Originally posted by The Great Galen
LMAO, listen uiltimatewhore u gotta stop it with the bias fanboy shit. SS has been smacked around by Thanos for decades and Thor has always had his number. It stops being PIS when it happens consitently...and in this case SS has not demonstrated the battle abilities u and the other nughuggers have claimed he could. Check and mate so lets plz close down this thread before theys guys start coming in with there "made up"wank post.
Could i expect anything better from a poster such as urself? Of course not. How many SS comics have u evn read? Obviously not that many cuz if u did u would know that SS has only fought thor twice regularly and once in WM. I really dont know why i expected u to come up with a sane answer. SS has not shown the battle abilities ive mentioned? All i mentioned was SS creating forcefields and i posted like 10 scans of him doing this in this particular thread. You obviously choose to ignore what shows that u r completely confused and usually have absolutely nothing to contribute to threads. SS has been smacked around by thanos alot, and that i agree with. Howvwer this is due to the fact that thanos has taken SS best blasts without batting an eyelid while the same cant be said of SS. SS has no way to hurt thanos so i ask u how u expect him to win? You probabaly wont answer as usual and will then proceed to call me an SS fanboy or some other senseless babble. Having any discussion with u is an utter waste of time and enrgy because u hardly read comics and proceed to make stupid comments on characters u dont know shit about. U really r one laughable individual.
By the way what the hell is a nughugger? You really are ridiculous 😆 😂 🤣
What about Superman's HV or CB? I know his energy blasts aren't as flamboyant as SS, but they're effective and powerful. Supes current has downed Despero and DS with HV, so I don't think his long range attacks should just be ignored just because he's fighting an energy manipulator. Taking the fight h2h is still one of the best options to take and he will most likely do, but he still have other abilities that shouldn't be overlooked.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Warned for continued off topic nonsense after several on thread requests to drop the matter or take it to a PM.
What PIS? I posted that scan. How is that PIS? How is using BPvSS not PIS and using the scan I posted PIS? Fact is, some people don't want to recognize the overall truth: "Superman has NO nanosecond combat speed feats and Silver Surfer does." Don't front with your supposed superiority over others and expect me to look past your double standards.
Fine. As he said. This ain't up to discussion or debate. Mods have discretion. I still call utter bullcrap. You want to maintain consistency and order, I don't see how you could ignore other poster's constantly harping about Silver Surfer getting ambushed by Black Panther and not respond to them in kind either. I may not have reported them and I'm pretty sure other posters like Quanchi112 haven't reported them either, because it's totally expected in a controversial debate. But just because they get a kick out of using the report button and we don't, is no reason to deal with us differently. Nobody here ever told debators to shut the hell up about Surfer's low feats. Once I got told to not do that, I turned right around and started engaging in a lowball game. After all, it's easily countered as semantic nonsense. But as far as I see, people have only been told to shut the hell up about Superman's low feats. That's not cool and that's not evenhanded. So until I'm warned or told to shut up about Superman's low feats, here are a few others...Oops. Superman knew that people would be killed in the Middle East. But guess what? He's too late. Not quite as embarassing as not being able to save some people within the same town since he has to travel halfway across the world... but still, I'm sure those innocent people would have liked living... shame that:
Oops. Guess Plasmus must have light-speed reflexes eh? Even Superman couldn't get out of his way:
Oops. Wow... this Atlas dude must have FTL combat speed to nail Superman a good one. Especially since later on Superman himself admits that round one was Atlas'. So much for Superman's combat speed:
As I said in my original post. I personally don't approve of lowballing characters while ignoring their high feats and/or average feats. But hey... if you want to engage in that contest, trust me... I didn't take my position that Silver Surfer could handle Superman's speed without considering both characters' high, average and low feats together. My two cents. Anybody is free to call me out on pointing out low feats as long as they recognize that I won't give deference to other people throwing out low feats on the other side.
Originally posted by dvampire
What about Superman's HV or CB? I know his energy blasts aren't as flamboyant as SS, but they're effective and powerful. Supes current has downed Despero and DS with HV, so I don't think his long range attacks should just be ignored just because he's fighting an energy manipulator. Taking the fight h2h is still one of the best options to take and he will most likely do, but he still have other abilities that shouldn't be overlooked.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Because Surfer's pretty much immune to temperature extremes so HV and CB shouldn't do much..
How is he immune to HV? It's alot more powerful than the sun btw. And has koed DS and Despero with it, which could mean that it's also packing some heavy concussive force behind it.
Originally posted by darthgoober
I never suggested that it was done with malicious intent. I never said that you and quan did the same thing for the same reason, I was comparing the effect(basing an argument on a low showing) not the cause.
