Originally posted by fangirl101
Superman has fought Lobo who has Held a box that had the weight of the Universe.Superman and Wonder Woman held the infinite conciousness of eternity housed in the Spectre's body.
Superman and a Captain Marvel held a book with infinite Pages.
Superman has punshed S'ivvaa the World Ender.
turned the wheels of mageddon.
It's not up for debate. Neither the Hulk nor surfer are in Superman's strength range. That part of the debate is over.
Originally posted by fangirl101
Superman has fought Lobo who has Held a box that had the weight of the Universe.Superman and Wonder Woman held the infinite conciousness of eternity housed in the Spectre's body.
Superman and a Captain Marvel held a book with infinite Pages.
Superman has punshed S'ivvaa the World Ender.
turned the wheels of mageddon.
It's not up for debate. Neither the Hulk nor surfer are in Superman's strength range. That part of the debate is over.
Originally posted by EnyalusExactly. SS is capable of incredibly high speeds and has been shown blitzing people outright.
And I'm about to ruin some Superman fans night. Because whereas no one can apparently "quantify" Superman's blitz speed, I've done exactly that with the Silver Surfer. Let's begin, shall we?
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/4062/theinfinitygauntlet0442nt1.jpg
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/113/theinfinitygauntlet0443pu8.jpg
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/9909/theinfinitygauntlet0444le1.jpgThe credit for those scans go to Darthgoober. Previous to the initial scan, it's stated that Surfer and Warlock are a little over a light-year's distance away. Now, how far is that, might you ask? Well, the answer is 5.879 trillion miles. And keep in mind that they are at a further distance than this - by how much is unknown.
Now, how much time do you think it would take for someone who has already pulled their fist back - ready to punch - to actually start their downswing? Rough estimate...one second. You could say longer, but I think anyone who does would be ridiculous. Not only that, but as its stated they are over a light-year's distance away, and yet I'm only using one light-year flat - I'd say saying 1 second is just fine. The speed of light is 186,282 miles per second. Guess what that means?
The Silver Surfer blitzed Thanos at 31,559,678 times light speed. No, you're reading that correctly. Over 31 million times the speed of light. You want proof he can do such a thing without missing? Okay.
Scan credit for those go to Ambient and Darthgoober.
Now then - from here on out, I don't want to hear any garbage about Superman being faster than SS or Superman blitzing Norrin. Because, until you can prove that Superman's speedblitz even approaches 15 million times light speed, you don't have a case in that department.
That's a rush...and not a particularly good one since he rushed (on his board..) an unaware Thanos (who's far slower) and still missed.
If you want something quantifiable, here is Superman standing still..and rubbing his hands fast enough to be able to seal a temporal breach like it's a common everyday occurence.
rebuilding a city in seconds.
As for SS doing fine against Hulk, he're supes defeating both Lobo AND Lar Gand (Daxamite) who both possess Superspeed which is far more impressive.
As for strength... he's lifted a book of unlimited pages, the weight of eternity in spectre, and has punched with unlimited force in which nothing in the universe could stop it. There is no comparison there.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Everything is up for debate...
Originally posted by fangirl101Do you really want go down this road of low showings.
Then show me why Hulk who I guess is being used to give Surfer some form of Credit, is anywhere near Superman in Strength. When he couldn't Own Sentry. Who's had trouble with Namor and a helicarrier?
I have never seen Surfer nor the Hulk do anything remotely suggesting that either are anywhere near Superman's level of strength.
You dont want me harping on low showings.
Your post reeks of ignorance and bias against the Hulk.
Originally posted by fangirl101
Then show me why Hulk who I guess is being used to give Surfer some form of Credit, is anywhere near Superman in Strength. When he couldn't Own Sentry. Who's had trouble with Namor and a helicarrier?
I have never seen Surfer nor the Hulk do anything remotely suggesting that either are anywhere near Superman's level of strength.
