any machine that large would require massive amounts of power to run it. if it ran on something star trek like, it wouldnt need all of those gears, yet it did.
imo, its like asking the question 'is it really really impressive? or really really really really impressive?'
Originally posted by Raoul
feats. plural. 😬warworld. doomsday. gog. black adam. konvict. darkseid. orion. infinity man.
and thats just for starters...
Why did you name all of them, I thought you were going to give me a reason in comics that has happened that make you think that superman can oneshot a planet.
Originally posted by RaoulI can live with that. The only reason I even brought this up is to prove this feat doesnt prove that Superman can oneshot planets.
i never said it did. but any machine that large would require massive amounts of power to run it. if it ran on something star trek like, it wouldnt need all of those gears, yet it did.imo, its like asking the question 'is it really really impressive? or really really really really impressive?'
Originally posted by carver9
Why did you name all of them, I thought you were going to give me a reason in comics that has happened that make you think that superman can oneshot a planet.
😐 i thought you said you read superman comics?
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/187/v2215shakeplanetwithpunsn7.jpg
Originally posted by darthgoober
But what evidence is there to suggest that he'd get the first shot in on Surfer?
The evidence that SS hasn't shown any instant pivotal speed from rest. He has shown his ability to getting popped by many who are arguably slower than Superman though. Also theres the evidence that SS hasn't shown the ability to move his bodily members fast enough to deal with a fast speed blitz.
Superman could possibly instantly zip appear behind him before he is capable of turning around and get the first shot in. Or Superman will simply pop him in the face with one of his millions of billions of punches thrown in the first fraction of a sec.
SS has no blocking skills as someone who is skilled at h2h fighting such as WW. I may know how to hit a 95mph baseball but not have the skill to block a 60mph punch (or a multiple of them). So SS's speed and reflexes have little to do with his ability to skillfully move to block and counter multiple attacks from someone in h2h fighting.
Originally posted by h1a8
The evidence that SS hasn't shown any instant pivotal speed from rest. He has shown his ability to getting popped by many who are arguably slower than Superman though. Also theres the evidence that SS hasn't shown the ability to move his bodily members fast enough to deal with a fast speed blitz.
http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/1663/silversurferannual0124na7.jpg
http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/9906/p3silversurferv309016gd0.jpg
http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/1355/annihilationsilversurfexe9.jpg
http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/8742/silversurfer198902524tv8.jpg
http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/8210/silversurfer198902121my5.jpg
http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/8241/thor47014fn6.jpg
http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/7526/silversurferv3146p12if3.jpg
Now I know there's at least one scan of Supes doing the same, but I can almost guarantee you won't find a scan of current Supes blitzing at faster than light speeds. The fact that Surfer isn't likely to punch Supes a thousand times a second doesn't mean he can't raise a force field to interrupt or blast away at Supes before he ever comes within arms reach. You have to remember that there's a .5 kilometer distance between the combatants and Supes has to close the gap before he can land a punch.
Originally posted by h1a8
Superman could possibly instantly zip appear behind him before he is capable of turning around and get the first shot in. Or Superman will simply pop him in the face with one of his millions of billions of punches thrown in the first fraction of a sec.
Originally posted by h1a8
SS has no blocking skills as someone who is skilled at h2h fighting such as WW. I may know how to hit a 95mph baseball but not have the skill to block a 60mph punch (or a multiple of them). So SS's speed and reflexes have little to do with his ability to skillfully move to block and counter multiple attacks from someone in h2h fighting.
Originally posted by h1a8
The evidence that SS hasn't shown any instant pivotal speed from rest. He has shown his ability to getting popped by many who are arguably slower than Superman though. Also theres the evidence that SS hasn't shown the ability to move his bodily members fast enough to deal with a fast speed blitz.Superman could possibly instantly zip appear behind him before he is capable of turning around and get the first shot in. Or Superman will simply pop him in the face with one of his millions of billions of punches thrown in the first fraction of a sec.
SS has no blocking skills as someone who is skilled at h2h fighting such as WW. I may know how to hit a 95mph baseball but not have the skill to block a 60mph punch (or a multiple of them). So SS's speed and reflexes have little to do with his ability to skillfully move to block and counter multiple attacks from someone in h2h fighting.