Bull. Feel free to believe what you wish though.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Nonsense...Surfer tracking and reacting to someone TELEPORTING behind him…
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/6231/silversurfer198902312rp5.jpgSurfer blocking an energy blast after it's fired…
http://img60.imageshack.us/img60/4254/silversurferannual0124re5.jpgSurfer dodging energy blast after they’re fired while on his board…
http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/6328/silversurferannual0624rx0.jpg
http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/37/silversurferannual0625rl2.jpgSurfer ducking beneath an energy blast after it's fired while OFF his board…
http://img60.imageshack.us/img60/8656/silversurferv306409hn2.jpg
Nonsense is right. Dodging laser feats are nothing special in comics. Captain America has SS beat by a fair amount if this is what you are going by:
http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/9139/gambit05115fh.jpg
http://img108.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc17&image=69f_batagile12e.jpg
http://img296.imageshack.us/my.php?image=a4zd3.jpg
http://img149.imageshack.us/my.php?image=a5cm4.jpg
Originally posted by darthgoober
That scan had nothing to do with a comparison between between Supes and Surfer's speed, it was brought up as a specific contradiction of the BP/Surfer encounter. That's why I specifically said...Now I know you're going to say something to the effect
...but may I ask who? Dodging a bullet after it's fired is considered a major feat for a street level character and an impressive feat for a low meta character, so who are all these regular humans that have scans of their dodging/reacting to energy blast and lasers after they're fired floating around?
Look back up at the scans. They are actually more impressive than what you have posted in regards to laser reflexes/speed. As for what I meant with the scan. YOU are going to tell ME what I meant?
Here are some more examples of speed from Supes.
http://img525.imageshack.us/my.php?image=37951180lp5.jpg
Live in 2 COMPLETELY different cities performing complex actions.
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff144/KMCSuperman/c16.jpg
Originally posted by darthgoober
If kept in character the way you're speaking of(which happens to be incorrect by forum standards), speed's not going to be a factor at all because Supes isn't going to use any. And since Surfer's blast have more impressive showings of power output(like a single blast creating a blackhole), I'd say that the scenario favors him since the two have comparable durability and Surfer's blast will let him keep distance between the two.
So let me get this straight... Surfer creates black holes more than Superman uses speed? Not like it matters since creating a black hole won't affect Supes and will slow down SS where he's an easy target.
You can't even prove that CA will determine kryptonite nor can you prove that he could create it. As a matter of fact, you're still working on viable speed feats in battle.
Originally posted by darthgoober
People don't debate T-Vo because it's too ill-defined to do so effectively. It would be like bringing up She-Hulk's 4th wall combat options in a serious debate. Besides, I think that if Supes pulls himself and someone else onto the astral plane he's committed technically a self BFR because he voluntarily left the battlefield.
An on panel power that has been used multiple times is now equated to breaking the 4th wall? Because YOU don't understand it, it doesn't make it any less viable. Sorry, that's not how we debate here.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Meh...
Is correct. This is old. It's obvious we aren't going to convince each other.
Originally posted by dvampire
What about Superman's HV or CB? I know his energy blasts aren't as flamboyant as SS, but they're effective and powerful. Supes current has downed Despero and DS with HV, so I don't think his long range attacks should just be ignored just because he's fighting an energy manipulator. Taking the fight h2h is still one of the best options to take and he will most likely do, but he still have other abilities that shouldn't be overlooked.
Really his HV will be inneffective considering the that SS is almost totally immune to heat and has flown through supernovas unharmed. Not to mention has can easily absorb it like he did firelords blasts.
Originally posted by dvampire
How is he immune to HV?
Originally posted by dvampire
It's alot more powerful than the sun btw. And has koed DS and Despero with it, which could mean that it's also packing some heavy concussive force behind it.
Originally posted by Avlon
Nonsense is right. Dodging laser feats are nothing special in comics. Captain America has SS beat by a fair amount if this is what you are going by:http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/9139/gambit05115fh.jpg
http://img108.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc17&image=69f_batagile12e.jpg
Actually guys like captain ameerica rely more on timing than speed, when it comes to dodging lasers and bullets. Cap evn comments on the importance of getting the right timing in one of the scans. dodging/blocking a blast after its fired shows actual speed.
Originally posted by ultimatethor
Actually guys like captain ameerica rely more on timing than speed, when it comes to dodging lasers and bullets. Cap evn comments on the importance of getting the right timing in one of the scans. dodging/blocking a blast after its fired shows actual speed.
According to others, even if that was the case you would still have to be faster than light and even more insanely fast against multiple lasers.
Lasers are huge jobbers in media altogether..which is why I don't agree with using them as a standard.
Look at all lasers there. Cap isn't even looking at all of them.
I'm out for tonight, as much fun as some of you guys are...my girlfriend is a LOT more fun. 😉
Nite.
Originally posted by Avlon
According to others, even if that was the case you would still have to be faster than light and even more insanely fast against multiple lasers.Lasers are huge jobbers in media altogether..which is why I don't agree with using them as a standard.
Look at all lasers there. Cap isn't even looking at all of them.
I'm out for tonight, as much fun as some of you guys are...my girlfriend is a LOT more fun. 😉
Nite.
Well i dont think ud have to b faster than light to avoid them the way cap did. But u would have to have extremely fast brain processing capabilities and godly coordination and precision. That being said i kinda agree with not using lasers as a standard cuzof there mixed history but thats just me.
lol
Out of all the ways Superman could potentially "beat" Surfer, stuff like HV and freeze breath are probably the LEAST likely ever.
Supermans best bet here is some sort of magical suckerpunch for the KO.
...Unfortunately Surfer's cosmic awareness + ability to detect life forms from over 500 light years away prevent this.
Besides...even if Superman could do damage with his HV, Surfer has Self-Sustenance at a rate rivaling other cosmic entities. Still a humorous thought though.
Actually the more I think about this, the less I'd like to actually see the result. Who would really want to see Superman get wrecked like this really? He's not such a bad guy.
