Originally posted by batdude123Interesting. Then how did Superman do the Boom Tube thing to get to the Wall? Borrowed what Batman was using? Used his own power?
Darkseid doesn't use a boom tube. He does it under his own power.
In any event, it wasn't like he actually flew through all the intervening space.
how is this "debate" even going?
other than a few deranged Superman fanboys, everyone else realises Superman loses to Surfer, it's pretty much inevitable given Surfer's superior powers and powerset.
Speed, stamina, versatility, power, range and of course Cosmic Awareness... Superman cannot win against Surfer.
Originally posted by janus77
how is this "debate" even going?
other than a few deranged Superman fanboys, everyone else realises Superman loses to Surfer, it's pretty much inevitable given Surfer's superior powers and powerset.Speed, stamina, versatility, power, range and of course Cosmic Awareness... Superman cannot win against Surfer.
Deranged Supes fanboys...and you call not making up abilites and situations on the fly deranged. Or how about completly overlooking SS natural battle tendencies to have him "react"in battle in ways which he hardly does. The only thing SS has over Supes is k-nite and red sun...but for a guy with so much versatility I find it funny how badly he does agaisnt characters more poweful then as opposed to Supes. The match can go either way....
Deranged Supes fanboys...and you call not making up abilites and situations on the fly deranged. Or how about completly overlooking SS natural battle tendencies to have him "react"in battle in ways which he hardly does. The only thing SS has over Supes is k-nite and red sun...but for a guy with so much versatility I find it funny how badly he does agaisnt characters more poweful then as opposed to Supes. The match can go either way....
Not really. As has been shown by a few people in here with some scans, even not using the PC Surfer is equal to Supes in strength and faster than him.
Heck, the very fact that you're having to put limits on what powers SS is using proves he's the superior combatant.
Originally posted by fascistcrusader
Not really. As has been shown by a few people in here with some scans, even not using the PC Surfer is equal to Supes in strength and faster than him.Heck, the very fact that you're having to put limits on what powers SS is using proves he's the superior combatant.
Exactly how is physically equal to SUpes and in what regard is he faster.If you mean his flight speed then yeah I would agree with that but plz stop with the basless claims of him being physically equal to Supes.
Exactly how is physically equal to SUpes and in what regard is he faster.If you mean his flight speed then yeah I would agree with that but plz stop with the basless claims of him being physically equal to Supes.
Baselss? I'm sorry friend, but the only thing here with no evidence is your claims of Superman's superiority. You were just shown several scans, even ones without the PC, that put him on the same level as Superman physically. You have yet to provide any shred of evidence that Kal EL is significantly stronger. Not to mention that Surfer has the better durability and no exploitable weaknesses.
Its cool if you like Superman and other Kryptonians, but don't let your enjoyment of a character cloud your view of reality.
Based on?That's what I would like to know.
You can't have already forgotten a post from a page ago.
Looks to have stopped it with his hands pretty easily. And then we have the Planet Hulk storyline, in which the Surfer is severely weakened from landing on Sakaar and cut off from the Power Cosmic. Yet he does this:http://img65.imageshack.us/img65/37...ulk95012gs9.jpg
Pay attention to the upper two panels. Surfer literally physically overpowers Hulk. Which is more than Juggernaut could do in the World War Hulk arc. So as we see, Norrin should be able to lift well in excess of 150 billion tons, without amping.
Originally posted by fascistcrusader
Baselss? I'm sorry friend, but the only thing here with no evidence is your claims of Superman's superiority. You were just shown several scans, even ones without the PC, that put him on the same level as Superman physically. You have yet to provide any shred of evidence that Kal EL is significantly stronger. Not to mention that Surfer has the better durability and no exploitable weaknesses.Its cool if you like Superman and other Kryptonians, but don't let your enjoyment of a character cloud your view of reality.
So SS has moved a solar system sized object and planetoids, has his punches ever been stated as being potent enough to even destroy a dwarf planet while holding back. Given by the way he handles agaisnt Thanos on a consistent basis how would you think he is physically equal to him....to my knowledge Supes has actually been able to physically hurt foes beyond his tier unlike SS. Untill you get some "real"Scans that don't invovle some obsurd amount of assumption..then you're claims are completly baseless.
Superman has fought Lobo who has Held a box that had the weight of the Universe.
Superman and Wonder Woman held the infinite conciousness of eternity housed in the Spectre's body.
Superman and a Captain Marvel held a book with infinite Pages.
Superman has punshed S'ivvaa the World Ender.
turned the wheels of mageddon.
It's not up for debate. Neither the Hulk nor surfer are in Superman's strength range. That part of the debate is over.
