Superman vs Silver surfer

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Yawn, sure sure...for 2 superior beings they cant even land a airplan. Anyhow I know Supes was sun dipped, but Thor has a "stipulatio"when he carried that snake since he was wearing the belt.

Gladiator has lifted a 35 storey building by himself before, and can 'collapse stars with his bare hands.' The reason they had trouble landing the plane is they didn't want to crush everyone inside of it, because Marvel no longer uses tactile kinesis like DC does. Stop low-balling feats or I'll report you for it yet again.

The Belt of Strength amps Thor's strength times 2. Which is why I said cut that 13.2 x10^24 lbs. in half.

Originally posted by Allankles
Midgard is the world (yes) but the Midgard Serpent translates to the Earth Serpent. It coils it's body around Midgard it is not Midgard itself.You should do your research. I'm well versed in Norse mythology, and not off of the Marvel version.

EDIT: And as such does not weigh the same as the Earth. Does the worm that coils itself around a ripe apple weigh anything close to the same as the apple? Common sense. The density of the Earth is far higher than the midgard serpent and it has a greater volume on top of that, do the math.

Volume has nothing to do with it - the Serpent was large enough to coil around the Earth. The mass of the Earth and of the Serpent is equal. But since you insist on brining real world physics into play:

The Book with Infinite Pages in it cannot possibly have infinite pages in it because it's volume is too small to contain such a thing. In fact, it doesn't look any larger than War and Peace. And it's a book, which means the pages are paper. Thus, it weighs at most 5 lbs. And it took 2 people to lift it, LOL! Wow, Supes is weak.

When he helped lift Spectre, Spectre's body couldn't possibly lift Eternity - as Eternity is not set and is always in motion. And the dimensions of the Spectre's body are not large enough to contain such mass. And Supes still needed GL and Wonder Woman to help him, how weak!

About Lobo lifting a box containing the weight of the universe - that's completely false, too. As shown, the Earth alone weighs 13.2 x10^24 lbs. The sun weighs over 27 times that amount. That's just two objects in our solar system. Our galaxy has over 94.6 billion stars in it. And there are billions of galaxies. Mass that extreme would collapse upon itself, forming a black hole and singularity. Lobo couldn't have lifted a box containing the weight of the universe, then.

See, I can play this game all day. Deal with the feats as presented or face the same double standard.

Originally posted by Allankles
Supes has been stated to be able to lift the equivalent of the Earth's weight with no set limit. All Star Supes was lifting at least over 3 times the same weight with one hand, it wasn't even phasing him.

Wrong. AS Supes lifted 200 quintillion tons with one hand, meaning he could lift 400 quintillion tons with both. That is still less than the weight of the Earth, which weighs nearly 6.4 septillion tons. Furthermore, that was after a sundip. Stop slanting the facts. Seriously.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Thanks Jun. you're one of the few Supes fanboys( 😛 ) that's still dependable 😎 .

AROUND the same time period sure... but it's after his powers were substantially increased(just look at the three pages prior to the one you posted)...

So no, your scan in no way contradicts or downplays the evidence I posted in where Supes explains that there's something other than strength at work when he lifts something while flying. Thus the Spectre thing(or anything similar to it) is NOT a feat of pure strength for Supes and can be compared with the Hulk's strength feats. If you're going to claim that he's physically stronger than Hulk or Thor(or ANYONE for that matter) you're going to have to stick with feats were he's not flying.

Not to mention the fact that he was flying in space at the time which throws plenty of ambiguity on the feat you posted anyway.

Originally posted by Allankles
Midgard is the world (yes) but the Midgard Serpent translates to the Earth Serpent. It coils it's body around Midgard it is not Midgard itself.You should do your research. I'm well versed in Norse mythology, and not off of the Marvel version.

EDIT: And as such does not weigh the same as the Earth. Does the worm that coils itself around a ripe apple weigh anything close to the same as the apple? Common sense. The density of the Earth is far higher than the midgard serpent and it has a greater volume on top of that, do the math.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Gladiator has lifted a 35 storey building by himself before, and can 'collapse stars with his bare hands.' The reason they had trouble landing the plane is they didn't want to crush everyone inside of it, because Marvel no longer uses tactile kinesis like DC does. Stop low-balling feats or I'll report you for it yet again.