This reasoning is extremely xtremely faulty. Firstly yes SS has not shown the ability to move his bodily memebers as fast as supes but SS has shown howvwer that he thinks and can process info at a far faster rate. While travelling at multiple times the speed of light, SS was able to recognize the position of evry star he went passed( millions) and thus use that to calaculate his direct position in the universe. All this is done in fractions of a second obviously and is proof of SS processing capability.
Now if superman tried to initiate a blitz, SS would undoubtedly see it come. All that would be in question would be as u said his ability to skillfully block or dodge it etc. I wonder howeevr why u insist SS has to block or dodge supermans punches to avoid the attack. Considering the speed at which SS can process info, As he sees ythe attack coming all he would need is half a thought( at SS thinking speed of course) to throw up a forcefield or change his molecular structure to make himself intangible.
Once the initial superman barrage attempt has failed SS can immediately initiate a blitz of his own in the next fraction of a second, comprising millions of high level cosmic enrgy blasts. Further SS could easily throw up a high level forcefield round superman just as quickly as he could do it around himself. Once supes is inside he could then change it into a Kryptonite sphere or send supes back in time.
Originally posted by ultimatethor
This reasoning is extremely xtremely faulty. Firstly yes SS has not shown the ability to move his bodily memebers as fast as supes but SS has shown howvwer that he thinks and can process info at a far faster rate. While travelling at multiple times the speed of light, SS was able to recognize the position of evry star he went passed( millions) and thus use that to calaculate his direct position in the universe. All this is done in fractions of a second obviously and is proof of SS processing capability.Now if superman tried to initiate a blitz, SS would undoubtedly see it come. All that would be in question would be as u said his ability to skillfully block or dodge it etc. I wonder howeevr why u insist SS has to block or dodge supermans punches to avoid the attack. Considering the speed at which SS can process info, As he sees ythe attack coming all he would need is half a thought( at SS thinking speed of course) to throw up a forcefield or change his molecular structure to make himself intangible.
Once the initial superman barrage attempt has failed SS can immediately initiate a blitz of his own in the next fraction of a second, comprising millions of high level cosmic enrgy blasts. Further SS could easily throw up a high level forcefield round superman just as quickly as he could do it around himself. Once supes is inside he could then change it into a Kryptonite sphere or send supes back in time.
Thats all high speculation with almost no grounds to support, as ive said repeatly in this thread in terms of combat speed and h2h Supes>SS...hell its even WW>SS in that degree. Further more why didnt SS do this to thor or any other high heralds hes encountered. Could it be that SS stats r greatly overatted and he may in fact not be capable of doing anything u just suggested in that context. Lets go by on panel feats here and not"but he could or he should"mentally. H2H wise Supes takes it easily, but since I think SS will keep it at a distance he takes the majorty due to k-nite bolts.
Originally posted by darthgoober
You don't really think of Supes as being as skilled as WW do you?
I wouldn't necessarily say that Supes is as skilled as WW but he is a far better H2H fighter than most give him credit for nowadays. He's used pressure points, Batman like agility, Powers in combination (heat, ice, wind, and punches) at the same time.
Hell, I've even seen him use a kick here and there. In the old days Superman hardly ever used anything outside of his fists.
Are there any true portrayals of SS using speed in battle? Particularly IF he gets knocked off his board and has to fight on foot or floating in space?
Originally posted by AvlonYou do realize he can summon his board back to himself immediately and probably use it to get a boardshot to the head of Superman while he is at it.
I wouldn't necessarily say that Supes is as skilled as WW but he is a far better H2H fighter than most give him credit for nowadays. He's used pressure points, Batman like agility, Powers in combination (heat, ice, wind, and punches) at the same time.Hell, I've even seen him use a kick here and there. In the old days Superman hardly ever used anything outside of his fists.
Are there any true portrayals of SS using speed in battle? Particularly IF he gets knocked off his board and has to fight on foot or floating in space?
How often does he fight as tactical as you say? I have seen many Superman battles and he is usually punching and just brawling rarely if ever I bet has he used pressure points.
How many examples of this do you have?
Originally posted by quanchi112
You do realize he can summon his board back to himself immediately and probably use it to get a boardshot to the head of Superman while he is at it.
Duh. We all know he can summon his board. However, all of Surfers best speed feats seem to be on his board and even then his fight speed seems to not be great. While he may be able to summon his board, in the middle of a H2H SS isn't shown as fast.