Originally posted by Avlon
That's a rush...and not a particularly good one since he rushed (on his board..) an unaware Thanos (who's far slower) and still missed.If you want something quantifiable, here is Superman standing still..and rubbing his hands fast enough to be able to seal a temporal breach like it's a common everyday occurence.
rebuilding a city in seconds.
As for SS doing fine against Hulk, he're supes defeating both Lobo AND Lar Gand (Daxamite) who both possess Superspeed which is far more impressive.
Originally posted by fangirl101
Nah. even Hulk's highest showings don't measure up. I"ve read the respect threads and I read Hulk for years. Actually until that God aweful World War Hulk storyline came.
Originally posted by darthgoober
😂 I hope you're kidding. Hulk's best feats of pure strength easily put him on par with Supes's because Supes's best are invalid due to being flight aided. There's the book thing that I still mean to check out, but at best a one time showing of "lifting infinity" with help through pure physical strength would be an instance of SvFL at best and would still be matched by things like Hulk keeping the matter and anti-matter sphere separated(which was portrayed as being impossible in the story).
Originally posted by fangirl101Anyone who says the Hulk isnt that strong is clearly out of his/her mind. Seriously,if you dont think he is strong and that his feats all suck how can you expect anyone to even take anything you say seriously. This is the most ignorant argument I have ever heard.
Nah. even Hulk's highest showings don't measure up. I"ve read the respect threads and I read Hulk for years. Actually until that God aweful World War Hulk storyline came.
I guarantee you havent read the Hulk for years or read planet or WW Hulk. If I asked you questions you would just not reply to them.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Anyone who says the Hulk isnt that strong is clearly out of his/her mind. Seriously,if you dont think he is strong and that his feats all suck how can you expect anyone to even take anything you say seriously. This is the most ignorant argument I have ever heard.I guarantee you havent read the Hulk for years or read planet or WW Hulk. If I asked you questions you would just not reply to them.
Originally posted by fangirl101
You take flight into account too much. And it would be the third time he's done something similiar. the Spectre feat being one. And fighting Lobo who has lifted the weight of the universe would be the 2nd. Propulsion doesn't explain the spectre feat since he wasn't moving. He was stationary.
And whether he was moving or not, if Supes feat weren't planted directly on the ground he was flying and that takes it out of the realm of a feat of pure strength just as Hulks boosters take his asteroid destruction feat out of the realm of pure strength.
Originally posted by fangirl101
LMAO at this RIDICULOUS FLIGHT AIDED CRAP. So now flight gives super strength. I guess we will be seeing starfire and dawnstar towing planets.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Lobo's so inconsistent it's unbelievable. That's not to say that it's not impressive because he's still high end inconsistent, but unless Lobo has some more feats like that then it to would fall into the SvFL category. Otherwise we'd just gauge EVERYBODY off their absolute highest showings so we'd have to consider the fact that Surfer was taking shots from and giving shots to someone with the strength of a unipowered Gladiator(who's highest showing are right on up there).And whether he was moving or not, if Supes feat weren't planted directly on the ground he was flying and that takes it out of the realm of a feat of pure strength just as Hulks boosters take his asteroid destruction feat out of the realm of pure strength.
Originally posted by fangirl101You have a nice theory, but where's the on panel evidence to support it?
If I become stationary. And then lift something with my arms, it's an arm strength feat. Flight has nothing to do with it unless you are MOVING. Even then, I'd say that only helps with striking power. The faster you move, the more power behind the strike. Trying to say flight aided him in anyway with the spectre feat doesn't add up. He wasn't moving. It was his arms that gave out in the picture. He didn't crash to the ground holding on. ( which would indicate flight gave out)
Originally posted by darthgoober
You have a nice theory, but where's the on panel evidence to support it?
Originally posted by fangirl101
In the Pic, you'll notice that it's green lantern's energy that is providing them with the support. But it's thier arms that are flexing. The green bubbles keep them stationary while the arm's hold up the spetre. And he gives as much credit to them by talking about thier might.