The Belt of Strength amps Thor's strength times 2. Which is why I said cut that 13.2 x10^24 lbs. in half.

Volume has nothing to do with it - the Serpent was large enough to coil around the Earth. The mass of the Earth and of the Serpent is equal. But since you insist on brining real world physics into play:

The Book with Infinite Pages in it cannot possibly have infinite pages in it because it's volume is too small to contain such a thing. In fact, it doesn't look any larger than War and Peace. And it's a book, which means the pages are paper. Thus, it weighs at most 5 lbs. And it took 2 people to lift it, LOL! Wow, Supes is weak.

When he helped lift Spectre, Spectre's body couldn't possibly lift Eternity - as Eternity is not set and is always in motion. And the dimensions of the Spectre's body are not large enough to contain such mass. And Supes still needed GL and Wonder Woman to help him, how weak!

About Lobo lifting a box containing the weight of the universe - that's completely false, too. As shown, the Earth alone weighs 13.2 x10^24 lbs. The sun weighs over 27 times that amount. That's just two objects in our solar system. Our galaxy has over 94.6 billion stars in it. And there are billions of galaxies. Mass that extreme would collapse upon itself, forming a black hole and singularity. Lobo couldn't have lifted a box containing the weight of the universe, then.

See, I can play this game all day. Deal with the feats as presented or face the same double standard.

Wrong. AS Supes lifted 200 quintillion tons with one hand, meaning he could lift 400 quintillion tons with both. That is still less than the weight of the Earth, which weighs nearly 6.4 septillion tons. Furthermore, that was after a sundip. Stop slanting the facts. Seriously. [/B]

Originally posted by darthgoober
Thanks Jun. you're one of the few Supes fanboys( 😛 ) that's still dependable 😎 .

AROUND the same time period sure... but it's after his powers were substantially increased(just look at the three pages prior to the one you posted)...

So no, your scan in no way contradicts or downplays the evidence I posted in where Supes explains that there's something other than strength at work when he lifts something while flying. Thus the Spectre thing(or anything similar to it) is NOT a feat of pure strength for Supes and can be compared with the Hulk's strength feats. If you're going to claim that he's physically stronger than Hulk or Thor(or ANYONE for that matter) you're going to have to stick with feats were he's not flying.

Not to mention the fact that he was flying in space at the time which throws plenty of ambiguity on the feat you posted anyway.

So supes WAS amped for that feat. I suspected it all along from his statements.

Originally posted by fangirl101
are you effing kidding me? you are saying how much the book weighs based upon what it looks like? that is one of the dummest statements ever to come off kmc. And there are plenty.

No dumber than Allankles real world physics about the Midgard Serpent and doing the math for its volume.

My point was, yeah, that stance is very f*cking stupid. So don't take it. I don't call into question Supes ability to lift a book with infinite pages, even though it looks no thicker than The Bible and can't possibly - applying real world physics - contain an infinite amount of pages within its volume. You all should show the same courtesy regarding Thor's feat.

Otherwise it's a double standard.

Originally posted by fangirl101
IT doesn't matter if he's flying in space. he isn't using any forward momentum. And he's not picking the ship up. He used only muscle power to throw the ship. next.

Originally posted by ultimatethor
So supes WAS amped for that feat. I suspected it all along from his statements.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Proof to support ANY of that beyond your own interpretation of the scan? And do you have anything else that you think nullifies the on panel proof stating that Supes's lifting feats while flying aren't strength feats?

Not amped in comparison to his current self(that was just after the DOS saga), but he was amped beyond what he was capable of in the scan I posted where Supes moved that spaceship through flight alone.

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Originally posted by darthgoober
Proof to support ANY of that beyond your own interpretation of the scan? And do you have anything else that you think nullifies the on panel proof stating that Supes's lifting feats while flying aren't strength feats?

Not amped in comparison to his current self(that was just after the DOS saga), but he was amped beyond what he was capable of in the scan I posted where Supes moved that spaceship through flight alone.