Originally posted by quanchi112
How often does he fight as tactical as you say? I have seen many Superman battles and he is usually punching and just brawling rarely if ever I bet has he used pressure points.How many examples of this do you have?
He fights tactical in most of his fights. Now if you mean as in fighting skill then there are still plenty of showings. The respect thread shows more than enough. Feel free to take a look.
So since you felt free to jump into a question for Darth perhaps you want to volunteer some examples?
Originally posted by AvlonYes on his board but if hes knocked off his board Supes will be at a disadvantage because if he is engaging the Surfer then that will take his attention away from Surfer's board freeing him up and making him susceptible to a nice head whammy.
Duh. We all know he can summon his board. However, all of Surfers best speed feats seem to be on his board and even then his fight speed seems to not be great. While he may be able to summon his board, in the middle of a H2H SS isn't shown as fast.He fights tactical in most of his fights. Now if you mean as in fighting skill then there are still plenty of showings. The respect thread shows more than enough. Feel free to take a look.
So since you felt free to jump into a question for Darth perhaps you want to volunteer some examples?
You claimed something and you refer me to the respect thread when its something you claimed. Ok...Do you realize how big his respect thread is.
Give me some examples of him fighting in this manner then.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes on his board but if hes knocked off his board Supes will be at a disadvantage because if he is engaging the Surfer then that will take his attention away from Surfer's board freeing him up and making him susceptible to a nice head whammy.You claimed something and you refer me to the respect thread when its something you claimed. Ok...Do you realize how big his respect thread is.
Give me some examples of him fighting in this manner then.
You also came in and and tried to answer a question with a question. So answer the question first with proof and examples.
Seeing as Supes has defeated entire groups at high speeds, a significantly slower Surfer under assault, and his board are actually easier targets.
Originally posted by ultimatethor
This reasoning is extremely xtremely faulty. Firstly yes SS has not shown the ability to move his bodily memebers as fast as supes but SS has shown howvwer that he thinks and can process info at a far faster rate. While travelling at multiple times the speed of light, SS was able to recognize the position of evry star he went passed( millions) and thus use that to calaculate his direct position in the universe. All this is done in fractions of a second obviously and is proof of SS processing capability.Now if superman tried to initiate a blitz, SS would undoubtedly see it come. All that would be in question would be as u said his ability to skillfully block or dodge it etc. I wonder howeevr why u insist SS has to block or dodge supermans punches to avoid the attack. Considering the speed at which SS can process info, As he sees ythe attack coming all he would need is half a thought( at SS thinking speed of course) to throw up a forcefield or change his molecular structure to make himself intangible.
Once the initial superman barrage attempt has failed SS can immediately initiate a blitz of his own in the next fraction of a second, comprising millions of high level cosmic enrgy blasts. Further SS could easily throw up a high level forcefield round superman just as quickly as he could do it around himself. Once supes is inside he could then change it into a Kryptonite sphere or send supes back in time.
Let's look at your reasoning. Surfer somehow is going to throw millions of cosmic blast at a high speed moving target. I've never seen him do anything close to that. Then he's supposed to figure out superman's weaknesses while at the same time doging infinity man level punches and counter attacking. He's going to go intangible and that is supposed to stop superman, who has vibrated to match intangible things before? And surfer is supposed to be faster than Superman who flew from the Earth to the end of the known universe in less than a second?
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes on his board but if hes knocked off his board Supes will be at a disadvantage because if he is engaging the Surfer then that will take his attention away from Surfer's board freeing him up and making him susceptible to a nice head whammy.You claimed something and you refer me to the respect thread when its something you claimed. Ok...Do you realize how big his respect thread is.
Give me some examples of him fighting in this manner then.
How about giving some examples of SS fighting or moving at high speeds that didnt require his board. Or show me a combat speed feat and not a travelling feat with him racing down a straight line. It's amazing some folks here assume SS is going to dogde Supes punches in h2h even in spite of norin never demonstrated any high combat speed feats.
Originally posted by janus77
how about when he speed-blitzed an Armada or when he literally ran circles round Deathurge telling him he [Deathurge] couldn't hit Surfer if Surfer didn't want him to.or what about Surfer dodging asteroid showers whilst flying at FTL. that requires many multiples of FTL reaction speeds.
Not doubting his navigation reflexes, but being a good pilot is very different from being a good h2h fighter.