Originally posted by fangirl101
You said that flight supports superman's Lifting feats. he neither lifted the ship, nor did he push it with anyflight. Your case is thus rendered debunked. That old version of supers threw a moon sized ship with nothing but muscle power.

And my case ISN'T debunked because no proof has been offered that nullifies the concrete evidence that Supes's lifting feats while flying aren't feats of strength. My case isn't that Supes can't throw that ship, it's that things like his lifting the Spectre or pushing around planets while sundipped aren't actually strength feats which means that he's not out of Hulk and Thor's league in the strength department.

Originally posted by darthgoober
He flew up to it to stop it while in space thus stopping it is a flight aided feat. As for throwing it... he's in a zero gravity environment so there's not much strength necessary unless there's proof of how much thrust was overcome by the throw.

And my case ISN'T debunked because no proof has been offered that nullifies the concrete evidence that Supes's lifting feats while flying aren't feats of strength. My case isn't that Supes can't throw that ship, it's that things like his lifting the Spectre or pushing around planets while sundipped aren't actually strength feats which means that he's not out of Hulk and Thor's league in the strength department.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Your case was debunked the moment he picked up an infinite book with CM. And He's fought Ultraman on even ground and Ultraman picked itup by himself. And I don't give a damn how much zero gravity there is, inertia, mass, and movement still have play when something is moving in space. And it will continue to move at the same rate unless stopped. Superman did not flying into the ship. He caught it in his arms and then threw it. He didn't not push it with flight. He threw it with his hands. A moon sized ship. Now I could be a ***** and find out how much thrust it takes to move a regular rocket or satalite in space. And then figure it in for the size of a moon. Would that make you happy?

Originally posted by darthgoober
I have a great idea on how we can settle this... how about a Battlezone to determine who's case holds more water thay way we don't keep arguing in circles?

Originally posted by fangirl101
Argue Superman's strength with someone who cares enough. At any rate, you are using pre New Earth Superman. New earth merged the earth's into one. So unless you can find a scan showing Superman's flight assistant his strength in the new earth era, your arguing old shit anyway.

And unless we're going to throw out EVERYTHING from "Pre New Earth Superman" my scans and proof are just as valid as any.

Originally posted by darthgoober
You obviously care enough because you've been doing it in spite of on panel proof that runs contrary to your opinion. Come on what's wrong? Afraid to let other judge who's stance is more reasonable?

And unless we're going to throw out EVERYTHING from "Pre New Earth Superman" my scans and proof are just as valid as any.

Your scans aren't proof of anything. I dont' even know what era your scan came from. If it's byrne era, then there's already a problem. As it stands, Superman has defeated a guy who picked up the infinty book on his own. Held the infinity book with another. Held the spectre's conciousness with another. I dont' care if you say it's flight assisted or not. infinity, is still infinity. And the book feat has No flight at all. I know you just hate that.
He was also hitting source amped infinity man hard enough to cause him to bfr him. you know the guy who killed all the new gods including the black racer.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Your scans aren't proof of anything. I dont' even know what era your scan came from. If it's byrne era, then there's already a problem. As it stands, Superman has defeated a guy who picked up the infinty book on his own. Held the infinity book with another. Held the spectre's conciousness with another. I dont' care if you say it's flight assisted or not. infinity, is still infinity. And the book feat has No flight at all. I know you just hate that.
He was also hitting source amped infinity man hard enough to cause him to bfr him. you know the guy who killed all the new gods including the black racer.

Gog from the jsa ran him off.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Your scans aren't proof of anything. I dont' even know what era your scan came from. If it's byrne era, then there's already a problem. As it stands, Superman has defeated a guy who picked up the infinty book on his own. Held the infinity book with another. Held the spectre's conciousness with another. I dont' care if you say it's flight assisted or not. infinity, is still infinity. And the book feat has No flight at all. I know you just hate that.
He was also hitting source amped infinity man hard enough to cause him to bfr him. you know the guy who killed all the new gods including the black racer.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Glads could hurt the Iman as well because anyone with planet destroying blows could do him damage. Hulk could damage him as well if he kept hitting him.

Gog from the jsa ran him off.

Originally posted by fangirl101
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